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**Sweaty Paul** · January 21, 2024, 05:27 PM

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**Greygoose** · January 21, 2024, 05:43 PM

Welcome back into the fold,,👍👍👍

**Oak Smoke** · January 21, 2024, 08:04 PM

Welcome back and welcome to life after stress. You’ll be just fine. You don’t have to be tough enough anymore.

**Mosca** · January 22, 2024, 08:33 AM

Get somebody to take photos and videos of the delivery and unboxing! That is one of the things I’ve always thought about: if I did add a KK, how would I get it up the 10 stairs to the deck? I’d have to hire people!

**jfmorris** · January 22, 2024, 03:29 PM

I have looked at a friend's KK that is about the size you ordered, you really can't see the wheels to know how big they are, since they are hidden underneath. I would be afraid to try and roll it up a ramp myself, especially a super steep one, versus just getting several guys to carry it up the stairs. I know I wouldn't try that with my SNS Kamado in the cradle, and its wheels are pretty large. Just be super cautious! We don't want to see Humpty Dumpty come tumbling down...

**MsTwiggy** · January 22, 2024, 04:18 PM

My motor arrived today and it got me thinking - which roti accessories you would pick? I went with the 6 inch cage and the traditional spit. Why didn’t i get the 8” cage with the reducer - because 1% chance I roti a turkey and the 6 will be easier to clean and easier on my motor. Also had brief fantasy that I’ll get a bigger cage when I order my BB32 🤡 Now, while its not a roti I also got the “duck” hanger because I am used to hanging poultry and wibs in my PBC and OJB and I couldn’t resist. Al pastor party??! 🎉

The KK is one of few kamado roti’s that are completely enclosed - I know the aluminum 20 inch Blaze also has this feature but I am unaware of others. I am really excited to roti chicken, game hens, pork loins, duck and who knows what else!!!🔥🔥🐿️

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**Histrix** · January 22, 2024, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by MsTwiggy View Post

So the Kamado 🚀 arrived in Seattle on Thursday and I have scheduled delivery for Tuesday at high noon 🕛. I have some stairs that I need to get it over and think the best thing is to rent a ramp. They are reasonable $15/day for a 7 foot that can accomodate 800 pounds (folding version designed for wheelchairs). There is also a 15 foot version rated at 1500 pounds but it weighs 150 pounds and won’t fit in my car (similar to the aluminum ramp on a uhaul). The incline would be 43% or almost 2:1 with the 7 foot ramp. I think this is doable over a short distance especially since the other ramp will be a PITA to get. I’m thinking that rolling this will be much easier than lifting it. 🔥🔥🐿️

If you use that short ramp when you get the kamado at the top of the ramp/stairs you may find that the breakover angle will make it much more difficult to push/pull the grill. - it would be like a high centered jeep stuck on a rock. In fact, with that steep an angle you might even have difficulty getting it started on the ramp at the bottom.

I really suggest that you either make sure you have a few more strong bodies on hand to help. I'd hate to see just two of you trying to wrestle that up such a steep ramp just to have it fall/slide backwards possibly harming one or both of you and damaging the kamado.

If you can't arrange for at least a couple more strong bodies I'd consider renting a pickup truck from Home Depot (it only costs $25 for an hour or two) or the like and using that to get the 15 foot ramp to your house. That longer ramp would make the angle much more reasonably doable by just a couple of folks. Given your investment tho I'd still want a few more bodies in either scenario.

If I was doing this I'd want both the longer ramp AND a few more bodies as I'd want some ropes pulling to help control the high center of gravity of that kamado when it is on the ramp.

In any case, good luck!! Can't wait to see it in action.

**MsTwiggy** · January 22, 2024, 08:23 PM

Ok folks for reference these are the stairs. Great ideas here, appreciate everyone looking out for me!! 🔥🔥🐿️

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**Steve R.** · January 22, 2024, 09:00 PM

Only problem I see with a ramp is it is going to be a long trip pushing/pulling with no good way to stop and take a break if needed.

What I did when we sold our side-by-side fridge to the nextdoor neighbors and needed to move it over there was to rent an appliance hand truck from U-Haul (I think we paid maybe $10 for a day). It is taller, for better leverage, and has small wheels and tracks above the wheels for climbing steps like you have. It also has heavy duty straps built in to secure the load.

The neighbors moved out a couple of years later and didn't want the hassle of moving that fridge out of their walkout basement, where it was serving as a beer fridge; so they gave it back to us. I brought it back the same way I took it over there, and then sold it again to somebody else. 😃

**yakima** · January 22, 2024, 09:11 PM

Assuming the freight truck delivers it on the sidewalk below the stairs, which probably goes to the curb, look into renting a pallet jack, moving it in its crate to the landing, Then 4 guys horsing it over the last 2 steps. @Mosca's idea to leave it in the crate is critical. Crate prolly too wide for the door, so uncrate on landing.

**Mosca** · January 22, 2024, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by MsTwiggy

I concur, Mosca 💯 thinking outside the box 📦 😂
And then I can use a uHaul appliance dolly like Steve R. suggests. The only thing that gives me pause is the shipping weight of the crate is 762 pounds🔥🔥🐿️

Use a stair dolly. Have one person on top with moving straps wrapped around, pulling, and another below, pushing. It will go. You’re moving it sideways and up incrementally, not straight up in the air; I’m sure there’s some calculus that describes how the force is distributed. Just get it as far as you can without uncrating. If the thing shows up and it looks to be an overwhelming task, give some thought to hiring bonded and insured professionals.

**Smoker_Boy** · January 23, 2024, 06:28 AM

I vote for the "hiring a moving company" idea.

Nothing like getting hurt to screw up your life.
(ask me how I know that)

**58limited** · January 23, 2024, 07:20 AM

I recommend renting a piano dolly like this, they should come with a couple of ratchet straps or the straps are cheap at Walmart or Harbor Freight.

I successfully moved an 1100 lb piano with only one other person with these. I liked them so much that I bought them from the guy who loaned them to me. There were four steps, the trailer was as tall as the first two steps and we used plywood to make a ramp from the trailer up the other two steps. We tried loading the piano with the regular flat furniture dollies with the four caster wheels - no good, couldn't even go up the 1 inch 'step' onto the trailer ramp.

**rlozinak** · January 23, 2024, 08:05 AM

Congrats on the new addition to the family

**Uncle Bob** · January 23, 2024, 09:12 AM

There are a lot of variables in deciding what's the "best" method to employ. Personally I'd prefer to see the package before deciding what I'd do because there is likely more than one "good/safe" way to get this done.

That said, based on the discussion points throughout this post, I'd probably lean toward the refer dolly approach if you're committed to doing it yourselves. The taller framework and the ability to bind the cooker to the frame with the firmly attached strap will give the dolly "driver" the best chance at control. To break that down I'm going to do some story telling to make the points I've learned are important.

When we moved to Texas one of the more ungainly items was my toolbox. It's six feet long, 30" deep, and 67" tall...........and weighs about a ton loaded. As this picture shows they used six guys to get it up the ramp. It's different from your cooker, but two points are to be made that apply. First is the ramp. The longer the ramp the less steep the incline, making it easier to make the climb. Doing the stairs, without a ramp, and with a refer dolly, isn't overly difficult, but does require some experience to maintain balance to approach each step squarely (a critical point), and some strength by, especially, the driver at the steering/lifting end. A ramp might make it easier, and still use a refer dolly. The second is the number of assistants. Again, in the picture below there are two guys who are tasked with steering, mostly, at the top and four pushing, and/or holding if needing to stop, as well as being aware of maintaining any balancing needed. I'm going to guess your kamado is a bit top heavy which will need added attention by both driver and pushers. My toolbox was purposely loaded in the bottom drawers to maintain an easier to control (lower) center of balance.

Trying to visualize your situation, I would think you'd be good with a crew of three, one at the top, two at the bottom, applying the logic above.

Another story. In my younger years my first wife was a piano tuner, which led to me having a side hustle as a piano mover. I enlisted a good buddy of mine because he was a bright guy who learned easily. One of our jobs still makes me smile. A guy was moving from one house to another and had a grand piano he needed moved. He was very particular and didn't want to entrust it to the general household goods mover he hired for the rest of his furnishings. My buddy and I showed up with our grand piano board (basically a carpeted, long plank with straps). Each of us were six feet tall and a somewhat slender 175 pounds. The piano owner wanted to know where the rest of our crew was and got real nervous when we said we were it. He went on to tell the story of how difficult it was for the five(!), big, strapping moving guys who brought it to the house he was leaving. I tried to ease his mind by suggesting that that many guys probably spent more effort fighting each other rather than helping as there were too many "agendas". He did let us do our job, and because we apparently amazed him he gave us a generous tip. Steve and I had done this enough we worked well as a team and had the rhythm. That, and we were young and dumb enough with the strength of men at their physical peak in life.

Some thoughts about whether to move the kamado "naked" or still in the crate. Either way, taking out all the accessories and removable parts to lighten the load is best. Looking at the pictures of the KK, the hinge/spring stuff makes the back side less than easy to strap to a dolly. The front side is somewhat better, but still curved and with the lid latch protruding. If you left it in the crate, you'd have an absolutely flat side and bottom to tie/strap to the dolly frame. The key point here is to have the dolly and crate solidly joined so you're only dealing with one large unit to control. People get themselves in trouble when they think that the weight of the item moved will keep it secured enough on a separate rolling device. It doesn't work that way, you'll have multiple things that may choose to go different directions if not on absolutely smooth surfaces. Alternatively it may work to move it uncrated. Those four inch casters might work well enough on a longer, less slope, ramp, but also might be marginal for control purposes. I suspect they're intended for relatively flat, smooth surfaces. Again, with a moderate slope and a steerer at the top, and two balancer/pushers at the bottom that might work. Be mindful of how aggressive any traction aids on the ramp surface might be. Mild gritty or slight ribbed surfaces would probably work okay, punched/pointy holes/slots could be more of an obstruction.

Hopefully that gives you some additional things to think about to give you a better chance at moving it yourself if that's your choice. Still, my piano moving story suggests that if you hire the process out to a legitimately experienced moving team with proven equipment you'll have a less stressful outcome.

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