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    Why Is Your Food So Expensive?

    Moderators: If this is considered political, please delete it. But I don't think it is, if you read the article (and I hope you can, I have a subscription so I can see it) towards the end it mentions that a coalition of Republicans and Democrats are finally realizing that getting bigger and bigger is not the solution unless you are one of those who is at the top of what is getting bigger. I've lived in the plains states for most of my 69 years. Many in my family owned small family farms. My friends were the sons of small farmers. Today, there are no small family farms left, unless it's a hobby farm. The "family" farms friends of mine own now are large agribusiness operations. You don't farm 160 acres (a quarter section) today and raise a family. In Iowa, where I live, with some of the best farmland in the world, most farmers are farming on at least 10 sections. I know some that are a lot bigger. You don't have a farmer who raises some hogs, cows (some for beef, some for milk), and corn, rye, wheat and sorghum, like they did when I was a boy. In this area it's strictly corn and soybeans, and it's either to feed the hogs and steers or for ethanol. Hogs are by contract, and few operations are independent, most of the hogs in my part of Iowa are on contract with Iowa Select, owned by Jeff Hanson. Lots of things in this part of Iowa have the Hanson name on them. The packing plants are mostly owned by Chinese companies. Jeff and the packing companies set the price for what they pay for hogs. Take it or don't bother raising hogs.

    If you read the article, there was a law that said suppliers could not sell to big companies at a better price than they gave the little guys. That anti-trust law was enforced for 40 years. Then it was decided this stifled "competition". What it did was do away with competition, and killed off small grocery stores. If you live somewhere with your choice of 3 Wal-marts and/or Krogers within a mile, well aren't you the lucky SOB. You can buy groceries from the big guys, who tell the suppliers how much they want to pay, and the suppliers make up the difference by charging the few little guys that are left. But if you live where I do, in the middle of the nation's breadbasket, you have to drive a minimum of 6 miles to get groceries. Minimum. There is no competition. The big guys own the game and they set the rules. Pay attention to what your representatives are really representing.

    As I said in the beginning, this is not, or should not be, a partisan issue. Legislators on both sides of the aisle are starting to work together in recognition that this is something that effects everyone. This is the second article I have read today that talks about the partnerships between R's and D's to find solutions.

    If you can find one in your area, support the little guys. I buy my beef locally and have it processed locally. I buy from as many local small businesses as I can. It's a start.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/29/opinion/inflation-groceries-pricing-walmart.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20230620 &instance_id=95601&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=45053812&segment_id=136222&te=1&user _id=f75f7ac553021dd0804196fc38511aa0

    Decided to put a PS on this. I've been involved in farm issues since I began as a pastor in the early 80's in South Dakota. The "Farm Bills" for over a century have not been for the benefit of farmers. They have been "cheap food for cities" bills. This nation has had some of the cheapest food in the world for decades, and it's because the policies of both Democrats and Republicans have made that the priority. None of bills have really been concerned with small family farmers, it's been about the big guys, and how to help them make food cheaper while they make a fortune.

    And yes, I'm bitter.

    #2
    The article is blocked by a pay wall. Regarding your comments, I don’t think driving 6 miles to get groceries is that far. Is that a typo?

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    • Bogy
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      No, that's correct. However, if you are 90 years old and no longer able to drive, or if you are a single mom who needs a gallon of milk, and you have to drive 12 miles, then even a round trip of 12 miles is more than inconvenient. You just added at least $3 to the $4 price for the gallon of milk. I've had times in my life I didn't have 3 dollars extra.

    #3
    Here's the NYT story via the Internet Archive Org .... no paywall now

    Opinion | Why Inflation Is the Excuse for Higher Grocery Prices - The New York Times (archive.org)
    Last edited by ecowper; June 20, 2023, 02:50 PM.

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    • Bogy
      Bogy commented
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      Thanks!

    #4
    You have every right to be bitter. I hope you find a way to make a change. Good luck

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      #5
      The NYTimes allows subscribers to hand out some free "gift" links - here's one for this article:




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      • Bogy
        Bogy commented
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        02ebz06 I'd say you've dated yourself to about my age.

      • acorgihouse
        acorgihouse commented
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        Thanks, I was getting ready to do a gift link. I'll get the next one..

      • Bogy
        Bogy commented
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        ComfortablyNumb thanks for the history. Back in the 1970's I shopped at one near us in southern California. I wondered what had happened to the chain.

      #6
      I do not think the article is political and hope we can keep this discussion on track. I think the article is on point. However, I also think that what is written only points out a part of the problem. I think you are spot on that we should buy local. I also think that we should raise as much of our own food as possible. I realize that a lot of your points are regarding meat, but in addition to meat I think it is important that we grow as much as we can. Even if you live in an apartment grow vertically on a patio. What you cannot grow or produce, then by all means buy locally.

      In addition to what is written, I also think that recent droughts and weather is causing massive supply issues causing prices to go up. Then there is of course those issues that we wont discuss here but again, in my view that is just a part of an overall cumulative problem we are facing.

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        #7
        I think this USDA article has some valuable information as well that is mainly consumer focused. This one looks at the space from an industry perspective.

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          #8
          The people with the $$ make the rules.
          Nothing new there.
          I just try not to let it bother me too much, and count my blessings.

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            #9
            Here's another thought from somebody who has been involved in and responsible for emergency aid and food bank distribution for most of the last 40 years. The food bank in my county has seen a 100% increase in the past month. There are several reasons for that, including school is out, and kids don't have at least one meal a day during the week.

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              #10
              I’ve been shopping at farmer’s markets for decades. Both in the UK and in the states.

              A couple years ago my GF started growing some produce…mostly tomatoes, peppers and a handful of herbs. That has since expanded to melons, squash, and various vegetables. The best salads come right from the back garden.

              What produce she doesn’t grow we try to pick up at the local farmer’s market. And there’s a LOT grown relatively close.

              Both of my sons are also regulars at their locally grown markets. Taught them early to buy local and in season.

              I get my fish from a fish market, they have their own fleet and what they don’t catch, they mostly buy from others locally, and I try to get beef from a local supplier as well. That doesn’t always work because I’m not buying a hundred+ pounds at a time. And some really don’t want to sell a few steaks here & there. I get it, but it would be nice to simply grab 2-3 steaks and not have to pick up a 30lb box. There are a couple of markets that sell locally sourced beef in smaller quantities…but whoa buddy do they charge a premium. Haven’t found a local pork supplier yet.

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              • DavidNorcross
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                Excellent!

              #11
              I'm not gonna get very involved here except to point out the most important part to me. Buy local, buy small. Remember, your $$ is your second vote. Make it count nomatter where you fall politically.

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                #12
                Watermelon Price comparison from this past weekend :
                • farmers market located near farmland. Potentially touristy prices (large, probably seeded, unclear if it was grown locally or obtained elsewhere) - $11
                • Costco or sams: medium, seedless - $4.99
                • Chain grocery : medium, seedless - $5.99

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                • Murdy
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                  Yeah. I've noticed that in the Chicago burbs. A lot of farmers' markets around here primarily sell overpriced vegetables to affluent suburbanites. Same thing happens in touristy areas. You have to find some small-town markets to get bulk vegetables at good prices these days.

                #13
                I agree on buying local but I also ask questions. I have asked about unusual fruits, vegetables, and peppers for the time of year and been told we just bought them from Florida. I am not too sure those particular folks got the local farmer’s market concept.

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                • Bogy
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                  Around here sweet corn season is just starting. Hard telling where the supermarkets are getting theirs. I haven't seen a roadside stand yet. They usually "import" corn from southern Iowa until the really local crop is ready. A lot of vendors at farmers markets buy produce from the Amish, which is still local.

                #14
                Trouble comin everyday.

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                  #15
                  I read this when it came out, almost a month ago, it's a very good summary of current conditions, and a big part of why we try our best to diversify our sources. Between the local dairy, our community-supported agriculture farmshare, and buying meats from the vendors we all frequent regularly, we are hopeful to be helping in our small way.

                  There has been steady good news on the inflation front for some months now. One year ago, the headline number (year on year consumer price index, CPI) stood at 9.1%, and this month it's 4%. Improvement has been even better in the wholesale side, with the producer price index (PPI) showing an annualized drop this month from 2.3 to 1.1%. At its peak last March, PPI was at 11.7% year-over-year and it is now at 1.1%, which is a decline of 10.6%! (All these numbers from the usual Bureau of Labor Statistics sources.) So there is no question that a corner has been turned. The Fed tapping the brakes on interest rate increases this week is another sign that things are moving in the right direction.

                  How this may or may not ameliorate the issues identified in the NYT piece is way beyond my feeble understanding...!

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