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So is a Taco a Sandwich?

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    So is a Taco a Sandwich?

    Well if you want to draw the ire of any of our friends in Mexico, just pose this question to them, is their beloved taco a sandwich?

    So before we take a poll and before there's a 2.567 hour debate over the subject, let's dive into a little history of both, that may tell the tale.

    The older of the two is probably the sandwich, although that's debatable. Most have heard that its attributed to the Earl of Sandwich in 1782, a fellow by the name of John Montagu, who asked for something he could eat without having to get up from his card game. A servant brought him a bit of cold meat between two pieces of bread, and voila — the word “sandwich” was born!​

    But there's really a little more to it. The sandwich has morphed into a myriad of different types and styles. From our friends at Wikipedia;

    "In the 21st century there has been considerable debate over the precise definition of sandwich, and specifically whether a hot dog or open sandwich can be categorized as such. In the United States, the Department of Agriculture and the Food and Drug Administration are the responsible agencies. The USDA uses the definition, "at least 35% cooked meat and no more than 50% bread" for closed sandwiches, and "at least 50% cooked meat" for open sandwiches. However, the same USDA manual determines the burritos and fajitas are "sandwich-like", and frankfurters are "sandwich type". Stromboli is explicitly excluded from being a sandwich. In Britain, the British Sandwich Association defines a sandwich as "any form of bread with a filling, generally assembled cold", a definition which includes wraps and bagels, but excludes dishes assembled and served hot, such as burgers."
    So...does the taco fit the definition of a sandwich?

    As to our friend the taco. It's largely attributed to some 18th century silver minors in Mexico who made up little shaped charges they called taquitos. But again from Wikipedia;


    "There is significant debate about the origins of the taco in Mexico, with some arguing that the taco predates the arrival of the Spanish in Mexico, since there is anthropological evidence that the indigenous people living in the lake region of the Valley of Mexico traditionally ate tacos filled with small fish. Writing at the time of the Spanish conquistadors, Bernal Díaz del Castillo documented the first taco feast enjoyed by Europeans, a meal which Hernán Cortés arranged for his captains in Coyoacán. Others argue that the advent of the taco is much more recent, with one of the more popular theories being that the taco was invented by silver miners in the 18th century,​"

    So...since there seems to be a different but parallel origin of the taco versus the sandwich, obviously one does not seemed to have influenced the other. It's simply a case of having a convenient vessel with which to hold and eat any variety of foods, making the taco unique to the New World versus the sandwich to the Old. They could be classified as the same or they stand alone as different ways to accomplish the same thing.

    So...I leave the question open to debate and your opinion. Is the taco a sandwich??

    64
    Yes, it most certainly is
    20.31%
    13
    No, it's a unique form unto itself
    79.69%
    51

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    #2
    How long before barelfly provides the correct answer is what I want to know.

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    • Huskee
      Huskee commented
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      He's waking in circles, pouring more and more bourbon, contemplating, arguing with himself, yelling at the sky, about to come to a final conclusion.

    • WayneT
      WayneT commented
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      I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Can any Pit member in good standing possibly think of a scenario in which Jeremy would post “SANDWICHES!!” after he saw a pic of a taco? Case closed.

    • barelfly
      barelfly commented
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      This makes me laugh…. All three of you have me laughing as i sit here reading through this

    #3
    I mean, technically, the taco and the half sandwich (you know, one piece of bread folded in half around the filling) are the same thing ;-)

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    • WayneT
      WayneT commented
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      Oooh, Steve just brought up memories of my impoverished childhood, when we couldn’t afford to buy hot dog buns so used a piece of white bread to hold the hot dog.

    • ecowper
      ecowper commented
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      WayneT hotdogs and hamburgers both …. On the cheapest white bread my mother could find because anything else was, as she put, criminally expensive.

    • jfmorris
      jfmorris commented
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      Here here for the club of white bread as buns.... with frugal mom's shopping in the depression of the 70's...

    #4
    I voted, but I would have been more comfortable if multiple choices were allowed.

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      #5
      Well, legally, it turns out, burritos and tacos are sandwiches ..... it's funny cause I stumbled across this without actually looking for it just a couple minutes after posting my first response to Steve's poll.

      The decision exemplifies a longstanding issue in legal theory. It also highlights the absurdity of zoning rules.

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      • WayneT
        WayneT commented
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        gcdmd I love Wait, Wait, but really miss some of the old panelists like Paula Poundstone, Roy Blount Jr. and Tom Bodette. Alonzo Bodden and Mo Rocca are pretty good panelists. They make me laugh.

      • jfmorris
        jfmorris commented
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        Well, I think technically if you open a quesadilla restaurant, and always used TWO tortillas (top and bottom), you can most definitely satisfy both the Indiana and the Massachusetts courts...

      • krevere
        krevere commented
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        Indiana? What does Indiana know about tacos??

      #6
      Is a hotdog a sammich? What about a wrap? Pita pocket?

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      • CaptainMike
        CaptainMike commented
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        Naan of your business!

      #7
      No, it’s a taco. That’s why they call it a taco and not a sandwich.

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      • Spinaker
        Spinaker commented
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        Right…… a Submarine-Sandwich. Who calls it a Taco Sandwich? texastweeter

      • jfmorris
        jfmorris commented
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        Well, I think if we go by bread count, a hot dog is also a taco, right? 🧐

      • Spinaker
        Spinaker commented
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        No, otherwise they’d call it a sandwich. However, it’s more of a sandwich than a taco will ever be.
        jfmorris

      #8
      no Govment gonna tell me what a samich is!
      Taco is obviously a sideways samich!

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      • texastweeter
        texastweeter commented
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        That's right!

      • Spinaker
        Spinaker commented
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        I whole heartily agree with the first part of this.

      #9
      My opinion matters not, whose opinion does matter is Troutman himself and barelfly...

      but I says NO.

      By principle and function = yes; by so much more = no.

      A sandwich conjures up an image of a sandwich, which is bread surrounding some form of goodness to make it a handheld or single-hand meal; and a burger or a grilled cheese or a panini by association could also be considered a sandwich. But a taco, mainly being a corn shell (albeit my favorite, flour shells, are a close runner up) is most certainly not a bread item, although the innards could be considered 'sandwiched', they're more cradled, and therefore not a "sandwich".

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      • texastweeter
        texastweeter commented
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        One is flat white bread one is flat corn bread...

      • Troutman
        Troutman commented
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        Unless of course the tortilla is flour grown from wheat which is the same as unleavened bread.

      #10
      I'm firmly in Camp Nope. A taco is an artform all its own, as is a sandwich. They both need their own art galleries, not sharing one.

      The only real question is: does the intensity of the disagreement get to the range of toilet-paper orientation or, perish the thought, the role of beans in chili? Better get the popcorn...

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      • texastweeter
        texastweeter commented
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        Easy one. For TP remember, beards are cool, mullets are not. And chili....that ones not even an argument.

      #11
      On Taco Tuesday……you ask if a taco is a sandwich!!

      no way Jose…not in my book.

      a taco…this is a labor of love, all that goodness cradled in a warm corn tortilla, allowing for 3-4 bites that you get to repeat on a few more tacos.

      At least that’s my thought on the question 🌮 🌮 🌮

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      • Spinaker
        Spinaker commented
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        He has spoken!!!! Strike the gavel!

      #12
      The taquerias around here serve "tortas." Those look exactly like what I would call a sandwich. So I'm thinking a taco is different from a torta or the friendly people at the taqueria wouldn't have separate names for them.

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      • Mosca
        Mosca commented
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        Then a hoagie isn’t a sandwich?

      • mrteddyprincess
        mrteddyprincess commented
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        No, a hoagie, and sliders, sub, and a club are all sandwiches.

      #13
      Some silver miners may have coined the name taco but what we know as tacos were being eaten centuries before the arrival of Europeans to the americas. It may not be a sandwich but I would take either right now!!

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        #14
        Ahem.

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          #15
          I imagine that tortillas, much like middle eastern nations use breads and fufu were originally used for grabbing food... a fork you eat if you will. As such none of those are sandwiches even if they evolved into sandwich like things.

          Honestly I'd say most American tacos are actually deformed tostadas (if it's a hardshell taco anyway)

          Some tortas are absolutely sandwiches, but some are some form of meatbun
          Last edited by ItsAllGoneToTheDogs; May 22, 2024, 07:43 AM.

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