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    #46
    2:00

    4th stretch and coil

    You will notice now, that the dough is starting to get tighter again, and that gluten is building more. So it may not stretch out as much, really strong gluten here, this might be where I ha toss it a bit.

    generally I would do one more of these series at 3:00, but my gluten was so tight already, I did one last stretch and roll, and it is in the cambro to bulk ferment now. Winter here and house is cold, so I will put it in the oven with the light on.

    from here. I will let it bulk ferment until about 8 or 9 pm, based on how fast it continues to build.

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    Last edited by Richard Chrz; February 21, 2022, 02:57 PM.

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    • hoovarmin
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      It's difficult to judge this timing without a standard to compare with that I've seen and touched. I really don't know how to judge when the gluten is where I would desire it.

    • Richard Chrz
      Richard Chrz commented
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      hoovarmin, the reason I do the stretch and then the coil folds, is that the process shows you your gluten development as each coil fold passes. We can chat sometime while I do coil folds, typically Tuesdays are my make days now. But could try to have a make in progress to chat about while I’m doing it. Let me know. Anyway I can help. I can try to see if my wife can video as well. But, just let me know either or anyway that I can help.
      Last edited by Richard Chrz; May 6, 2024, 06:25 PM. Reason: Typo’s

    • hoovarmin
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      Richard Chrz I can think of no better way to spend time than hanging out learning from you!

    #47
    So, this one has gained the increase in bulk that I like, sometimes I take it further by another 1/4.

    duted hand remove from bin onto a floured work surface, and just lightly fluff it up and get it relaxed from being in a container. Then cut weigh, double roll and let them rest covered for about 30 minutes, maybe 15 minutes, if really relaxed early enough. it’s all by feel of the dough, just bbbq and probe tender,

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      #48
      shaping, and proofing

      8:46 pm

      Hopefully the shaping video loads.. nope it did not, will have to figure that out. Darn it, but it it’s kind of how you see an envelope. I start with a bit of a square, I fold it 2/3rds of the distance across (towards me), then I fold in each side to the middle, and pull the front flap over the top and roll it that seam to the board in one motion. (I will get photos)

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        #49
        I will now cover them with a cloth towel again, and let them relax and start filling the banneton a bit more before I put it to the fridge at night. I like this to be at-least an hour, have settled for 30 minutes. For my timelines, an hour is long enough. You will see the photos of these in the morning as well so you can see over night in fridge. Temp matters greatly In how much more it builds in size. I tend to refrigerate colder then most, but, that is also likely just a winter thing, as I use my garage refrigerator right now, as my house is filled with the pizza doughs,.


        this is called proofing, but what you are doing is, proving, proving it is still capable of being a good bake.

        did not take photo

        but, roughly 10 or 11, it is in fridge.

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          #50
          Next morning, I fill my half sheet pan with water, and start oven to 475, let it come to temp, and give it another 20 minutes just to get the steam in the oven fired up.

          I took them out one at a time, right as I am going to bake.

          the score here is deeper then I actually score, but, it was hard to take a photo of the blade depth in the dough.

          what I have learned about scoring, is, you want to be a good angle back under the dough maybe 45-60 Degree, the deeper you cut, the more your dough will drop before the rise, colder dough hardly relaxes at all if cut shallow enough, and right away.

          the score does not necessarily dictate ear, fermentation, oven spring, etc.. the dough rising and folding out at the score, is what pushes the the ear out and over, it is not something that just happens because you cut. It is a oven rise (in my early experience) that really builds the ear. The many ways you can score, can control the oven rise, and the direct of the oven rise.

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          • Richard Chrz
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            I score a bit differently, more of an angle now my finger width away from the dough, so my index finger is essentially moving along on the dough.

          • hoovarmin
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            Richard Chrz When you score are you using a lame to curve the blade, or just holding the razor and using a straight blade?

          #51
          So my steps in baking go like this, at least from watching 100’s of loaves bake for every minute, watching changes to techniques along the way, so far.

          10 minutes I will see my score pulling back, prior to that it is just the loaf relaxing to the early heat, but, in my set up, around 7-8 minutes it starts to rise up again, and if your oven rise is strong, this is where I will see my score o-en back up and across the entire, loaf. At the 10 minute mark, I now spin my loaf in the oven to make sure my scoring is opening, and a strong gluten strand hasn’t kept my hinge sides from opening.occasionally I may even use my blade again and nip those tough cords.

          15 minutes in you will see the entire ear, and from there it will continue to build and grow for the next 20 minutes or so, as the oven rises continues. Since my oven is cheap and has horrible hot spots, I spin my bread one last time here, and for the last 15 - 20 minutes is where I I know my final internal temp will be there, so I don’t have to check it, and I’ve gained the color and crust I want, you can alter this to your preferred coloring. I tend to be a fan of Maillard reaction.
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            #52
            The bounty

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              #53
              Jeez Richard! Those are beautiful. My idea is you just open a limited online bread store. I for one would pay whatever plus outrageous shipping charges for one of those. Or just show up in your driveway. Before you say come on, be careful. I may find a way to get the bus on your house electric, then you will have to have the sherif evict me

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                #54
                @Richard Chrz this is an incredible thread you have started. I am not certain if you should be considered an artist, craftsman, baker, scientist, archivist, teacher or photographer. I can't imagine the time and dedication to this craft you have put in to elevate yourself to this point. Thank you so much.

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                • Richard Chrz
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                  Debra Kind of you to say. I’d like to think I am a hobbyist baker. I don’t quite understand all the science, but, I kind of understand the levers and buttons. It’s been a fun side path along bbq and outdoor cooking so far, as has learning photography skills also along the way, they all kind of happened together.
                  Last edited by Richard Chrz; February 21, 2022, 04:15 PM.

                #55
                Pizza has been cut and back in for another 24-48hours,
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                  #56
                  This mornings bakes.

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                    #57
                    If you're not one of the greats, Richard Chrz , then I would fall into a depression if I saw their work. Just sayin'.

                    Thank you for this thread!

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                      #58
                      72 hours in.


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                        #59
                        Richard, anyone ever ask you for gluten free bread? Man….if you ever figured this out….I’d be in trouble!

                        beautiful bakes on all of it! Bravo to you!

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                        • SheilaAnn
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                          I used to run shared kitchen spaces and we had a dedicated gluten free kitchen. We even had our own hood system. Depending on how severe the celiac is, maybe Richard Chrz can’t do a gluten free product? Not judging, just want to put it out there. My late nephew had all kinds of issues on top of autism. I had to warn his father that I am not a GF house or free of the big 7 allergens. I think it’s 8-9 now, though.

                        • barelfly
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                          SheilaAnn - my wife has been GF for years now, but she never has confirmed if it’s CD. She didn’t want to put herself through the test. She knows gluten makes her sick as a dog. About 5 years ago I think, I made the decision to go GF and I feel so much better by doing so. Amazing how much of a difference it makes. But, my kiddos eat regularly, we haven’t done the drastic measures I’ve heard about, like washing separately, separating food in pantry, etc. but when restaurants go above and beyond

                        • barelfly
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                          Continued - it is appreciated for my wife. And me. You know they care when they can work the menu for you. Some places….just haven’t taken the time to educate themselves and we usually don’t go back. But that’s not often.

                          As for making GF bread. I’ve baked a number of times. it’s easier just to buy. We have found some nice brands. I could never get the loaves to come out right….but probably a good thing. I use to bake often prior and seeing all this makes me want to do that again

                        #60
                        Started a few new experimental paths for pizza today. Stay tuned!

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