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    I give you the saddest Detroit-style pizza you have ever seen...

    So you know that dough that I was worried that it wasn't rising? Welp, it didn't.

    Still, I decided to use it anyway as a practice run and I am glad I did. I learned some things.

    I oiled my 10x14 Lloyd's pan and plopped the dough in the middle. I stretched it out as best I could, then covered it with a towel. Every thirty minutes, I came back and stretched it out more. Pizza rewards patience it seems as after two hours it easily conformed to the edges of the pan. I guess you really do have to let the gluten relax.

    Of course, it was by no means risen....take a look at this....

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    Yeah....this is not promising, but away we go!

    I tried an interesting technique in which one sorta parbakes the crust so that the edges do not get overly burnt. (This was a problem on the last and only time I've done this style of pizza. So I put down a layer of pepperoni and then a light layer of cheese, being careful not to get much near the edges just yet.

    (I did not use Wisconsin brick cheese, but an approximation I found online that is 40% Munster, 40% Monterey jack, and 20% mild white cheddar.)

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    I carefully put the pan in a 550 F oven that had been pre-heating for half an hour. I also finally got to use these. They help!

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    After seven minutes, I added the rest of my cheese, getting it all into the edges, more pepperoni, and the racing stripes made from homemade sauce.



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    Back into the oven it went for four more minutes and here we are after removing from the pan. Is this not the absolutely saddest pizza you have ever seen?

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    I didn't burn the frico, but it also is not as dark as I would have liked. There is an annoying amount of cheese separation, too, although that may also be the fat from the pepperoni getting over everything. And, of course, this isn't Detroit-style pizza; this is Detroit-style flatbread. Le sigh.

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    Bottom was decent.

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    Flat, flat, flat.....

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    Oddly enough, it wasn't bad. Almost leaning towards a tavern-style pizza crust. I've never actually had Wisconsin brick cheese, but the munster/jack/cheddar combo is slightly tangy. I like it. I also nailed the sauce. I actually spent the time to cook it down to where when you drag a spoon through it, it leaves a trail. It reminds me of Pizza Hut's thick sauce, but without the sugar.

    Whatever I did, I guess I just I didn't activate the yeast! It wasn't dead as I took some yeast from the same Rapid Rise packet and bloomed it. (Part of my error was blindly following a YouTube video.)

    The dough recipe is pretty simple:

    100% King Arthur Bread Flour
    75% Water
    2% Salt
    0.5% Yeast

    This was a good practice run. Two other changes I will make will be to cut down on the oil in the pan. I didn't use much, but the small amount I did use gave the pizza a greasy feel on the bottom. I am also going to dispense with the top layer of pepperoni; it's too much and got the pizza too greasy.

    Onward I go!
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    #2
    actually, except for the yeast rise (or lack thereof), that looks pretty good. you could let it go a little longer to brown more but there's a fine line between browned and burnt....

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    • jtw
      jtw commented
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      you noted that it was too greasy, but it strikes me as a little heavy on the sauce. perhaps that is contributing to the overall sense of grease/wetness?

      otherwise, honestly i'd eat the heck out of that pizza, and here i am in the land of plenty.

    • Michael_in_TX
      Michael_in_TX commented
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      I did pile on the sauce. I should have used a smaller spoon. I got the width of the racing stripes where I wanted them, but the height of the sauce could have been 1/4 to a 1/2 less than what I made it.

    #3
    I have faith you’ll get it figured out. I’d eat that.

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    • HawkerXP
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      +1

    #4
    Winning ugly is still a win!

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      #5
      I am envious of the cook on the crust bottom. That is what tends to cause me issues on my Detroit style pizzas. I’ve learned a trick over the years by placing over my stovetop. It crisps it up nicely.

      I think you done good

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        #6
        Originally posted by au4stree View Post
        I am envious of the cook on the crust bottom. That is what tends to cause me issues on my Detroit style pizzas.
        If I assume that in this pan in a 550 F oven in this rack position, I get the bottom where I want at 11 minutes, I might try adding the remainder of the cheese earlier, around the five minute mark and not the seven minute mark, and keep the total bake time to 11 minutes. (That shouldn't affect the bottom, as the heat is coming from below.)

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          #7
          At least your "mistake" was still good enough to eat, and ya know what to do next time. BTW - I'd eat that and smile...

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            #8
            A lesson you can happily eat is never a bad thing

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              #9
              You saved it, doesn't look that bad at all. Your crust bottom has great color. Hey try again! I've been making pizza dough for years and continue to experiment for better results. I do measure all ingredients by weight making fine adjustments easier. Starting to realize that less is better for toppings including the cheese. I have been increasing the amount of tomato sauce used.

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              • Michael_in_TX
                Michael_in_TX commented
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                I need to get a digital gram scale to go along with my digital kitchen scale. I need a better way to measure things in the 1-10g range, like salt and yeast.

              #10
              Saddest??? I think not ... (looks pretty darn good from here).

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              • Jerod Broussard
                Jerod Broussard commented
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                Sad I didn't get any!!!

              • Porkies
                Porkies commented
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                What he ^^ said

              #11
              Pizza is pizza. Either good or poor. I think I'm more impressed that you cook on an electric stove. Wow!

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              • Michael_in_TX
                Michael_in_TX commented
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                I've always thought about upgrading to gas (although I have since learned that it is not necessarily an upgrade), but this range came with the house. It's 22 years old and shows no sign of letting up!

              #12
              I would name it: Honey who shrunk the pizza” style pizza. Glad it tasted good.

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                #13
                “I need to get a digital gram scale to go along with my digital kitchen scale. I need a better way to measure things in the 1-10g range, like salt and yeast.​”

                This one has served me well: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003S...b_b_asin_title

                If you get one, it’s helpful to have some small calibration weights on hand. Turns out THESE are cheaper than most … and just as, if not more, accurate.
                Last edited by MBMorgan; October 7, 2024, 10:23 PM.

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                • Michael_in_TX
                  Michael_in_TX commented
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                  Thank you!

                • realdocBBQ
                  realdocBBQ commented
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                  That's a heck of a tip on the coins! Never woulda thought of that! Thanks! Now, of course, I just need a good scale to do grams, as well. But the one you linked looks like a max capacity of 220g. I'll need to get one bigger than that, or I'll end up with 2 - actually 3, since I have one now that doesn't do grams. Ugh! I have enough shite in my kitchen already!

                • Michael_in_TX
                  Michael_in_TX commented
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                  realdocBBQ I know....but I'm coming to the conclusion that one really does need two scales. I have two digital kitchen scales and both are accurate and agree with each other (reasonable) above 50g or so, but they are both terrible at less than 20g.

                #14
                The best thing about making pizza is that it almost always tastes good, and the bottom of your crust looks delicious!

                Having said that, 75% is way too much water. I’ve had great results with this 66.7% recipe, which is taken from coreyo ’s epic thread: https://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/fo...zza-techniques
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                One of my best:
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                The cheapo $8 scale I bought just for yeast. It’s been working just fine for two years. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...e?ie=UTF8&th=1

                Good luck!
                Last edited by Sid P; October 8, 2024, 07:18 AM.

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                  #15
                  The last time I made Naan bread I had problems with the rise. The house was little on the cool side. Maybe that had something to do with it

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                  • Michael_in_TX
                    Michael_in_TX commented
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                    I wondered this as well. I had the house at 66 F the evening I made the dough.

                  • Porkies
                    Porkies commented
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                    My toaster oven has a setting for rising dough if the house is too cool. It comes in handy because in the summer I run the house cool to help keep the humidity down and in the winter I run it cool to save money.
                    Last edited by Porkies; October 8, 2024, 01:24 PM. Reason: clarity

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