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A Tale of Two Pork Butts (and Cookers!)

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    A Tale of Two Pork Butts (and Cookers!)

    So yesterday we made a trip to Costco and I picked up some stuff. For myself, 2 packages of dual boneless butts, 1 package of 3 racks of baby back ribs, 1 package of 3 St. Louis ribs, and a double pack of beef plate ribs (Choice) at $7.99/lb, something over 12 lbs, about $90 for that last.* Oh, and a double pack of Kirkland bratwust - what is there, like 16 in these?

    For a buddy, 3 packer briskets, 16#, 16# and 17# - he wanted the biggest they had - there was a 21#'er, but the vacuum packaging was a bit loose on it. Couldn't find where it was leaking, but I didn't want to risk it, so I left that one. Additionally, for him, 2 packages of dual pork butts, 16-17lbs per package.

    *I put back a full pork belly I wanted, The Wife reminded me I have 2 seasoned packages of 1/3 pork belly each in the freezer. <sigh> I still wanted it, but when I got home and got all mine put in the chest freezer, there wouldn't have been room. Soooo, I guess it was a good thing - I won't let HER know that, though!

    Overall, I spent about $600 on meat, and The Wife's eyerolls were pretty epic, altogether. We got SO many comments from people in the store who said they wanted to follow me home, or asking where I lived so they could come over, or whatever... it was pretty funny after the 6th or 8th one. I bet we had 20 people express the same sentiments. lol

    Additionally, after shopping, Hahn Appliance Warehouse, Home Depot, Best Buy and Costco (the biggest disappointment, surprisingly), we ended up ordering a new fridge, as well, so I can have a full-width lower shelving for some better meat dry-brining opportunities. This also frees up the older side-by-side to go into the garage and become a 'meat fridge'.

    Pretty sure this is the one we ended up with:



    Whirlpool 36-inch Wide French Door Refrigerator - 27 cu. ft.

    So anyways, on to this morning's cook.

    We have family and friends visiting over the next couple of weeks, so I decided to cook up a couple of pork butts today and we can freeze plenty of it to use during the visits - I'll be doing plenty of fresh cooking, too, but this will be a great thing to pull out of the freezer and heat up for a quick meal.

    With my new Camp Chef 24" vertical propane smoker, I'd only done a break-in with a 1 lb bologna, so I thought I'd do a comparison between my Yoder YS480 and my Camp Chef. Old reliable pellets vs. new propane-powered vertical with some maple wood chunks.

    Got up about 0430 and got to work, had a few things to do, needed to clean up the smokers (I'm bad about that) and get 'em lit off, then salt & season my 2 pork butts. One was notably smaller than the other, I bet it is only 70-80% the size of the other, so that is gonna alter things a bit, but that's ok. I'm a techie, so I'm using all 6 probes on my original Fireboard today for the first time in a good while.

    So I have an ambient probe in each cooker, and a short probe and a long probe in each butt. Here's the combined view:



    Both butts salted with kosher salt and generously sprinkled with my Memphis Dust Plus.

    At the moment, looks like my CC is running a bit hotter than I want, time to go tweak that down just a hair.

    Once I got it all set up, it looks like a pretty wired-up Frankenstein's monster:



    But I needed to come in, sit down and start my first 'refreshment' at 0530ish:



    I'll go snap some pics of the butts in the cookers and tweak that CC down a bit, she's running 290ish at the moment.

    Anyways, stay tuned, I'm interested to see how these butts come out. Of course, with one of them being so much smaller, it isn't exactly apples to apples, either, but it's just for the fun of doing two different cookers at once.


    #2
    Wow, my water pan was already empty on the CC - I had it only filled maybe 1/3-1/2, I'm learning with this new smoker, I don't want to try to carry a full water pan out there. So I just filled it all the way via a pitcher, and tweaked the flame down ever so slightly. But the temp has gone UP. That's gonna bear some watching, I'm not sure what's up. Gonna need to tweak it down some more, I guess, it's at 312ºF and climbing now. Maybe I turned the dial the wrong way....


    BRB.

    Ok, tweaked the short probe into a different spot on that one, turned down the CC a little more, we'll see how it goes.

    Oh, and time for Refreshment 2 of the day before 0630. Dos Equis Amber Especial this time.


    It's gonna be a good day.


    Oh, some pics:



    Last edited by realdocBBQ; July 24, 2022, 05:33 AM.

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    • DaveD
      DaveD commented
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      "And the beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad
      So I had one more for dessert..."

      You're a warrior, sir!

    • tstalafuse
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      You can't drink all day unless you start early in the morning...

    #3
    Great experiment - looking forward to following this over the course of the day!

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    • realdocBBQ
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      The Camp Chef is definitely moving faster - less than 2h in, it's already 20 degrees hotter - some of this may be related to first 45 minutes or so of much hotter temps (~300ºF or so) AND to the fact this is a notably smaller pork butt. Interesting cook, though, and I'm going to really be interested in the difference in bark formation.

    #4
    Great shout on the whirlpool. My LG compressor just crapped out and my repair guy recommended that exact fridge freezer as the one he NEVER has to repair.

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    • Sid P
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      For your and DFPS’s sake I hope he’s right. Considering they regularly used to last 30+ years, the lack of reliability of the current breed is absolutely ridiculous.

    • Michael_in_TX
      Michael_in_TX commented
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      Same.....when my hastily-bought Samsung dies, a Whirlpool will most likely replace it. My AC guy said the same thing.

    • grantgallagher
      grantgallagher commented
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      He also said a bunch of eh hrm, "pro-green energy folks" sued LG to make a more efficient compressor and actually won. So now LG compressors are basically underpowered and fail all the time. Great work.

    #5
    Looking forward to it! I was a minute too late on the $99 Camp Chef deal, and I’ve been waiting for an in-depth for review.

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      #6
      For the Smoke Vault water pan I purchased a metal watering can. Unscrew the sprinkler head and it makes it easy to fill and refill the pan during the cook. Then I screw back on the sprinkler head and use it for its original purpose when not cooking.
      Shop Behren's Galvanized Metal Watering Cans to find durable, sustainable, and recyclable metal.

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        #7
        Looking forward to checking in here during the day and see how it all goes. Thanks for bringing us along!

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          #8
          Looking forward to following this today!

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            #9
            Looking good so far, looking forward to following through out the day

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              #10
              Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24":


              I've already replenished the wood chunks in this a couple of times, put a good amount in there just now, hoping I'll see some pretty good bark out of this. I've not used it for anything yet, so I'm interested to see the difference between the Smoke Vault and my pellet pooper.

              And the Yoder's progress:



              Guess I'm about 4h in and the Yoder hunk is at ~127ºF, the Smoke Vault hunk is at ~146.

              Lookin' good and smellin' better!

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                #11
                One more check-in.

                About 6h in now (near as makes no never mind)

                Yoder butt at 145ºF and Camp Chef smaller butt at a smidge under 160ºF.

                Yoder:



                Camp Chef:




                Think I'm gonna take a little nap. Been up since 0430, got a few beers in me - I'm feelin' the pillow calling me. lol

                See ya'll in a coupla hours.

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                  #12
                  Naptime's over now. lol

                  Yoder butt at 160 internal, roughly 8h in:




                  Camp Chef at 173ºF internal:




                  There is a bit of a difference notable between the two butts in terms of the bark, though not as profound as those pictures might have you think... keep in mind those pics are taken at the same time, but the Yoder butt is a bit larger, thus is progressing slightly slower overall, but in addition, the dazzling sunlight on the Yoder cooking chamber with the lid open and the Camp Chef is being photographed in complete shade in the box-style chamber. It's a difference, and it's notable, but the pictures just don't do either one of them justice - not until we get Smell'O'Vision, anyways!

                  The Yoder is developing the same sticky, moist, reddish-brown bark I'm always used to and have loved for years.

                  The Camp Chef bark is slightly darker, more brownish black, seems like it's going to be more of the 'meteorite' look like you see from stickburners. None of this is surprising.

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                    #13
                    Regarding the Camp Chef water pan, we usually start with it full, then need to add 4c warm water every two hours during long cooks. Keep that thermal mass up to help stabilize the temps.

                    One other tip - try lining the water pan with heavy duty foil. Really helps on the clean-up.

                    Your cooks are looking good. Can't wait to see the finished results.

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                    • realdocBBQ
                      realdocBBQ commented
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                      You're right, that pan is going to be a mess.

                    • Dadof3Illinois
                      Dadof3Illinois commented
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                      I line my water pan with foil and also use a cheap aluminum pan and set it inside the water pan.

                    #14
                    So the Camp Chef climbed about 20-30 degrees the last few hours, which is ok, this helped finish early and now the butt is resting, I pulled it at ~201ish. It's now wrapped in butcher paper and in the faux cambro.


                    Pics:






                    Yoder meat hunk is at 184ºF at the moment.



                    The bark on the Camp Chef version is darker, yes, obviously I think this is from the wood chunks vs pellets. I did replenish the wood all the way up through the stall.

                    I do believe the water pan and consistent propane heat really keep a stable temp, though the thinner metal and the chamber are obviously more susceptible to outside influence - as temps climbed up to 107ºF today, it did rise 20-30º on the cook. My assumption is that this will be pronounced during cold cooks, as well, though with the propane heat source, it should be easy to compensate.

                    Overall, I'm pretty happy with the Camp Chef - I think I want to build some kind of a stand or rolling platform for it. I'd like to get it 8-10" higher, honestly. Not so much bending over to mess with the wood tray and the water pan, and will get meat up closer to eye level. I'm gonna keep my eye open for some kind of solution for this.
                    Last edited by realdocBBQ; July 24, 2022, 03:59 PM.

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                      #15
                      The Butt in pellet grill looks very good.
                      The Butt in the gas chamber looks good also too.
                      Happy eating to you and PBR too.

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