Murdy First, let me again acknowledge your listing of Spam as an unusual meat you've eaten. I still chuckle about it--it was brilliant!
On this thread https://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/fo...80-woe-is-kale You wrote:
""They are funded by many of the big players in the organic market"
The other side is bigger (ADM, Monsanto, Kraft, etc), has an even bigger financial interest and is capable of pushing back hard. Meanwhile, government watchdog agencies are lobbied and hamstrung by Congressional directives imposed at the behest of industry lobbyists.
Consumers are left wondering who to trust. Nevertheless, common sense would seem to dictate that one should avoid eating things used to poison other things."
I think that it is not correct to assert that "Big Ag" has a bigger financial stake in any practical sense. Both "sides" have their financial interest and their bottom lines as an all important concern to themselves. Whole Foods is every bit as financially involved as is ADM, as are Ma 'n' Pa businesses for that matter. Also, I'm unaware of "Big Ag" "pushing back" hard in any dishonest sense.
Also, we consume TONS of "poisons" everyday day. Almost anything is a poison if taken in a large enough dose, including water, salt, and Vitamin D. Copper is necessary for human health, as is chromium. It doesn't take too much of an excess of either to make one seriously ill or even to kill. Arsenic isn't required for human health and it's deadly, but you consume some every day, in water and in food. It's a cliche, but it's true--the dose makes the poison.
As to whom to trust? I think any food sold in the US today is 100% safe, whether organic or conventional--the occasional food poisoning scare aside--and I'd note that both organic and conventional foods both suffer contamination problems. I'd also note, imo, that "Big Organic" takes many more pot shots at "Big AG' than the other way around. When is last time you saw ADM or Monsanto claim their products were more nutritional than the equivalent organic products? I think, in that sense, "Big Organic" is the more dishonest of the two. Anyway, Meathead entitled his article: "Beware of the Marketeers". It's probably good advice to ignore any extravagant claims about any product.
I don't worry about whom to trust, neither will hurt you at all, 'ceptin' organic will hurt more in the pocketbook as a rule. I do think the point in the Forbes article (linked below) is interesting--organic produce is not free from conventional pesticides contrary to what they say (and regardless of how that "contamination" occurred), so the question posed by Forbes--will you still eat organic or will you now refuse to because of the presence of pesticides?) is a good one and is worth pondering.
The kale report that sparked the other thread is here: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/20/kale...egetables.html
The Forbes article is here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevens.../#7a9e342d683b
Thanks again to ComfortablyNumb for providing the two links.
That's my take--feel free to disagree.
On this thread https://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/fo...80-woe-is-kale You wrote:
""They are funded by many of the big players in the organic market"
The other side is bigger (ADM, Monsanto, Kraft, etc), has an even bigger financial interest and is capable of pushing back hard. Meanwhile, government watchdog agencies are lobbied and hamstrung by Congressional directives imposed at the behest of industry lobbyists.
Consumers are left wondering who to trust. Nevertheless, common sense would seem to dictate that one should avoid eating things used to poison other things."
I think that it is not correct to assert that "Big Ag" has a bigger financial stake in any practical sense. Both "sides" have their financial interest and their bottom lines as an all important concern to themselves. Whole Foods is every bit as financially involved as is ADM, as are Ma 'n' Pa businesses for that matter. Also, I'm unaware of "Big Ag" "pushing back" hard in any dishonest sense.
Also, we consume TONS of "poisons" everyday day. Almost anything is a poison if taken in a large enough dose, including water, salt, and Vitamin D. Copper is necessary for human health, as is chromium. It doesn't take too much of an excess of either to make one seriously ill or even to kill. Arsenic isn't required for human health and it's deadly, but you consume some every day, in water and in food. It's a cliche, but it's true--the dose makes the poison.
As to whom to trust? I think any food sold in the US today is 100% safe, whether organic or conventional--the occasional food poisoning scare aside--and I'd note that both organic and conventional foods both suffer contamination problems. I'd also note, imo, that "Big Organic" takes many more pot shots at "Big AG' than the other way around. When is last time you saw ADM or Monsanto claim their products were more nutritional than the equivalent organic products? I think, in that sense, "Big Organic" is the more dishonest of the two. Anyway, Meathead entitled his article: "Beware of the Marketeers". It's probably good advice to ignore any extravagant claims about any product.
I don't worry about whom to trust, neither will hurt you at all, 'ceptin' organic will hurt more in the pocketbook as a rule. I do think the point in the Forbes article (linked below) is interesting--organic produce is not free from conventional pesticides contrary to what they say (and regardless of how that "contamination" occurred), so the question posed by Forbes--will you still eat organic or will you now refuse to because of the presence of pesticides?) is a good one and is worth pondering.
The kale report that sparked the other thread is here: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/20/kale...egetables.html
The Forbes article is here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevens.../#7a9e342d683b
Thanks again to ComfortablyNumb for providing the two links.
That's my take--feel free to disagree.
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