Welcome!


This is a membership forum. As a guest, you can click around a bit. View 3 pages for free. If you would like to participate, please join.

[ Lost Username or Password | Pitmaster Club Information, | Join 30 Days Free | Contact Us ]

There are 2 page views remaining.

Announcement

Collapse

Meat-Up in Memphis 2021

Join us in Memphis for our Meat-Up! Space is limited to 400, secure your spot by booking early!
Click here for details. (https://amazingribs.com/memphis)
See more
See less

How to make sourdough bread...

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Breadhead
    Banned Former Member
    • Jul 2014
    • 0

    My response to your post at #157.2 ...

    Fine Swine ... Creating the dough like their's is not that difficult. The dough is fairly low hydration, that gives you a dense mouth feel like their's, compared to most other cinnamon rolls, which are too soft in my opinion.

    Once you've figured the dough out... The thing that makes them extraordinary is that to die for icing. They use some very exotic cinnamon and trying to duplicate that icing is not easy.šŸ˜

    Comment

    • Huskee
      Pit Boss
      • May 2014
      • 14899
      • central MI, USA
      • Follow me on Instagram, huskeesbarbecue

        Want a free bottle of whiskey? Check out my link to Flaviar.com, you join with it, we both get a $50 bottle free.

        Smokers / Grills
        • Yoder loaded Wichita offset smoker
        • PBC
        • Grilla Silverbac pellet grill
        • Slow 'N Sear Deluxe Kamado (SnSK)
        • Dyna-Glo XL Premium dual chamber charcoal grill
        • Weber 22" Original Kettle Premium (copper)
        • Weber 26" Original Kettle Premium (black)
        • Weber Jumbo Joe Gold (18.5")
        • Weber Smokey Joe Silver (14.5")
        • Brinkmann cabinet charcoal smoker (repurposed)

        Thermometers
        • (3) Maverick XR-50: 4-probe Wireless Thermometers
        • (7) Maverick ET-732s
        • (1) Maverick ET-735 Bluetooth (in box)
        • (1) Smoke by ThermoWorks
        • (1) Signals by ThermoWorks
        • Thermapen MkII, orange
        • ThermoPop, yellow
        • ThermoWorks ChefAlarm
        • Morpilot 6-probe wireless
        • ThermoWorks Infrared IRK2
        • ThermoWorks fridge & freezer therms as well

        Accessories
        • Instant Pot 6qt
        • Anova Bluetooth SV
        • Kitchen Aide mixer & meat grinder attachment
        • Kindling Cracker King (XL)
        • BBQ Dragon
        • Weber full & half chimneys, Char-Broil Half Time chimney
        • Weber grill topper
        • Slow 'N Sear Original, XL, and SnS Charcoal Basket (for Jumbo Joe)
        • Drip 'N Griddle Pan, 22' Easy Spin Grate, and Elevated Cooking grate, by ABCbarbecue
        • Pittsburgh Digital Moisture Meter

        Beverages
        • Favorite summer beer: Leinenkugels Summer & Grapefruit Shandy, Hamm's, Michelob Ultra Pure Gold
        • Fav other beer: DAB, Sam Adams regular, Third Shift amber or Coors Batch 19, Stella Artois
        • Fav cheap beers: Pabst, High Life, Hamm's & Stroh's
        • Most favorite beer: The one in your fridge
        • Wine: Red- big, bold, tannic & peppery- Petite Sirah, Zinfandel, Cabernet Sauv, Sangiovese, Syrah, etc
        • Whiskey: Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, E.H. Taylor, Blanton's, Old Forester 1870, Elijah Craig, Basil Hayden's. Neat please.
        • Scotch: Current favorite- The Arran (anything by them), Glenmorangie 12yr Lasanta, sherry cask finished. The Balvenie Double Wood, also like Oban 18yr, and The Glenlivet Nadurra (Oloroso sherry cask finished) among others. Neat please.

        About me
        Real name: Aaron
        Location: Farwell, Michigan- near Clare. (dead center of lower peninsula)

        Occupation:
        • Healthcare- Licensed & Registered Respiratory Therapist (RRT) for MidMichigan Health, a University of Michigan Health System.

      Speaking of Steve Vojtek ... where ya been buddy? Haven't heard from you in nearly a year.

      Comment


      • Breadhead
        Breadhead commented
        Editing a comment
        Hmmm... I sent him a person message about a month ago and didn't hear back from him. I hope he is just busy and nothing bad has happened.šŸ¤”

      • Huskee
        Huskee commented
        Editing a comment
        Thanks Breadhead, I hope the same
    • Breadhead
      Banned Former Member
      • Jul 2014
      • 0

      Huskee ... He might have attracted MBMBS after learning to make sourdough bread.šŸ¤”

      That happened to me, Really.

      I was on AR all the time. Then I got MBMBS and spent much, much more time on StellaCulinary.com studying bread science and honing my bread baking skills. Once I tamed that beast I drifted back to BBQ and joined the Pit.

      "Must Bake More Bread Syndrome" hit me much harder than MCS did. I still have both but now a days MCS seems to be the dominant syndrome. I vacillate back and forth but fortunately they are complimentary afflictionšŸ˜† You can do both at the same time I discovered.šŸ˜Ž

      Comment

      • Thunder77
        Founding Member
        • Jul 2014
        • 2742
        • Halethorpe, MD
        • Weber 26.75" Kettle with SnS. Broil King Baron 5 burner. Akorn Kamado, and Akorn Jr kamado. Primo Oval Junior. Love grilling steaks, ribs, and chicken. Need to master smoked salmon Favorite cool weather beer: Sam Adams Octoberfest Favorite warm weather beer: Yuengling Traditional Lager All-time favorite drink: Single Malt Scotch

        And if you time it correctly, you get to have some awesome bread with your barbecue!

        Comment


        • Breadhead
          Breadhead commented
          Editing a comment
          That's the plan Stan...šŸ‘
      • chudzikb
        Charter Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 184

        Bringing this back up as Sir Breadhead requested I put up a pic when I do a loaf on the grill. I use the grill to do bread in the summer, as my house is hot enough without any help from the oven. I use my Genesis Weber with the 3 burners and sear burner to provide a nice hot environment. Heat up the grill with my dutch oven inside, on top of a pizza stone. Experience has taught me that without the pizza stone the bottom of the bread will burn, and that's just no good. 500 degrees for the first 20 min with the lid on the dutch oven. Then about 15 with the lid off dropping to 450 degrees. I use a maverick remote to monitor the temps in the grill. The dial thermometer on the grill is effectively useless, as most of you know already.

        Comment

        • Michael Brinton
          Club Member
          • May 2016
          • 267

          Fantastic thread. I've been listing to chef Jacob's stella bread podcasts. Just mixed up my sour dough starter. Its good to know such great advise is so easily found. I'll post my progress.

          Comment


          • chudzikb
            chudzikb commented
            Editing a comment
            You will not regret learning how to make this stuff. Any bread fan will become your best friend, quickly!

          • Breadhead
            Breadhead commented
            Editing a comment
            Breadhead's are just like BBQ Pit Masters. We all love to share the craft/art of how to do it. There's nothing more gratifying than watching newbie's pull it off! Nothing.
        • RonB
          Club Member
          • Apr 2016
          • 12554
          • Near Richmond VA
          • Weber Performer Deluxe
            SNS
            Pizza insert
            Rotisserie
            Smokenator 1000
            Cookshack Smokette Elite
            2 Thermapens
            Chefalarm
            Dot
            lots of probes.
            CyberQ

          That's a really nice looking boule chudzikb

          Comment


          • chudzikb
            chudzikb commented
            Editing a comment
            Thank you sir, owe it all to Sir Breadhead, he would be the master.
        • Breadhead
          Banned Former Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 0

          Wowser chudzikb you've really mastered sourdough bread baking. That's a beautiful loaf of sourdough bread that a Master baker would be very proud of. Your oven spring was fantastic. That tells me your final shaping was masterful. The crumb is very open and airy meaning your timing on your final proofing was well timed. Your scoring opened up nicely.

          You absolutely nailed that loaf man. And you did it on a gasser, again I say wow!

          Comment

          • Breadhead
            Banned Former Member
            • Jul 2014
            • 0

            Originally posted by Michael Brinton View Post
            Fantastic thread. I've been listing to chef Jacob's stella bread podcasts. Just mixed up my sour dough starter. Its good to know such great advise is so easily found. I'll post my progress.
            I've been following Chef Jacob at StellaCulinary.com for years. I've frequented many, many bread baking websites over the last 5 years and for a beginner that's trying to learn the craft I can say it is hands down the ABSOLUTE best website to Learn all parts of bread making. You don't just get a recipe with instruction of how to do it. You get the hardcore science of why it works or fails. Chef Jacob Burton is a masterful teacher. His videos are extremely well done and the podcasts you're listening to are extremely informative. I've listened to all of those podcasts many times over in the last few years, just as a refresher course now and then.

            I collaborated with Chef Jacob to develop the Brioche hamburger bun for Meathead 's Steakhouse Steakburger. I could not have done that without his help.

            The great thing about Stella Culinary is that as extraordinary as his bread section is, bread is only a small fraction of his content. Every single thing you want or need to know about cooking he covers it.

            AmazingRibs.com is the Worlds best outdoor cooking website. StellaCulinary.com is the worlds best indoor cooking website. IMHO

            I've combined the 2 websites over the last 3 years to up my cooking game both indoors and outdoors. It pays off and your friends and family will appreciate your efforts based on the great food you put on their plates.šŸ‘

            Please keep us up to date on your bread journey Michael Brinton . Feel free to ask me any questions you might have too.
            Last edited by Breadhead; July 12, 2016, 10:34 AM.

            Comment


            • chudzikb
              chudzikb commented
              Editing a comment
              Chef Jacob was my other source of information, he is clearly the man as well.

            • Breadhead
              Breadhead commented
              Editing a comment
              Chef Jacob Burton is my bread mentor!!! He's probably forgotten more about bread baking than you and I ever learn.šŸ˜Ž
          • chudzikb
            Charter Member
            • Dec 2014
            • 184

            And whatever happened to Steve? The original subject of this thread? He seems to have dropped off the face?

            Comment


            • Breadhead
              Breadhead commented
              Editing a comment
              Yes he has disappeared. I've sent him a few private messages over the last 6 months and have received no replies. I hope he is just to busy opening his restaurant he spoke of in this thread.
          • MBMorgan
            Club Member
            • Sep 2015
            • 6163
            • Colorado
            • > Weber Genesis EP-330
              > Grilla Grills Original Grilla (OG) pellet smoker
              > Pit Barrel Cooker (gone to a new home)
              > WeberQ 2000 (on "loan" to a relative)
              > Old Smokey Electric (for chickens mostly - when it's too nasty out
              to fiddle with a more capable cooker)
              > Luhr Jensen Little Chief Electric - Top Loader circa 1990 (smoked fish & jerky)
              > Thermoworks Smoke
              > 3 Thermoworks Chef Alarms
              > Thermoworks Thermapen
              > Thermoworks IR-GUN-S
              > Anova sous vide circulator
              > Searzall torch
              > BBQ Guru Rib Ring

              > Favorite Beer: Guinness Extra Stout, Fat Tire, Anchor Steam, or Alaskan Amber
              > Favorite Wine: Klinker Brick Old Ghost Zinfandel or Matetic Corralillo Winemaker's Blend
              > Favorite Whiskey: Balvenie Double Wood Scotch or Jameson Irish

            Well gents ... I just finished reading this awesome thread from start to finish and found myself leaning in toward the screen for the last few pages. I'm now feeling inspired to join the club but I have a couple of quick questions first:
            1. The Dutch Oven - I used to have one but it was lost in an overseas move many years ago. Faced with the purchase of a new one, I wonder if you can recommend a size that's ideal for baking.
            2. Altitude - I live at 6300 ft. here in Colorado where water boils at a mere 200F. I've started looking for information regarding the sorts of adjustments that I'm going to have to make. If you have any thoughts or perhaps knowledge of a good source of such info, I'd really appreciate it.
            Thanks!
            Mike

            Comment

            • chudzikb
              Charter Member
              • Dec 2014
              • 184

              The dutch oven, get the biggest one you can afford, I just use the one my wife had already. Whatever the large size might be should be just fine. Altitute, can't help you there, have 0.0 experience with that issue.

              Comment


              • MBMorgan
                MBMorgan commented
                Editing a comment
                Thanks!
            • Breadhead
              Banned Former Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 0

              Welcome to our bread baking club Mbmorgan ... I'm pleased you found this thread interesting. I've tried to compile enough valid information to help first time bread makers speed through the normal learning curve. As others have mentioned there is an overwhelming amount of information on the Internet of how to bake sourdough bread and much of it is conflicting. It's very hard for an inexperienced person to decide which method will work best.

              To help Steve I put together a process, step by step, that I knew would work based on my own experience having waded through all of the mumbo jumbo for years. Follow the plan I laid out for Steve and I'm sure you will make a very nice loaf of sourdough bread soon.šŸ‘

              You will need a 7 quart Dutch Oven for this project.

              I'm glad you mentioned your high altitude situation... It does affect all of your cooking, not just bread making. Here is everything you need to know about high altitude cooking. Taught by a Master.
              https://stellaculinary.com/cooking-v...ce-tips-tricks

              Comment


              • MBMorgan
                MBMorgan commented
                Editing a comment
                Thank you! I need to do a bit of studying and thinking before pulling the trigger (sorry, it's the scientist in me ) ... but pull the trigger I will!
            • Breadhead
              Banned Former Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 0

              Mbmorgan ...

              You are wise grasshopper to study first.šŸ‘Œ On the high altitude video above, watch the first one and then scroll down that page and watch the other videos too.

              While you are creating your sourdough starter, which will take about 2 weeks, study everything in this thread. Before you make your first batch of dough I would watch the video of Chef Jacob making his loaf of bread enough times that the process is embedded in your brain. Pay very close attention to his techniques, how he handles the dough.

              In bread baking recipes are a dime a dozen and with sourdough none of them vary very much at all. The only difference between really famous sourdough bread makers and the average bread maker is technique, technique and technique. How and when they touch the dough.

              I'm excited to see you start your sourdough bread journey my friend.šŸ˜‰ But... I must warn you before you make your very first loaf you are more than likely to become afflicted with MBMBS. Steve, chudzikb and I all have Must Bake More Bread Syndrome. We all have MCS too.šŸ˜†

              Baking bread will give you a very interesting project to work on during your long low and slow smokers cooks too.šŸ‘
              Last edited by Breadhead; July 13, 2016, 12:43 PM.

              Comment


              • MBMorgan
                MBMorgan commented
                Editing a comment
                Well, Jeff Bezos should send you a thank you card soon. I just made him a little richer by ordering a Lodge 7-qt dutch oven. Now on to the starter ... (I said I'd think about it ... but I didn't say "slowly" ). Thanks again!

                Mike

              • Breadhead
                Breadhead commented
                Editing a comment
                LOL... Jeff Bezos is way to busy counting his money than to know ANYTHING about me other than my credit card number.šŸ˜† Have fun Mike.šŸ‘
            • chudzikb
              Charter Member
              • Dec 2014
              • 184

              MbMorgan, Nike has a saying that you need to embrace, JUST DO IT! You will learn more through doing and adapting your technique than through endless study. There will be missteps, but, that is good, you won't do it again. The manipulation of the dough by hand comes with trial and error, you will find your way. Again, JUST DO IT! I was in the same place, studying and watching videos, starter was finally ready, and I just dove in and worked through it. If you develop questions, we will be happy to help.

              Comment


              • MBMorgan
                MBMorgan commented
                Editing a comment
                I figure I've got a couple of weeks to study once the starter is put together in a day or two. The new Dutch oven is on order and should arrive Friday. The DW (the real baker in the family) is excited to jump in and help (aka "take charge" ). Thanks for this and future help.
                Mike

              • Breadhead
                Breadhead commented
                Editing a comment
                Mike... It's great that your wife bakes too. She can help take care of your starter when you get to busy. Plus she can help you find friends a family to give your excess bread to. Real Breadhead's can't possibly eat all of the bread they make so you need to find appreciative friends to give it to.

            Announcement

            Collapse

            Meat-Up in Memphis 2021

            Join us in Memphis for our Meat-Up! Space is limited to 400, secure your spot by booking early!
            Click here for details. (https://amazingribs.com/memphis)
            See more
            See less
            Working...
            X
            Meat-Up in Memphis

            T-Shirts & More T-Shirts & More
            Order men's and women's T-Shirts, Sweatshirts, Aprons, Mugs, Caps, Tote Bags, Flasks, and more, all imprinted with the Pitmaster Club logo. There's even a spiral bound journal where you can make notes on your cooks.

            Cool Embroidered Shirt Cool Embroidered Shirt
            This beautifully embroidered shirt is the same one Meathead wears in public and on TV. It's wash and wear and doesn't need ironing (really!), but it is a soft cottonlike feel. Choice of four colors and both men's and women's.

            Click here for more info.

            Support ARC

            Many merchants pay us a small referral fee when you click our links and purchase from them. On Amazon it works on everything from grills to diapers, they never tell us what you bought, and it has zero impact on the price you pay, but has a major impact on our ability to improve this site! And remember, we only recommend products we love. If you like AmazingRibs.com, please save this link and use it every time you go to Amazon.

            https://tinyurl.com/amazingribs

            Placeholder

            Spotlight

            These are not ads or paid placements. These Are Some Of Our Favorite Tools And Toys.

            These are products we have tested, won our top awards, and are highly recommend. Click here to read how we test, about our medals, and what they mean.

            Use our links when you buy things

            Many merchants pay us a small referral fee when you click our links and purchase from them. On Amazon it works on everything from grills to diapers, they never tell us what you bought, it has zero impact on the price you pay, but has a major impact on our ability to improve this site! If you like AmazingRibs.com, please save this link and use it every time you go to Amazon

            https://tinyurl.com/amazingribs

             


            If you have a Weber Kettle, you need the Slow 'N' Sear

            Placeholder

            The Slow 'N' Sear turns your grill into a first class smoker and also creates an extremely hot sear zone you can use to create steakhouse steaks.

            Click here for our article on this breakthrough tool


            The Good-One Is A Superb Grill And A Superb Smoker All In One

            Placeholder

            The Good-One Open Range is dramatically different from a traditional offset smoker. By placing the heat source behind and under the smokebox instead of off to the side, Open Range produces even temperature from left to right, something almost impossible to achieve with a standard barrel shaped offset.

            Click here to read our complete review


            Griddle And Deep Fryer In One

            Placeholder

            The flat top does the burgers and the fryer does the fries. Use the griddle for bacon, eggs, and home fries. Or pancakes, fajitas, grilled cheese, you name it. Why stink up the house deep frying and spatter all over? Do your fried chicken and calamari outside. Blackstone's Rangetop Combo With Deep Fryer does it all!

            Click here to read our detailed review and to order


            The Pit Barrel Cooker May Be Too Easy

            Placeholder

            The PBC has a rabid cult following for good reason. It is absolutely positively without a doubt the best bargain on a smoker in the world. Period. This baby will cook circles around the cheap offset sideways barrel smokers because temperature control is so much easier.

            Click here to read our detailed review and the raves from people who own them


            The Undisputed Champion!

            Placeholder

            The Thermoworks Thermapen MK4 is considered by the pros, and our team, to be the single best instant read thermometer. The MK4 includes features that are common on high-end instruments: automatic backlight and rotating display. Don't accept cheap substitutes.

            Click here to read our comprehensive Platinum Medal review


            Grilla Pellet Smoker proves good things come in small packages

            Placeholder

            We always liked Grilla. The small 31.5" x 29.5" footprint makes it ideal for use where BBQ space is limited, as on a condo patio.

            Click here for our review on this unique smoker


            Delta by Nuke,
            Stylish and Affordable
            Gaucho Grill

            Placeholder

            Delta by Nuke burns wood or charcoal and comes with an adjustable height grill grate. This Argentinian grill will get your flame on!

            Click here to read our complete review


            Genesis II E-335 
            A Versatile Gasser That Does It All!

            Placeholder

            Weber’s Genesis line has long been one of the most popular choices for gas grillers. The new Genesis II E-335 offers solid performance, a sear burner for sizzling heat and an excellent warranty.

            Click here to read our complete review


            GrillGrates Take Gas Grills To The Infrared Zone

            Placeholder

            GrillGrates(TM) amplify heat, prevent flareups, make flipping foods easier, kill hotspots, flip over to make a fine griddle, and can be easily rmoved from one grill to another. You can even throw wood chips, pellets, or sawdust between the rails and deliver a quick burst of smoke.

            Click here for more about what makes these grates so special


            Is This Superb Charcoal Grill A Kamado Killer?

            Placeholder

            The PK-360, with 360 square inches of cooking space, this rust free, cast aluminum charcoal grill is durable and easy to use. Four-way venting means it's easy to set up for two zone cooking with more control than single vent Kamado grills. It is beautifully designed, completely portable, and much easier to set up for 2-zone cooking than any round kamado.

            Click here to read our detailed review of the PK 360

            Click here to order directly and get an exclusive AmazingRibs.com deal


            Our Favorite Backyard Smoker

            Placeholder

            The amazing Karubecue is the most innovative smoker in the world. The quality of meat from this machine is astonishing. At its crux is a patented firebox that burns logs above the cooking chamber and sucks heat and extremely clean blue smoke into the thermostat controlled oven. It is our favorite smoker, period.

            Click here for our review of this superb smoker


            Masterbuilt MPS 340/G ThermoTemp XL Propane Smoker

            Placeholder

            This is the first propane smoker with a thermostat, making this baby foolproof. Set ThermoTemp's dial from 175° to 350°F and the thermostat inside will adjust the burner just like an indoor kitchen oven. All you need to do is add wood to the tray above the burner to start smokin'.

            Click here to read our detailed review


            Digital Thermometers Are Your Most Valuable Tool And Here's A Great Buy!

            Placeholder

            A good digital thermometer keeps you from serving dry overcooked food or dangerously undercooked food. They are much faster and much more accurate than dial thermometers. YOU NEED ONE!

            Click here to read our complete review


            Track Up To Six Temperatures At Once

            Placeholder

            FireBoard Drive 2 is an updated version of a well-received product that sets the standard for performance and functionality in the wireless food thermometer/thermostatic controller class.

            Click here for our review of this unique device


            The Cool Kettle With The Hinged Hood We Always Wanted

            Placeholder

            Napoleon's NK22CK-C Charcoal Kettle Grill puts a few spins on the familiar kettle design. In fact, the hinged lid with a handle on the front, spins in a rotary motion 180 degrees. It's hard to beat a Weber kettle, but Napoleon holds its own and adds some unique features to make the NK22CK-C a viable alternative.

            Click here for more about what makes this grill special


            Finally, A Great Portable Pellet Smoker

            Placeholder

            Green Mountain's portable Davy Crockett Pellet Smoker is one mean tailgating and picnic machine. But it's also gaining popularity with people who want to add a small, set it and forget it pellet smoker to their backyard arsenal. And with their WiFi capabilities you can control and monitor Davy Crocket from your smart phone or laptop.

            Click here to read our detailed review and to order