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    Convenience, authenticity, and in between. Kinda long, I think too hard sometimes.

    I enjoy thinking about this. I enjoy it because I’m not as good at making stuff as I am at making stuff look good in photos, and even with photos I’d rather take a few shots and say, “Eh, good enough,” than go get some ring lights etc and make really quality stuff. I’m okay with that; I’m happy being true to myself. I’m not going to spend 3 days making cassoulet when I can make a simple stew in half a day. I’m not going to cure my own brisket for pastrami. I’m lazy.

    On the other hand, there is beauty in simplicity, and not everything that is authentic is also complicated. Italian pasta sauces can be Sunday sauce, or they can be tomato, basil, and garlic. And just because I’m lazy doesn’t mean that I’ll settle for “good enough” when excellence isn’t that far away. Which is one of the nice things about bbq: learn your tools, learn your meat, learn your process, and really good Q is simple. I’m going to stop short of calling it easy, but I want to say that it is. But if I do that, my next Q will be jinxed.

    And that brings me to something I want to share, a recipe for Persian Meatballs that came in my social media feed. Take a minute and look it over…. Okay. Done? Good.

    Now, I thought about this. And you know what? That would probably taste pretty good. It might not be very authentic, but it’s going to be a good meal. But will it be as good as these Persian Meatballs? Or these? I picked those randomly, there are thousands of choices out there; and even the ones I linked take the convenience step of using spice blends rather than having the spices on hand. Having them on hand gets expensive if you don’t live in the Middle East! But you get the idea. It’s not authentic, but it’s also not especially convenient; convenient would be buying a frozen Persian Meatball dinner! It’s in between. You make it, and there’s some technique, and you kinda-hafta know what you’re doing. But it isn’t hard, or complicated, and it’s going to taste good… it will be good enough.

    So I’m tossed, a little bit. What’s the goal here? Is there a target? What’s the payoff? Brillat-Savarin, in The Physiology of Taste, ruminated on the paradox of the art of gastronomy; it is the only art that is intended to be destroyed, and so it leaves the participant satisfied, but also a bit sad. The more work, the more risk; the more risk, the better the food; the better the food, the more astonishment at the brilliance of the art, but also the more of the letdown knowing it is over… the only delight being the memory of the experience and the knowledge that there are more experiences like it waiting!

    This, I think, is why we love hosting guests. If I make something incredibly complex, nail it, and feed the two of us, that’s a win, but it’s also over, we’re still going to watch Wheel of Fortune, and I still have to do the dishes. The food was incredible, but it was dropped into the middle of humdrum, daily life. But if I host a bbq with family and friends, there is the anticipation, the planning, the greeting, the friendship and stories and sharing and laughter, then the great food… and an immense feeling of satisfaction. It was a hell of a lot of work, but the payoff was worth it.

    So now it cycles back to the original musing, on convenience, authenticity, and in between. Every one of us decides where to draw what have to be shifting lines, lines that shift based on the circumstances. And some things are worth learning in depth. I can spend a Sunday afternoon and make a Sunday sauce that’s as good as anyone’s: I put the work in, I messed it up a couple times, I figured it out, and now I’m pretty confident with it. The payoff is going to exceed the investment, even if the next step is watching WoF. (Plus it freezes well, and makes so much sauce that we can have it once a month for probably 6 months.) Same with a few other things. But mostly, for me, I work at making simple stuff well. Simple stuff good. I recognize and understand the cliche of being an old retired guy pretending to be good at something; I embrace that. I want to be the best cliche I can possibly be. When it’s all said and done, I want the food to taste good. Because the food either tastes good, or it doesn’t. That is the only thing that is relevant.
    Last edited by Mosca; February 27, 2024, 09:05 AM.

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    Here is what I read into your pontification. There is elegance and beauty in following your bliss. But you are invested in each cook and want it to be the best it can be without it taking on the complexity of a rocket launch. There are things you love and those you are less excited about but you want to keep
    learning and riffing and enjoying meals with friends!! Like life an exquisite meal ends and all we have are memories. Inspiration to live with creativity, authenticity, and walk through our mistakes with grace is part of it. The duality of not taking oneself too seriously while simultaneously commanding the standard of ones expectations is the bleeding edge of where our food fantasy meets reality and hopefully a lasting impression for someone we cook for. Cheers to you Mosca for putting it all out there. I feel this too, plus a lot more than I can’t put in words. Today my oldest is 6 and I’m baking him a boxed Pillsbury strawberry cake because thats what he wanted. There is a lot of feelings going on . . . ⏳⌛️🌞☀️🌎🌍🌏🌕🌖🌗🌘🌑🌒🌓🌔🌙🎂🍰🍓🍰🍓🍰🔥🔥🐿️

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    • MsTwiggy
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      If my son remembers the home hearth and me preparing a meal then that is a good memory and I would be very satisfied with that. I too remeber the kitchens of my childhood and teenagehood and they were a sanctuary🔥 🔥 🐿️

    • hoovarmin
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      Hey Miranda, I'm always looking to hire a good therapist in my practice if you are getting weary of Seattle. Just sayin'

    • MsTwiggy
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      My n’th calling hoovarmin I am beyond weary but press on like Shackleton 🧗🏔️🌋🥾🪓🔥🔥🐿️

    #3
    I wrestle with this dilemma all the time. There's a part of me that feels relentlessly bound to doing things "authentically." It is a cruel master. On the other hand, it has brought delight and joy on many an occasion. My wife was the other side of the coin, and she had more fun in life than me, of that there can be no doubt. To be sure, some of that rubbed off and enriched my life. Great post, Tom. It scratched an itch I had but could not name.

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      #4
      You cook “and” do the dishes! I hope my wife doesn’t read this!

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      • Mosca
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        My mantra is STAY OUT OF MY KITCHEN.

        In return for this, I haven’t done any laundry in over 30 years, except when MJ was sick.

      • smokenoob
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        Mosca 🤔🤔🤔😁👍

      #5
      wow. You almost lost me with " ruminated on the paradox of the art of gastronomy; it is the only art that is intended to be destroyed, and so it leaves the participant satisfied, but also a bit sad" but I perservered.

      I'm on team simple. I don't need to find himalayan saffron to make a dish. I have a pretty good range of spices and herbs, don't need to go crazy.

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      • Mosca
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        I’ll go crazy if I'm intrigued, and if the recipe isn’t too complicated. Making a mechanical analogy, I put a supercharger on my Miata, but I would never attempt to rebuild the engine. The supercharger sounds hard, but it’s just making sure everything bolts up, belts are tight, and the ECU knows what to do. But the rebuild, that is the real deal.

        Taking the analogy further, most of my cooking is more analogous to doing brakes and oil changes.

      #6
      All I can say to that is that we buy the best and freshest ingredients that we can. If it's authentic that's great but not necessary. It needs to look great and taste great. If we are going through the effort to make a dish, we have to make it to the best of our ability and resources, which can be limited in our area. Always looking for ways to better our cooks. If we have some lead time we can look to Amazon to find ingredients that are impossible to find here. Actually trying a new pizza dough recipe to try out on friends Thursday. I don't mind if it doesn't work out, I learned something.
      ​​

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      • Mosca
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        I admit to being really slack at plating. It’s not a priority for me… because the meal is going to be destroyed!

        My art is relentlessly representational. It stands for exactly what it is, no more and no less.

      #7
      It's the followship of food philosophy. I struggle with the desire to try making most dishes from scratch, but only having time to use pre-mixed or substitute ingredients. I'm hoping that once I retire I'll be able to start with more scratch ingredients, but I know I'll still have limits of time and expense. So I've settled on the same reasoning that I use for woodworking or in my career. That is, I estimate my resources of money, energy and patience, look at the deadline, then do the best I can with what I have in the time I have. (Unless I just want to order a pizza.)

      I do have one quibble with Mosca's reasoning. There is another art that is meant to be destroyed - the Tibetan sand Mandala is dismantled with a great deal of ceremony, like the ceremony of praying, toasting, carving and eating a nice roast. I do best when I keep a Zen mindset and focus on doing each thing as well as I can.

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      • Mosca
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        I was thinking domino mazes, as well. But Brillat-Savarin was writing about an entire branch of art, like painting, sculpting, music, etc. That was pretty heady stuff back then!

      #8
      I was an art minor in college. Artists by their very nature are meticulous and perfectionists. You take an idea that burns in your minds eye and you attempt to recreate that vision in some form of media. Rarely are they completely satisfied because the package does not necessarily make the product. Yet it’s that burning desire and passion that keeps the artist wanting more because he never quite achieves the ideal.

      So it is with cooking for me. My wife constantly says she doesn’t understand all the steps, would rather have a simple grilled ribeye. But the artist in me wants that idea, be it mine or someone else’s, to spew forth onto the canvas. The combination of perfectly prepared, seasoned, plated then photographed completes the image and provides a degree of satisfaction. The destruction of the work is also part of the total creation because it evokes the much needed satisfactory praise from the recipient. If Rembrandt got a thumbs down, he would still continue to create, it’s baked into his DNA.

      For most of use we will never be culinary Rembrandts. But call it a hobby or a driving passion, many of use continue to have that minds eye vision. It drives, it haunts and yes it sometimes angers. Personally I plan my weeks around weekend cooks. We tend to worship our big meals. Of course simplicity is never ruled out. I still enjoy a good peanut butter and banana sandwich as well as a well prepared châteaubriand.

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        #9
        One line stood out more that all the rest to me and really resonated.

        "I want to be the best cliche I can possibly be."

        I really like that and agree. Not really going to get into why, but that says a lot about who you are, and I like what it says. Good job brother.

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          #10
          My motto: K.I.S.S- Keep It Simple Smoker

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            #11
            I have to do a new recipe by breaking it down to it’s smallest parts, making sure that I follow the slightest nuance of the preparation. Thinking about the traditional cooking methods, spices, and historical perspectives for weeks help me make it real.

            After the 1st cook, and learning all that I can about the dish; I am continually trying to simplify it and make it ‘my own’.

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            • Mosca
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              That is an interesting process. I like it.

            • MsTwiggy
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              Yes!! I really like the simplification (keeping the essence) until its is yours🔥🔥🐿️

            #12
            Originally posted by Johnny Booth View Post
            I have to do a new recipe by breaking it down to it’s smallest parts, making sure that I follow the slightest nuance of the preparation. Thinking about the traditional cooking methods, spices, and historical perspectives for weeks help me make it real.
            After the 1st cook, and learning all that I can about the dish; I am continually trying to simplify it and make it ‘my own’.
            I was going to run out of room in a comment:

            I have an additional restriction in that MJ can’t eat a lot of the things that are in most good things… onions, tomatoes, pepper (including chili powder, paprika, etc), vinegar, citrus… some things, like onions, we can get away with, cooked and in small amounts, but others, like tomatoes, are out completely.

            (This frustrates her to no end. She loves these things. Every now and then she says the hell with it and we get pizza. She’d rather pay the price. Once in a while.)

            So I find myself looking at things and deciding how to adapt them, and even if they are worth adapting. One success is making spaghetti and meatballs without red sauce; I make it primavera but leave out onions. (Roasted mixed peppers can carry a lot of the load here!) When I make the meatballs I grate one sweet onion (sweet onions aren’t as bad as yellow onions) for 4-5 lbs of meat, so that, cooked, doesn’t really affect her.

            Other things, like bbq… that’s more problematic. For example, half the chicken thighs get bbq’d/seasoned, the other half get salted then cooked plain. Rib racks get cut in half and done the same way.

            And this is part of my sitting and thinking about things. Written recipes become templates rather than instructions. It becomes more about buying foods she can eat, without having a plan, and then finding ways to sub those in while making good food.

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            • Johnny Booth
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              I can relate. I suffer from abdominal migraines. All the fun of a severe migraine with uncontrollable projectile vomiting every 15 minutes for about 24 hours. After 25 years, I have a long list of things I cannot eat. God Bless you, as my wife has much the same role as you to make sure I don’t have an episode. Luckily protein is not an issue, mostly processed foods.

            • fzxdoc
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              Oh what a horrible problem for you, Johnny Booth ! And to have suffered from it for so long.

              It sounds as though you've got all of the culprit foods figured out by now and can still enjoy some favorite foods without this major mishap occurring. I wish you well.

              Kathryn

            #13
            Whew! Interesting thread, but getting pretty deep around here! Dealing in this thread with BBQ Existentialism, and in another thread fzxdoc and acorgihouse are carrying on, apparently about transforming Brussel sprouts into Brussels Linen. We may need a Cult thread.
            Last edited by yakima; February 28, 2024, 04:08 PM. Reason: spelling

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            • fzxdoc
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              Ix-nay on the Brussel Sprouts bspr-ay. 😫



              K.

            #14
            I think that the pleasure cooking, which includes hunting/gathering, prep, and presentation is often more about creativity than anything else. As Troutman suggests, part of it is envisioning a dish in the mind's eye and then seeing how close you can come to it IRL.

            I have a ton of hobbies, and I have nurtured each of them over the years with lots of purchases, having to have just the right toy "necessary" to express my creativity to its fullest. In fact, getting the toys is part of the fun. BBQ and cooking, with or without entertaining, are no different.

            All of this said, the important component for me is choosing when to cook to my achievable level of perfection. It doesn't happen every day--some days I just need to get the darn food on the table and get on with life. But there are plenty of days where it's pure pleasure to produce a beautiful and satisfying meal.

            Kathryn

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              #15
              Originally posted by fzxdoc View Post

              It doesn't happen every day--some days I just need to get the darn food on the table and get on with life.
              That’s what’s known as your “peanut butter and sliced banana sandwich moment”

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              • fzxdoc
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                Absolutely!

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