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    #16
    Last night I did my second cook on the WSC - pizza. The result was a series of pizzas like the one below: neither beautiful nor photogenic. To be honest, some of the others did look slightly better, but we were focused on feeding the masses rather than on taking the best photos. Still, they tasted great and the cooker performed well, as described below.

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    Lighting
    Initially I set up the cooker with the Slow 'N Sear Low Profile, because I thought I might be doing some sausages, but eventually that didn't happen. Advice for other new WSC/SnS owners: to light the SnS I found it easier to put a small number of briquettes in a chimney and put the chimney over the Snap Jet, then transfer the lit briquettes into a corner of the SnS before filling the rest of the SnS with unlit fuel.

    If you put the briquettes in the SnS on the grate over the Snap Jet, the gap between the flame and the briquettes appears to be too large. It might eventually ignite them, but I waited about 15 minutes with no real sign of ignition. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong. David Parrish, do you have any tips for us regarding this?

    Walk
    On that note, I again had a slight run away with the WSC to 248° F, but I was able to bring it back down to below 230 quite easily. I left it at 225 and went for a walk in the hills behind the house with some friends and family. When I came back 90 minutes later it was at 223. And an hour after that it was 222, without any tending of the fire, so it holds temperatures well. When I looked inside, the lit briquettes still occupied just the one corner of the SnS and I'm sure that would easily have lasted many more hours without refilling. (I'm really looking forward to using the SnS in anger.)

    So, with the pizzas prepared, I pulled everything out except the lower grate, poured in the lit briquettes from the SnS, added some more Australian heat beads (I should have used the Weber scoop to get into the habit of measuring, but I forgot), put on the diffuser, then the top grate, then a large stone floor tile. I have a pizza steel on order, but that will not come until next week.

    Open 'er up
    Then I basically opened everything wide and stepped back. 30-40 minutes later it was at 600 and still rising. I forgot to check the temperature of the tile with the infrared thermometer but we took an optimistic view and threw the pizza onto the stone with cheerful recklessness (by this point we had enjoyed a few glasses of high-quality Spanish red and our tolerance for high-risk grilling had increased accordingly).

    I think we did 6 pies in total, one after the other, to feed 8 people. The routine the wife and I developed was for her to bring the pizza on a flat tray on a piece of baking paper, then I would open the lid, slide the pizza on its paper across onto the tile and close the lid again, about 3 seconds. We then gave it 6 minutes or so, and in a couple of cases another two minutes just in case. During this time, the WSC temperature gauge was apparently fixed immovably to 550° F. If it lost any heat during the lid openings, it made it up very quickly.

    The result was very crispy pizza, again, noticeably better than oven-cooked. Everything got eaten. On the whole, given that this was only our second go on the WSC, and that we did not tweak our existing recipe to suit this approach to cooking pizzas, and given that the tile on which we were cooking was pretty thin, it was an impressive performance. I think we may want to have a look at the dough and experiment with changing that. I would also like more of a wood-fired taste, so that's another thing to think about. Perhaps a higher temperature?

    Shutdown
    Incidentally, we then went out into the field by the house to light a bonfire and set off some fireworks (basically we held Guy Fawkes night a day early) so I closed down the cooker. I came back to the house about 40 minutes later to get something and the WSC was down to 300° F, and an hour later it seemed to be completely out. It is, as promised, responsive.

    Next cook, probably not before next weekend, will likely be a leg of lamb adapted from Meathead's recipe.

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    • kmhfive
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      Great news! Good looking Pizza too.

    • RonB
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      Those Heat Beads claim to be smokeless. That may be why you are not getting the taste you want.Try adding some lump charcoal if available, or some wood chunks to add some smoke, (and flavor).

    • CaptainMike
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      And that answers another question!

    #17
    What a wonderful post, ruralcooking . I hadn't tried maintaining high temps on my WSCGC yet (higher than 350-400° or so), so it's good to hear that it holds those 500-600°F temps nicely.

    Sounds like you had a fun day with your new toy.

    BTW what is an Australian heat bead?

    Kathryn

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      #18
      Originally posted by fzxdoc View Post
      BTW what is an Australian heat bead?
      Kathryn, heat beads are a brand of briquettes sold in the UK, that originally seem to be from Australia. They have a good reputation for burning hot and long without leaving any unpleasant odours. Many briquettes commonly available in the US, such as Kingsford, cannot be found over here.

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      • fzxdoc
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        Thanks for the additional info, ruralcooking .

        Kathryn

      #19
      It's always quicker to use a chimney over just through briquettes in the SnS. Pizza looks great!

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      • ruralcooking
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        Thanks Dave - I'll mostly stick to the chimney in that case.

      #20
      Question on efficiency vs quality of end product.
      Cookers like the WSCG and Kamados can run for many hours into days on a single load of coal/wood. I’ve set up my pk360 to run for a minimum of 12 hours. All this is great but are we producing the right kind of smoke? Optimal kind/amount of smoke?

      Seems to to me that stickburners run much hotter (the fire part that is) and something like the KBQ runs very fast and hot and results in rave reviews.

      So are we better off running more efficient, spend the big bucks on sticks, or go back to a plain uninsulated Weber kettle with SNS that doesn’t run as efficient?

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        #21
        Nice!

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          #22
          Originally posted by Polarbear777 View Post
          So are we better off running more efficient, spend the big bucks on sticks, or go back to a plain uninsulated Weber kettle with SNS that doesn’t run as efficient?
          This is an excellent question Polarbear777, but perhaps it is wasted here in an obscure thread like this!

          My ultimate criterion is the plate test: if the plates are empty, the food was good enough.

          Like one of the other commenters earlier in this thread, I see the WSC and the Slow 'n Sear as tools. As is the case with any tool, there's a lot of personal preference involved, and a lot of discussion and analysis that (as I see it) probably does not affect the end product as much as the skill of the user.

          Having said that, one of the reasons I have a Weber Summit Charcoal instead of (say) a Weber kettle is that the former allows relatively unskilled people like myself to do some things - such as maintaining steady temperatures in fairly cold weather conditions - that would otherwise require more experience and probably more time spent messing around.

          Ultimately the most important thing is simply that you are using whatever tools you have to make the food, and making people happy with that food.

          RC

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            #23
            An impromptu Round 3 for the WSC. I had intended to wait until Friday but yesterday afternoon my wife revealed that she had bought a small boneless joint of pork for dinner. I forgot to weigh it but it was about 4 inches thick. I promptly offered to do a low and slow on the Weber Summit Charcoal, and she somewhat sceptically agreed.

            It was the first time I have used the Slow 'n Sear to cook something, but due to my earlier test (see above) I had a good idea of how to light it and put it all in place. It was all a bit of a rush, as I knew I didn't have much time, so there are no photos of the setup.

            Opening the WSC I found quite a lot of briquettes remaining from Saturday's pizza cook (detailed above), so I pulled those out for recycling. I then added a dozen briquettes to a chimney and put it over the Snap Chat. Once they were glowing, I transferred them to a corner of the Slow 'n Sear and added the recycled briquettes, so that the Slow 'n Sear was about half full. I then put in the drip pan, added the top grate and adjusted the vents.

            While the chimney was going I took the piece of pork and added some Kansas Sweet & Smoky rub from Firefly, but only over a portion of the joint because my children are still sensitive to strong flavours. This is what it looked like at that point.

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            I then pushed the ThermoPro TP20 probe into the center of the meat, at which point it read 43 F, as it had just come out of the fridge. Then I plonked the meat directly on the top grate, and tweaked the temperature until the grill temperature was stable-ish at around 225. I somehow managed to lose the clip for the grill temperature probe, so I improvised with some rolled-up kitchen foil. This was around 4 PM. I then left for an hour or so to run some errands.

            When I came back the grill temperature was about the same, possibly slightly lower. The meat temperature was about 87. I was aiming at 160 for the meat, so this left me with quite a bit to do, but I had already warned the wife that we would not be done until around 7:30.

            The temperature gradually crept up until it hit 158, at which point I opened up the vents, opened the lid and moved the whole lump of meat over to the hot side of the grate, directly over the Slow 'n Sear. I then spent a few minutes searing it on all sides, by which time internal temperature was 160. I then pulled out the probe, transferred the meat to a heated dish, and trotted off to the table at about 7:30 PM.

            This is what it looked like:

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            The meat was extremely juicy - I have always found dryness to be the biggest risk with pork - tender and tasty. It had also maintained its structure (for want of a better word) so that it didn't just fall apart into a mushy mass when I cut into it. My wife and I enjoyed the rub, but my children found the bark a bit too spicy. Nevertheless, they gobbled up the pork itself. A big, unambiguous thumbs-up from the whole family.

            I am frankly surprised, as the meat and the cook are the same as always. Cooking in the WSC at a low temperature made a huge difference. And the instructions, courtesy of Meathead, worked exactly as advertised, which gives me the confidence to try some of the other recipes in his book.

            Finally, after removing the meat and closing the WSC, I opened the top and bottom vents to burn out the charcoal. After the meal I went back to put the cover on the WSC and found that it was roaring away happily at 400°F, even with the limited amount of charcoal left in the Slow 'n Sear. That surprised me. I could probably have done another cook with that. It really is gentle on fuel.
            Last edited by ruralcooking; November 8, 2017, 05:21 AM.

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            • RonB
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              Thanx - I am enjoying your culinary travels and your writing style very much.

            • CaptainMike
              CaptainMike commented
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              I agree RonB, some people really have a way with words, while others no have way.

            #24
            Nice summary, ruralcooking . I don't know what part of the pig the joint came from (I'm guessing the shoulder?); it's nice to hear it turned out so well. I would have been fearful to take a shoulder roast up to 160°F, then slice and serve, because none of the tough connective tissue would have gelatinized at that temp, but, as you said so well in an earlier post, if the plates are clean, it was a good cook. Congrats!

            Kathryn

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              #25
              Originally posted by fzxdoc View Post
              I don't know what part of the pig the joint came from (I'm guessing the shoulder?); it's nice to hear it turned out so well. I would have been fearful to take a shoulder roast up to 160°F, then slice and serve, because none of the tough connective tissue would have gelatinized at that temp
              That's an excellent point Kathryn, and one I should have checked before I started cooking. I guess in retrospect I was subconsciously relying on experience, as I knew from cooking the same thing using the oven in the kitchen that it would be done and (at worst) edible in 3-4 hours. I wasn't there when this was bought, but I assume that this was a rolled loin [EDIT and thus technically not a joint?], rather than a boned shoulder. I would like to try a shoulder sometime though.

              RC
              Last edited by ruralcooking; November 8, 2017, 09:23 AM.

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                #26
                Oh, now I see, ruralcooking , thanks for the clarification. I do pork loins all the time for shorter cooks. Meathead has a good recipe for pork loin here that I tried with some modifications. It was a fun cook.

                Whenever I do pork butt (upper shoulder to spine) it's always for pulled pork or I'll cube it for a stew. Sometimes I find it cut at the butcher's into country style ribs. Maybe I should try something different with that cut.

                Anyway, congrats again on that tasty-looking cook.

                Kathryn

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                  #27
                  Originally posted by ruralcooking View Post

                  This is an excellent question Polarbear777, but perhaps it is wasted here in an obscure thread like this!

                  My ultimate criterion is the plate test: if the plates are empty, the food was good enough.

                  Having said that, one of the reasons I have a Weber Summit Charcoal instead of (say) a Weber kettle is that the former allows relatively unskilled people like myself to do some things - such as maintaining steady temperatures in fairly cold weather conditions - that would otherwise require more experience and probably more time spent messing around.

                  RC
                  Good point. Plates will almost always be empty from any cook on this site. My question is more about optimization approaching perfection and related smoke quality and fire temp. Reason I posted here is because I’m extremely interested in the summit, but with a fan controller on a standard kettle it’s as foolproof.
                  So is there really a difference in efficiency vs smoke quality? Is a Komodo Kamado better than a KBQ ( most opposite I can think of) or stickburner at infusing the meat with the right amount and type of smoke? At less of an extreme is the faster burning fire in a standard kettle better than the slower fire in a summit? Probably very little practical difference but without highly controlled side by side tests we will never really know.

                  There are definitely other advantages unrelated to this question like working well through cold or wet weather and not having to refuel as often on long cooks.

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                  • kmhfive
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                    I think that there are ways to adapt many cookers. With a kettle you add more or less chunks of wood on the coals to get the smoke you want. In a Kamado-style folks use a "smoke pot" to get a clean smoke profile. There’s ways!

                  #28
                  Originally posted by Polarbear777 View Post
                  So is there really a difference in efficiency vs smoke quality? Is a Komodo Kamado better than a KBQ ( most opposite I can think of) or stickburner at infusing the meat with the right amount and type of smoke?
                  I was aware of the smoke quality issue, but I have no practical experience of the pros and cons. Hopefully somebody far more knowledgeable than myself (@Max Good?) can comment.

                  RC

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                    #29
                    ...how does the Bubba Keg (or whatever it's called now) compare? Seems like they have similar construction...

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