Been following this site for some time now and have been a weekend warrior for about 4 yrs now. Love some brisket and short ribs. Have the bark to my liking, juiciness and taste are great, but over the last year or so, my smoke ring has dramatically decreased. When I first started, it was a nice 1/4" ring... one that makes you feel good about yourself. Now, it's just a pencil line, which is disappointing to the eye. I use (and have used) the same smoker, charcoal and wood: Akorn, lump and pecan (not soaked as per reading through this website and "Meathead"). Where did my smoke ring go??
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I'll give it a shot.... thanks.
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BBQnBEER check out some of the weekend Brisket posts, most if the ones with a big smoke ring are KBB charcoal. Mine was KBB, Applewood.
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Pirate Scott Thank you, ill look into that as well!
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BBQnBEER did you change your rub? I believe salt is the ingredient that helps create the smoke ring. When I reduced the salt in my rub I also reduced my smoke ring. Did you change your cooking temp so that you cooks are shorter?
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LA Pork Butt that is interesting about the salt content. I suppose it would have a more pronounced ring if dry brined longer?
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As a lot of BBQ nerds probably already know the smoke ring is nothing more than the outside of the meat getting pickled by the nitric oxide (NO) and carbon monoxide (CO) in the smoke. So this is really a reaction of the meat with the gasses in smoke, not the actual smoke particles that impart smoke flavor. Therefore the size of the smoke ring has no real bearing on the actual amount of smoke flavor you will get in that bite of brisket. You can even fake a smoke ring by using curing salts.
Add some Tender Quick to a rub or dissolve it in a brine and you will see an immediate difference in your meat’s smoke ring. Many competitive cookers will also use products referred to as "pink salt," Prague Powder or Fab (a meat enhancer).
Last edited by Jon Solberg; September 4, 2017, 04:53 PM.
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Contact time with the smoke with the meat under about 130F is how to get a penetrating smoke ring. Of course the smoke needs nitric oxide or carbon monoxide to bond with the myoglobin to "fix" the ring.
So, a hot clean fire (more perfect combustion) leading to blue smoke and better smoke flavor has fewer "poorly combusted" molecules including NO & CO -- you'll end up with more NO2 and CO2 which don't react with myoglobin.
So, as you've gotten better at fire management, your smoke ring has gotten smaller… hmmm.
Cold, moist meat attracts the smoke, so try to add the meat directly from the fridge or even partially frozen. Spritz to madd moisture. Look at adding other Smoke sources that are undergoing less perfect combustion like an A-maze-n tube.
As others have said, it looks perfect to me!
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Hi, my name is Darrell. I'm an OTR truck driver for over 25 years. During my off time I love doing backyard cooks. I have a 48" Lang Deluxe smoker, Rec-Tec pellet smoker,1 Weber Genesis 330, 1 Weber Performer (blue), 2 Weber kettles (1 black and 1 Copper), 1 26" Weber kettle, a WSM, 8 Maverick Redi Chek thermometers, a PartyQ, 2 SnS, Grill Grates, Cast Iron grates, 1 ThermoPop (orange) and 2 ThermoPens (pink and orange) and planning on adding more cooking accessories. Now I have an Anova sous vide, the Dragon blower and 2 Chef alarms from Thermoworks.
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Cookbooks to check out - Raichlen's "Brisket Chronicles" and anything by Adam Perry Lang.
Current fanboy cookbook - "Chasing Smoke: Cooking Over Fire Around the Levant"
Some Posts in Pitmaster to check out:
Eric's Brisket Method
Eric's Method for Drunken Texas Beans
Stacy's Bouef Bourguignon
Eric's Smoked Texas Chili
Rancho Gordo Beans and Bean Club
Troutman's Ribs - Step By Step Primer
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That beef short rib in your first post looks fantastic BBQnBEER. As Jon Solberg says, that picture is cookbook worthy. In any case, if you used to have a deeper smoke ring, and now have a thinner one, something has changed. Discovering what has changed will enable you to "fix" the problem .... although I'm not sure that any fixing is needed, honestly.
Have you read these articles on smoke and smoke rings?
Smoked meats often have a pink layer below the surface called the smoke ring. But you don't need smoke to create it! It is created by myoglobin, a protein in meat, reacting with combustion gases. Read on to learn how removing the fat cap from meat, keeping the meat moist, and cooking low and slow create the smoke ring.
Learn all about wood smoke and how it adds flavor to BBQ. Find out whether you should be using wood chunks, chips, pellets, logs, or sawdust in your cooker. Discover the truth behind the claim that different woods have different flavors.
One of the key things to developing both great BBQ taste and the smoke ring is to have a hot fire. Keeping your fire small, but hot, with good airflow, is important.
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