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    Advice Needed: Shipping A Cooked Brisket

    My best friend lives in Arizona and for the last several years, almost any time I post a cook on a certain social media site, he pleads with me to send him some brisket. Four or five years ago, I sent him a smoked pork butt for Christmas, so this year I think I'll finally give in and ship him some brisket.

    My wife and I just came back from Sam's, where we found a 15 pound prime packer for only $3.25/lb. I plan to wet age 10 days or so and then to smoke it. I will separate it before cooking and make burnt ends from the point. With that much brisket, the bonus is that we get to feast here, too, even with shipping more than my friend and his wife can eat in a couple of meals.

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    I know that my friend and his wife have a sous vide set-up, so my thinking is to smoke the flat to 205 or so and then chill it without resting. My vacuum sealer is only the entry-level Geryon and my rolls of bag material only have a 7 inch opening. I plan to cut the flat into chunks that will just barely slide into the bag, seal and freeze. Sealing bags of burnt ends will also be a challenge, since this sealer doesn't like moist material (it has a "wet" setting, but I feel that it doesn't seal as long, and might not be safe for immersion), but I'll just keep working at it, likely even freezing before sealing.

    I plan to ship frozen, either second day air UPS or USPS Priority Mail. I'll pack in as many blue ice or soft freezer packs as will fit, along with a frozen block or two of my wife's KC-style sauce. I'll ship in a medium styrofoam chest with a cardboard box around it. I think my wife still has some Hello Fresh shippers a friend gave her for shipping her chemical samples to collaborators. For me, this size insulated shipper will always be an "enzyme box" because they were used for a lot of reagents I worked with back in my molecular biology days. With the entire inside of the styrofoam box stuffed with material frozen solid, I think the meat will arrive after 2-3 days in a safe state, but am open to input here, too. I can change to overnight shipping if that is the only safe option.

    So my questions revolve around them using sous vide to finish thawing and warming the brisket for eating. First, will my Geryon bags be adequate, or should my friends transfer the meat to proper bags before they go in the bath? Second, how long should the brisket be in the bath and at what temperature? Do those instructions change if it goes in the bath on arrival when it is presumably partially or mostly thawed as opposed to refreezing for a few days first? My gut thinking, based only the little bit of sous vide techniques I've seen from posts here, is that two to three hours at 130 should be fine.

    For fun, I think I'll also draw some instructions on the outside of the bags with "Slice along this side" and "DON'T slice along this side!" kind of like the way they draw on a patient before surgery.

    #2
    As for the moist stuff in the vacuum sealer, just freeze it before putting into the bag (or let it freeze in the unsealed bag), and you should be golden.

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      #3
      Cant help on the reheating and you might know this... but ship on a Monday or Tuesday so it doesn't sit over the weekend somewhere. Don't ship late in the week.

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        #4
        Franklin ships cooked briskets via goldbelly. The below link has reheating instructions. Their’s is not shipped frozen but your friend could thaw first or add an extra hour or so in the bath. Id at least start there.

        https://www.goldbelly.com/franklin-b...e?ref=merchant
        Last edited by grantgallagher; December 6, 2020, 01:29 PM.

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          #5
          When I reheat cooked, frozen brisket, I sous vide em at 145 for 4 hours. I like to get em out of the danger zone of 140 and below as fast as needed. I have shipped a deep fried turkey from Texas to Cali on time overnight. But I did chill it and not froze it. And it was fine. It was deep fried. In my crazy days. Things I know now.
          as for vac bags just tell em to seal over your bags and have em double bagged. That won’t hurt anything.
          if the brisket is cold and not frozen upon arrival your friend can re freeze. If planning on eating they are fine for 3 days in the fridge (could be longer but as a general rule of safety 3 days)

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            #6
            If you are worried about the seal, try double sealing the bags on both ends. I'd seal the bottom twice using the dry setting, (of course, factory sealed bags won't need this),before adding food and then seal the top with the moist setting and then again with the dry setting.

            I should mention that I mean the second seal will be next to the first seal - not on top.

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              #7
              When I seal wet stuff that I plan on bathing, I use two bags. The first hit the seal button just before any liquid gets into the seal area, then I fold it over and seal again in a second bag, letting the sealer run the cycle. I haven’t reheated in the sv though, so no suggestions on that.
              Last edited by klflowers; December 6, 2020, 03:19 PM.

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                #8
                Thanks for all the help! Everyone here is so great with how you share. Looks like I’ll cook next Sunday and ship Monday. I’m thinking the system will be too clogged if I wait until the 21st to ship.

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                • lostclusters
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                  It will most likely be clogged much sooner than that

                • rickgregory
                  rickgregory commented
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                  Actually you might want to check how clogged the system already is. I know UPS is overloaded.

                • Troutman
                  Troutman commented
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                  Yea a think a few of my veins are somewhat clogged but that's what the meds are for.

                #9
                Okay, SWMBO has declared that we are shipping overnight. In that case, I'm leaning toward the Goldbelly approach and not freezing but merely shipping with lots of ice packs. I have my styrofoam shipper now and will buy a cardboard box to go around it that will have several inches on each side that I can fill with material to serve both as padding and insulation. I'll also give my friend the link to the Goldbelly instructions. Thanks again, grantgallagher for reminding me that these guys are doing it.

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                • rickgregory
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                  I'd still freeze it. You never know how long it will be in a truck, the conditions, etc. If you ship it unfrozen it's at lowest 33F. Your margin for error is....7 degrees.

                • Jim White
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                  Yes, rickgregory, that's a good argument. Freezing buys me many more hours in the safe zone.

                • rickgregory
                  rickgregory commented
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                  Thing is, overnight doesn't necessarily mean 'in the morning' so to be safe, I'd assume if you drop something off at UPS/Fedex/whatever in the afternoon on one day it will be a full 24 hours or so untill it's delivered. Freezing it at 0F buys you a full 40 degrees of headroom.

                #10
                Don't forget to show us what you're doing.

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                  #11
                  I ship over 500 packages a year via USPS, UPS and FedEx. Shipping of late has been reasonably timely by all carriers, although I think a few more packages might take a day longer than compared to previous years.

                  UPS and FedEx have suspended their service guarantees for day-specific shipping methods, however. USPS Priority and Priority Express have never had a day-specific service guarantee. These carriers are doing their best, but their best isn't necessarily the same as pre-2020 standards.

                  Anyways, just in case you were still on the fence, I recommend freezing everything even if you're using an overnight shipping method. That's especially critical if you're going to be shipping this meat before Christmas.

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                  • Jim White
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                    Thanks. Yes, I hope to ship overnight Monday, but plan to freeze all contents of the box before packing it.

                  #12
                  Just FYI .... Creekstone shipped on monday, it arrived at my house an hour ago. The brisket and ribeyes were still frozen solid.

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                    #13
                    I've shipped frozen ribs and brisket 2 day from East coast to Left coast a few times.
                    I bought a cheap ice chest at Wallyworld and added 'officially ' no more than 4 pounds of dry ice.. 4# is the UPS limit.
                    Meat has arrived in fine shape each time.

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                      #14
                      Okay, folks, cross your fingers because the cook is under way. Yesterday afternoon, I trimmed and separated the brisket. Recall that it's a prime packer from Sam's club. Sales weight was around 14 and 3/4 pounds. I'm a definite amateur at butchering, as you'll see in the pictures. Trimmed weight of the flat was about 4 and 3/4 pounds and the point was just a hair under 4 pounds (and mangled!). Here they are after the salt went on.

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                      With all that beautiful marbling, I saw no reason to leave much fat on the outside, especially on the flat. It did turn out to be very thin, though.

                      I froze a couple of packages of fat and one of "trimmings" that was a little fat with bits of meat. One package of fat will get rendered later today for searing the burnt ends.

                      After dry brining in the fridge overnight, I set my Kamado up for another "cold start" and lots of mesquite chunks on a mix of Publix Greenwise and Cowboy lump. Here is the setup just after lighting my Tumbleweed fire starter. I just love those things even if they are just about the least expensive of the starter options.

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                      I'm not sure how I've made it this far as a member of the Pit without making a batch of Big Bad Beef Rub, but I remedied that yesterday. I applied a heavy layer after hitting with a spritz of cooking spray to remoisten the beef surface.

                      I neglected to get photos after applying rub, but here we are with beautiful amounts of smoke/steam just a few minutes into the cook as the cooker is coming up to the target of 275. I am using my usual Baking Steel substitute for the ceramic heat deflector and used my wife's electric tea kettle to put boiling water into the drip pans so that heat wouldn't be wasted bringing the water up to temp. I wanted lots of early steam with the early smoke to get good smoke flavor onto the meat.

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                      The flat is so thin that it temped at almost 50 as the CyberQ Cloud fired up. I moved the probe a little, but that's just where we were after only a few minutes on the counter for applying rub and taking out to the cooker. The point stayed at a nice 36 or so for comparison.

                      As I write this, it's an hour into the cook with the flat at around 150 and the point at around 125. Cooker temp is holding a hair under the 275 target. Time to put my feet up for a while...

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                        Okay, definitely declaring success on the cook. Even though the point started way behind the flat on temperature, it eventually caught up and they both stalled over an hour around 165. The point came out first. Here's the view when I took the point off when it was at 197. The flat was only 189 or so, but was probe tender in all but the thickest spots. I went ahead and left it on the cooker while I processed the burnt ends.

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                        Point cut open and then cubed up for a bit of searing.

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                        And here they are in all their glory with sauce cooked down.

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                        Meanwhile, back on the flat... I took it off at about 195, already probe tender pretty much everywhere. Of course, I insist on a hefty bounty of about half of the cook, so I split the flat roughly in half. I realized that just after cutting (I had let it rest 45 minutes to an hour unwrapped), juices were not yet running out, so I quickly sealed the half for shipping. Juices started coming out under vacuum, but did not reach the seal area before it sealed. Yay! And finally, we have the proof of tenderness but not overcooked, with a slice flopping over my wonderful new brisket sword courtesy of Secret Santa @Beefchop.

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                        The flavor on this is out of this world. Although the slices almost look dry in the photos, the meat certainly doesn't taste dry. It's definitely worth finding prime brisket when possible. And I'm now an instant fan of Big Bad Beef Rub.

                        Many thanks to all of the experts here who have helped me get my smoking game to the point where I'm comfortable gifting folks.

                        I'll post pics tomorrow of the food getting packed up. The burnt ends and sauce are now in the freezer in flat Rubbermaid Take-Away flat containers and I've made sure my gel pack ice packs are frozen very flat so that everything should stack together with maximum contact in the styrofoam container.

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                        • Andrrr
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                          Well done. That looks perfect!

                        • Andrrr
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                          I know I already commented but those pictures are... sexy. The smoke ring, lighting, story, everything. I’d happily take that brisket cook every time. I’ve never split a brisket and my trimming skills are pretty lackluster but I think you inspired me to try to cook them separately next time.

                        • Jeromy
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                          Your bark looks amazing. Nice job!

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