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  • Schwyy
    Club Member
    • Nov 2019
    • 100
    • Andover, MA

    Smoke Ring Size

    Question trying to figure out a new cooker, a camp chef woodwind wifi.

    I did beef ribs for the first time ever, and adjusted my smoke setting to pretty conservative for this cook as to not oversmoke on my first go around. I did half the cook at 4/10 smoke level and then the other half of the cook at 1/10 which keeps the temperature much tighter. These are all smoke settings that are available on the camp chef.

    Does the smoke ring look like it was well smoked or undersmoked? This is my first smoke ring (you never forget your first....) and am just trying to figure out how much depth other people are going for on the smoke ring/general smoke level. I have young kids, so I'll probably always be on the less smoke side for the time being, but also want to pick your brains for smoking experience to guide me into the depths of more smoke!
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  • Mr. Bones
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    #2
    Most important thang is, did it taste really good?
    Fwiw yer smoke ring an food look jus Great, amigo!!!
    But a smoke ring is jus a bonus; cook to delicious, then see if ya got one, or not...
    It'll vary, day to day, wx condits, each piece of protein ya cook, lunar phases, etc....
    Last edited by Mr. Bones; March 30, 2020, 07:07 AM.

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    • Blues1
      Blues1 commented
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      Agree with Mr Bones. Cook to temp and taste and consider a nice smoke ring a bonus. You certainly got a very nice ring on this one!
      Last edited by Blues1; March 30, 2020, 07:15 AM.
  • Mr. Bones
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      Weber Smokey Joe ($25 CL) 'Lil' Brother'
      Weber 22.5 Master Touch '93 P Code Blue($85) from fellow WKC member Bmitch 'Elwood'
      Weber 22.5 Bar-B-Q Kettle '69-'70 "Patent Pending" Red ($80) from fellow WKC member dwnthehatch 'Maureen'
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      Bear Paws
      Meat Rakes
      BBQ Dragon/Chimley of Insanity, Dragon Wing Shelves (x2 ea.)



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      Probably a ton of cast iron, mostly very old...still cookin'
      G'Ma's Piqua skillet, :-)( They went out of business in 1934~)
      '60's Revere Ware (Mom's), + others found elsewhere
      60's CorningWare 10-cup percolator (Mom's) Daily driver
      50's CorningWare 10-cup percolator (G'Ma's), for a backup! ;-)
      Carpy Wally World stock pots, in approx 2 gal/3gal sizes, blue speckledty-porcelain enameled
      Tramontina 6.5 qt Dutch Oven

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      Shi*-ton of kitchen/chef knives, most sharper than my straight-razors are. (Better steel!) Chicago Cutlery, Old Hickory, various, including some nice German stuff ;-)
      Dexter 12" slicing knife, 6" Sani-Safe boning knife
      Smith's Tri-Hone Natural Arkansas Knife Sharpening System
      Multiple steels, from all over the planet
      Crock sticks
      Diamond stones, various
      Lansky Sharpening System

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      Daily driver:Washington Forge Mardi Gras, Navy / Cobalt Blue
      Dinner: Guests: Washington Forge, Town and Country
      Fancy / Formal: Family silverware

    #3
    There's these really smart guys, talks extensively bout th smoke ring thang: Best place to start
    https://amazingribs.com/more-techniq...moke-necessary
    Last edited by Mr. Bones; March 30, 2020, 08:47 AM.

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    • RonB
      Club Member
      • Apr 2016
      • 12680
      • Near Richmond VA
      • Weber Performer Deluxe
        SNS
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        Smokenator 1000
        Cookshack Smokette Elite
        2 Thermapens
        Chefalarm
        Dot
        lots of probes.
        CyberQ

      #4
      They look great to me.

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      • Schwyy
        Club Member
        • Nov 2019
        • 100
        • Andover, MA

        #5
        Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm definitely going to try to play with the settings to see where more smoke takes me.

        Mr. Bones, it's also an honor for you to comment on my post, as I'll never forget when I first joined the pitmaster club, you had not posted for maybe a couple of weeks and the club thought you had to be dead. That's when I knew this guy must be legit!

        Thanks again everyone.

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        • Troutman
          Troutman commented
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          Mr. Bones -Ahh yes must be my onset dementia, how could I forget that infamous tale of woe -Can of Corn 🌽

        • Mr. Bones
          Mr. Bones commented
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          Troutman No worries, my friend!
          I can safely assure ya that I will never fergit it, though!

        • texastweeter
          texastweeter commented
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          Spam hurts too...
      • Huskee
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        #6
        You can get a good smoke ring without over-saturating the smoke flavor. The smoke ring is visual only, NOT a representation of the smoke flavor it will have. The smoke ring happens early on, the over-smoked flavor happens later on.

        A couple tips to try to make it deeper: 1) start with REALLY cold meat, stick it in freezer half hour before cooking or at least right out of the cold fridge, and 2) start with a lower cooker temp the first hour or so.

        Here's the cliff notes of what happens: The heat turns the meat grey, the combustion gases lock in the pink color (smoke ring). The two are essentially racing each other into the meat at the same time. The gases win for a time as the cold meat warms, but eventually the heat overtakes it and turns the meat grey. The point at which the heats wins out is where the smoke ring ends. If you do certain things to give the gases the advantage over the heat, you can deepen it some.

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        • ecowper
          ecowper commented
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          Troutman no, but I love a smoky old fashioned

        • Troutman
          Troutman commented
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          ecowper - Ohhh, that sounds divine

        • ecowper
          ecowper commented
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          Troutman 2 different ways to do it .... 1. Substitute 1 oz of Laphroaig 10 (or similar Islay scotch) for 1 oz of bourbon in your Old Fashioned. 2. Get a smoke gun thingie and use it when you make the Old Fashioned. I don’t have one yet, but a bar I like does that
      • ecowper
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        #7
        Schwyy those ribs look fantastic. Inspired me to call the butcher and get a couple plates :-) .... what everybody said ... the smoke ring is a visual thing. That said, taste, smell, sight, touch are all critical elements of the food experience. So, remember that the smoke ring won't change the taste of the meat but it will absolutely be part of the food experience

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        • Dewesq55
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          #8
          Smoke ring size matters even less than that other size that doesn't matter . Don't worry about it. It's all about taste, and smoke ring has exactly zero to do with taste.

          David

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          • Huskee
            Huskee commented
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            Bellies?
        • HawkerXP
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          #9
          Looks great!

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          • RickyBobby
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            • Jul 2016
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            • Kingwood, Texas

            #10
            Smoke ring or no, those certainly look like they were winners! Nice cook!!

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              #11
              Pretty sure you can get a smoke ring with propane and no wood chips or chunks even, it’s based on combustion gases and not necessarily wood smoke.

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              • Dewesq55
                Dewesq55 commented
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                And you can't get one with an electric smoker no matter what you do.
            • texastweeter
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              #12
              It's not the size of your smoke ring that matters...

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              • texastweeter
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                it's the amount of pepper in yer rub!

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