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  • Dewesq55
    Founding Member
    • Jul 2014
    • 2039
    • The Poconos, NEPA
    • Smoker:
      Landmann Smoke Master Series Heavy Duty Barrel Smoker (COS) - With mods including 2 level rack system with pull-out grates
      Masterbuilt 40.2" 1200W Electric Smoker
      Masterbuilt ThermoTemp XL 40" Vertical Propane Smoker

      Gas Grill:
      BBQPro (cheap big box store model) Stainless steel 4 burnerswith aftermarket rotisserie.

      Charcoal Grill:
      Weber Smokey Joe Charcoal Grill 14"

      Thermometer:​​​​​​
      Fireboard 2 with Drive cable and 20 CFM fan and Competition Probe Package
      Fireboard 1st Generation
      ThermoWorks Mini Instant Read
      Lavaworks Thermowand Instant Read
      2 Maverick 733
      ThermoWorks IR-GUN-S Industrial Infrared Thermometer
      ThermoWorks ThermaPen Mk4 x 2
      Govee Bluetooth Thermometer with 6 probes

      Miscellaneous:
      Anova Sous Vide Immersion Circulator - 1st generation
      Anova Sous Vide Immersion Circulator - wifi/bluetooth connected

      Favorite Beer:
      Anything to the dark side and malty rather than hoppy. Currently liking Yuengling Porter and Newcastle Brown Ale. In a bar or pub I will often default to Guiness

      Favorite Spirit:
      Bourbon - Eagle Rare for "every day"; Angel's Envy for special occasions, Basil Hayden's, Larceny

      Favorite Wine:
      Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon Super Tuscan Sangiovese (Including Chianti Classico Riserva) Brunello di Montalcino

      Favorite Meat(s):
      Pork - especially the darker meat. I love spare ribs and anything made from shoulder/butt meat
      Chicken - Mainly the dark meat and wings
      Beef Ribeye steak

      Favorite Cuisine to Cook:
      Can't list just one: Indian, Chinese, Thai, West Indian/Carribean, Hispanic/Latin American, Ethiopian, Italian, BBQ

      Favorite Cuisine to Eat:
      Indian, followed closely by BBQ.

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      David E. Waterbury

    Ribs FAIL!

    I finally got to cook my first plague ribs. I had 2 racks of baby backs since those are the only ribs I could find. I'm at my vacation home for the weekend so I got to cook them on my new (last fall) Masterbuilt Thermotemp XL. I had the cooker set to 250°F and had my Fireboard ambient probe set in the middle of the cabinet as a double check. Below I am posting a screen shot of the Fireboard session to show how perfectly the Thermotemp XL performed. The ribs were dry brined with an SPG rub and rubbed with Memphis Dust overnight and hung in the cooker using PBC hooks. I checked them after about 4½ hours and they were disastrously overcooked. I'm actually surprised they didn't fall apart on the hooks. The IT probed about 208°F on my Thermapen YIKES! Most of the meat was very dry, although there were some areas between the bones which had a good amount of fat so they were sort of edible. They couldn't really be cut into individual bones without disintegrating. Below is a pic from when they came off and they look decent, but looks can be deceiving. I blame my neglecting to place a Fireboard meat probe in one of the racks to give me some idea of when to check for doneness. I always do that, even with ribs, but got lazy today.

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    Here is the Fireboard session. The first spike is from when I pre-heated to 350°F to get the hickory chunks smoking. Then I put the ribs in and dropped the temp to a scoche over 250° and left it.
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    Last edited by Dewesq55; May 31, 2020, 09:32 AM.
  • Jerod Broussard
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    • Jun 2014
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      Thermoworks Thermapen w/ Back light (gift)
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      Cambro Model 300MPC110 w/ Winco SS Pans
      B & B and Kingsford Charcoal
      B & B Pellets

    #2
    Did you slice them hot or cooled off some?

    SLC's are more forgiving with overcooking, they get moister by the degree past doneness.

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    • ofelles
      Club Member
      • Jun 2018
      • 2256
      • Brentwood CA
      • Yoder YS640 on Comp cart
        Klose 20x42 Charcoal Grill
        LSG Insulated Cabinet
        Jumbo Joe
        VacMaster Pro 380 sealer
        FireBoard and Pit Bull fan
        Thermoworks Signal
        Thermoworks Dot
        Thermopen Mk4

      #3
      At least they were not completely ruined

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      • Ahumadora
        Club Member
        • Oct 2015
        • 2145
        • Warkworth, New Zealand

        #4
        So it's more of a problem of you managing your time than the bbq smoker or cook.

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        • Greygoose
          Club Member
          • May 2019
          • 672
          • South Shore,MA

          #5
          I’d eat’ em
          when I smoke ribs I start checking on them after 3 hrs
          It’s not like bakin’ a cake

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          • Dewesq55
            Dewesq55 commented
            Editing a comment
            Oh, I didn't say we didn't eat them. . .😁
        • smokenoob
          Club Member
          • Dec 2017
          • 1038
          • Gulf Breeze, Florida

          #6
          what am I missing? 250 deg for 4 hours should not have done that....something is off

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          • ecowper
            ecowper commented
            Editing a comment
            Actually, back ribs with not too much meat on them can be done in 3.5 to 4 hours at 250.

          • Dewesq55
            Dewesq55 commented
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            smokenoob - I hear you, but I have very good correlation between the temperature setting on the cooker and the FB readings. Also, in past uses, this cooker had run pretty close to what the dial was set at. So I don't think the temp readings are off by much, if at all. I just overcooked them. My bad.
            Last edited by Dewesq55; May 31, 2020, 09:37 AM.

          • smokenoob
            smokenoob commented
            Editing a comment
            Ok, just wonky wibs then.
        • smokin fool
          Club Member
          • Apr 2019
          • 2004
          • Mississauga, Ont

          #7
          Sometimes life gets in the way of smoking, I wouldn't go nuts over this, more sauce more beer and/or wine will help.
          You had an off day.
          I have 4 racks to smoke tomorrow, as I lament my BKK runs best at 300ish so will see where I end up at the end of the day.
          Theses are great or you dirty rotten....

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          • Mr. Bones
            Mr. Bones commented
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            Good luck, Brother! Have a Great Cook!
        • ecowper
          Founding Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 3476
          • Maple Valley, WA
          • Grill = Hasty-Bake Gourmet Dual Finish
            Smoke = Weber Smokey Mountain 22.5"

            Thermometer = FireBoard FBX11 with 2 ambient and 6 meat probes
            Thermometer = Maverick ET732
            Thermometer = ThermoWorks Chef Alarm
            Thermapen Mk IV = Light blue
            Thermapen Classic = Grey
            PID Controller = Fireboard Drive + Auber 20 CFM Fan

            Favorite cook = Tri-Tip for the grill, whole packer brisket for the smoker
            Favorite wine = a good Bordeaux with steak, a good Syrah with pork, or a nice bottle of Champagne or California sparkling wine
            Favorite beer = Sam Adams Boston Lager or Shiner Bock
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            Best Cookbooks - Meathead's "The Science of Great Barbecue and Grilling", Chris Lilly's "Big Bob Gibson's BBQ Book", Aaron Franklin's "Franklin BBQ"


            Eric Cowperthwaite aka ecowper

          #8
          Meat is ornery. It doesn’t cooperate. It fights us and challenges us. And we learn from it every time. Most likely these ribs had less meat on them than normal. Back ribs run 3-5 hours, generally, depending on the amount of meat on them when cooking at 250’ish.

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          • Mr. Bones
            Mr. Bones commented
            Editing a comment
            True dat. Therein lies th Fun, right?
            BBR's rarely take me much past 3, @275° some less, but it's also a function of airflow in a given cooker, as well as cooker temp. Since I have more than one cooker, it's a fun game to play.

          • fzxdoc
            fzxdoc commented
            Editing a comment
            I completely agree, ecowper and Mr. Bones . My husband prefers BBRs over SLCs so I usually make one rack of each, starting the SLCs about an hour or so sooner at 275ish.

            K.
        • HouseHomey
          Club Member
          • May 2016
          • 5417
          • Huntington Beach, Ca. Surf City USA.
          • Equipment
            Primo Oval xl

            Slow n Sear (two)
            Drip n Griddle
            22" Weber Kettle
            26" Weber Kettle one touch
            Blackstone 36” Pro Series
            Sous vide machine
            Kitchen Aid
            Meat grinder
            sausage stuffer
            5 Crock Pots
            Akootrimonts
            Two chimneys (was 3 but rivets finally popped, down to 1)
            cast iron pans,
            Dutch ovens
            Signals 4 probe, thermapens, chef alarms, Dots, thermapop and maverick T-732, RTC-600, pro needle and various pocket instareads.
            The help and preferences
            1 extra fridge and a deep chest freezer in the garage
            KBB
            FOGO
            A 9 year old princess foster child
            Patience and old patio furniture
            "Baby Girl" The cat

            Erik S.

          #9
          Eeek. I usually slice one (Or 2) off the ends At about 3 hours.

          I have a sorted past with back ribs when I used to buy the behemoth ones with much loin attached. I smoked those suckers in a COS and not in a good way.

          I ended up pretty good with them but can’t shake the feelings of yore, therefore henceforth hitherto upon... I slice at about three hours to this day.

          I also buy way small racks now. No doubt I prefer St Louie but if buying backs they need to be small racks.

          im sorry about your ribs my friend. That’s disappointing when you have your heart set on something.

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          • Mr. Bones
            Mr. Bones commented
            Editing a comment
            I def avoid th ones loaded with loin meat...loin=lean=dry afore th real rib meat is done, ime. An I HATE wastin food, 'twas thoroughly beaten into me from parents that weathered th Depression, Dust Bowl, an WWII..

          • fzxdoc
            fzxdoc commented
            Editing a comment
            Write on, Milord, forsooth. Those extra loin meat BBRs have been forthwith banned from your kingdom, sounds like. Same with my kingdom.

            Kathryn
        • mountainsmoker
          Banned Former Member
          • Jun 2019
          • 1849
          • Bryson City, NC

          #10
          Baby backs are funny things they can have a lot or a little of the loin on them Normally I start checking at 2.5 - 3 hours. Then every 1/2 hour after that. I have given up on bbr's cause you never know what you are going to get and I really prefer the taste of spare ribs.

          Comment


          • Mr. Bones
            Mr. Bones commented
            Editing a comment
            I do spares way more often, BBR's are usually by request, or jus cause I ain't made em in some time...bout a buck a pound difference, on any given day, here, as well. Don't mind payin dat buck, fer a flavour upgrade, but to me, spares actually taste better, as well...OMMV, an I defer to their preference, with respect.

          • Steve R.
            Steve R. commented
            Editing a comment
            I'm with you in preferring spare ribs. But if I have no choice but to use BBRs, I go ahead and trim off the excess loin meat before cooking. And the narrow end of the rack does have some mighty fine tasting meat on it.
        • texastweeter
          Club Member
          • Jul 2017
          • 2937
          • Republic of Texas

          #11
          That's why I don't do BB

          Comment

          • JCGrill
            Club Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 1795
            • Minneapolis / St Paul burbs
            • Charcoal - 22" Weber Kettle
              Gas - Saber
              Smoker - Green Mountain Daniel Boone
              Portable - Charbroil Tabletop Propane Grill

            #12
            I rarely do 3-2-1 anymore on SLR's because I find they only need 5 hours, and thus I have cut back on BBR's as well. Check them at 3, never more than 4. And that's at 225. Thanks for sharing, I think you can learn a lot from mistakes.

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            • Dewesq55
              Founding Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 2039
              • The Poconos, NEPA
              • Smoker:
                Landmann Smoke Master Series Heavy Duty Barrel Smoker (COS) - With mods including 2 level rack system with pull-out grates
                Masterbuilt 40.2" 1200W Electric Smoker
                Masterbuilt ThermoTemp XL 40" Vertical Propane Smoker

                Gas Grill:
                BBQPro (cheap big box store model) Stainless steel 4 burnerswith aftermarket rotisserie.

                Charcoal Grill:
                Weber Smokey Joe Charcoal Grill 14"

                Thermometer:​​​​​​
                Fireboard 2 with Drive cable and 20 CFM fan and Competition Probe Package
                Fireboard 1st Generation
                ThermoWorks Mini Instant Read
                Lavaworks Thermowand Instant Read
                2 Maverick 733
                ThermoWorks IR-GUN-S Industrial Infrared Thermometer
                ThermoWorks ThermaPen Mk4 x 2
                Govee Bluetooth Thermometer with 6 probes

                Miscellaneous:
                Anova Sous Vide Immersion Circulator - 1st generation
                Anova Sous Vide Immersion Circulator - wifi/bluetooth connected

                Favorite Beer:
                Anything to the dark side and malty rather than hoppy. Currently liking Yuengling Porter and Newcastle Brown Ale. In a bar or pub I will often default to Guiness

                Favorite Spirit:
                Bourbon - Eagle Rare for "every day"; Angel's Envy for special occasions, Basil Hayden's, Larceny

                Favorite Wine:
                Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon Super Tuscan Sangiovese (Including Chianti Classico Riserva) Brunello di Montalcino

                Favorite Meat(s):
                Pork - especially the darker meat. I love spare ribs and anything made from shoulder/butt meat
                Chicken - Mainly the dark meat and wings
                Beef Ribeye steak

                Favorite Cuisine to Cook:
                Can't list just one: Indian, Chinese, Thai, West Indian/Carribean, Hispanic/Latin American, Ethiopian, Italian, BBQ

                Favorite Cuisine to Eat:
                Indian, followed closely by BBQ.

                Disqus ID:
                David E. Waterbury

              #13
              Yes, live and learn. I didn't mean to be crying in my beer. I was just sharing a fail the same way we all share our successes. While I have certainly cooked BBRs before and never had this happen, I cook way more spares/SLCs because they are what I prefer. So hopefully I learned a lesson here about cooking BBRs. On the positive side, as Barbara noted, at least I wasn't cooking for others. Eating my own mistakes is one thing. Expecting others to eat them is quite another.

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              • Mr. Bones
                Mr. Bones commented
                Editing a comment
                Brother, Certainly never took it fer cryin in yer beer, jus as th same self-admonition we Perfectionists all experience, from time to time.
                I also enjoy sharin my fails, mayhap even more than my successes, in th hopes that it might prevent even one lone person from bein as Stupid as I am, an botchin up some perfeckly good food.
                An yup; puttin yer heart, soul an guts on a plate fer others, especial payin customers, adds quite th additional layer of complexity, an guilt-trip.
                Last edited by Mr. Bones; May 31, 2020, 11:33 AM.

              • Mr. Bones
                Mr. Bones commented
                Editing a comment
                Wasn't there some dumbarse redneck on here, like a month or so, boilin ribs?
            • smokin fool
              Club Member
              • Apr 2019
              • 2004
              • Mississauga, Ont

              #14
              Maybe some relatives you just don’t wanna see back

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              • HouseHomey
                Club Member
                • May 2016
                • 5417
                • Huntington Beach, Ca. Surf City USA.
                • Equipment
                  Primo Oval xl

                  Slow n Sear (two)
                  Drip n Griddle
                  22" Weber Kettle
                  26" Weber Kettle one touch
                  Blackstone 36” Pro Series
                  Sous vide machine
                  Kitchen Aid
                  Meat grinder
                  sausage stuffer
                  5 Crock Pots
                  Akootrimonts
                  Two chimneys (was 3 but rivets finally popped, down to 1)
                  cast iron pans,
                  Dutch ovens
                  Signals 4 probe, thermapens, chef alarms, Dots, thermapop and maverick T-732, RTC-600, pro needle and various pocket instareads.
                  The help and preferences
                  1 extra fridge and a deep chest freezer in the garage
                  KBB
                  FOGO
                  A 9 year old princess foster child
                  Patience and old patio furniture
                  "Baby Girl" The cat

                  Erik S.

                #15
                It’s all good my friend. We are here for you. As mentioned above 👆 save them for relatives not company.

                id need a whole channel for my failures. Then another for cooking.

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                • smokin fool
                  smokin fool commented
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                  I don't call them failures simply miscalculation by the meat and the smoker, sometimes the weather.
                  I just put them all together, its up to them to work out the rest of it

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