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    Can you call a sandwich a “recipe”?

    Obviously, in the strict meaning of the word, of course you can. But you know what I mean when I ask this: is thinking up different things to put between slices of bread, or in buns, enough to elevate a particular sandwich to a recipe? Barring specific unusual steps or techniques, like starting with French toast for a Monte Cristo, or making a cream sauce to pour over a Turkey Devonshire, or even an open faced roast beef sandwich; is coming up with interesting or unusual combinations of ingredients enough to elevate that from a “variation” to a “recipe”?

    For example, I made that brisket grilled cheese sandwich last week. But at no time did I think I was making anything more than a grilled cheese sandwich with a neat twist, as a way to use up some leftover brisket and cheese slices. The recipe would be “grilled cheese sandwich”, which, while simple, has some pretty specific instructions: a list of ingredients and a grilling technique that many beginners need a couple-three tries to nail down. Once you got that, adding stuff like tomatoes, fried bologna, brisket, pickles… those are new twists, but they aren’t new recipes.

    You could get into the semantics of it: “Well yeah, of course. It’s a recipe that starts with a known recipe, like chicken noodle soup can be made into Italian wedding soup….” But I’m asking specifically about sandwiches, and their simple construction of bread and fillings. (We will leave the discussion of “Is a hot dog a sandwich?” for another time.) (Of course it is. Look at it.)

    My take: No. But that notwithstanding, the language can allow for something like a list of variations to be called a list of sandwich “recipes”… because, after all, the world isn’t only black and white, and what’s important is the communication.

    Clear as mud, I guess.

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    Related: can you patent a method to make a sandwich?

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    • bbqLuv
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      If you could patent a method to make a sandwich, would you enforce it?
      Ask the Earl of Sandwich

    #3
    I would argue that anything that has a measured ingredient is a recipe, sandwich or otherwise.

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    • bbqLuv
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      I assume we can count the measured ingredients

    • tstalafuse
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      bbqLuv Two pickles is a measured ingredient, so is a pinch of something.

    #4
    After reading this and thinking about it, I made a bacon egg and cheese sandwich on a jalapeno bagel for lunch. It was tasty.

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    • bbqLuv
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      Whose recipe?

    • Mosca
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      You made an excellent choice!

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    thought provoking….

    Corporate restaurant hat going on: I’m going to lean that it is a recipe. I worked for a local chain for almost 10 years. We sold burgers and fries as the main items. Fellow Southern California Pitmasters may know Islands. Im paraphrasing because I don’t remember the exact ingredients of a Big Wave Burger. 5 oz bun, 1 oz mustard, 2 oz lettuce, 5 oz burger patty, etc. These “measurements” were needed for costing purposes. Now, did the bun and the burger come to us as a stand alone unit? Yes, no measuring involved. We were trained that a schmear of mayo or mustard is 1 oz. Was it measured each time a burger was made? No.

    and the more I think about it, for us at home, maybe a sandwich is a “build”. Bacon, lettuce, tomato, mayo, bread. Assemble.

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    • Mosca
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      What you have for that Island burger is a recipe in the general sense, which includes food items. So, absolutely, that is a recipe for an Island burger, which probably would even include sources for the ingredients! But can you make a burger variation and call it a new recipe?

      I like the word “build”. That straddles the line between “variation” and “recipe” really nicely, crediting the originator with more creativity than variation, without implying that they are treading new ground.

    #6
    Surf and Turf
    Open-faced Canned Tuna sandwich with Beef gravy on toasted white bread

    Last edited by bbqLuv; September 12, 2023, 10:18 AM.

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    • WayneT
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      Hard pass.

    • SheilaAnn
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      🤢🤢🤢

    #7
    can you call a dirtdevil a sandwich?

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    • bbqLuv
      bbqLuv commented
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      A dirtdevil can identify as whatever it chooses

    #8
    My recipe books have sections for sandwiches, so yup. Directions to make food with an ingredient list and possibly amounts is a recipe. Same with cocktails or punch. That is how I see it.

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      #9
      Of course it is a recipe. To quote the words of a wise man, “Look at it.” Recipes for variations of sandwiches are as much recipes as those for variations of soup or variations of chili (beans or no beans - but that’s a debate for another thread). This is especially true when the variation calls for separate preparation. That brisket you added wasn’t raw. You seasoned it, smoked it, and then included it in the sandwich. Those are necessary steps in your recipe for that sandwich.

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        #10
        I mean boiling an egg is in multiple cook books

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        • bbqLuv
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          Air Fired too.

        • WayneT
          WayneT commented
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          Sous vide!

        #11
        I say if you have to put together more than 1 ingredient and instruct someone as to how to make it, regardless of how simple, it qualifies as a recipe.

        This reminds of back in the day one of the food network website recipes was “Dark chocolate as a snack” as the recipe was “1 ounce of dark chocolate.”
        Needless to say the internet went crazy with the reviews on the website with things like “I ate 2 ounces. Am I going to die?!” wonder if those reviews are still posted. They were always good for a laugh (see also Amazon reviews of sugar free gummy bears)

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          #12
          Perhaps the term recipe has a sliding definition depending on who and how the word is used. Maybe the spectrum might go something like this:

          Recipes that are well duh -----------> Recipes that are obvious to most people ----------> Recipes that are useful to recreate a particular dish that is not obvious to everyone --------------> Recipes you probably need to recreate what other people are making ---------------> Oh, heck yeah, that's complex and I could never do this without this info -------------> The only way you're going to come close to making this complex, delicious food is if you have insights into the techniques and you have developed the skills to accomplish this ------------------> The ultimate recipe is an accomplished cook who is winging the recipe as he/she cooks based on experiences and imagining flavor combinations, and that's when cooking crosses over from being a science to being an art.

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          • Mosca
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            Lol then I’m a sandwich artist!

          #13
          Thing is, I make a lot of weirdo sandwiches, most of which I don’t post here, but they’re just types of sandwiches. They aren’t recipes.

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          • Willy
            Willy commented
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            Let me try a different tack: I make a lot of weirdo soups...they're just types of soups...

            ;-)

          • SheilaAnn
            SheilaAnn commented
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            They are “builds” 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

          #14
          When you publish "Mosca's Weirdo Sandwiches" book, it will have a recipe for each type of sandwich. 😁

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            #15
            Singularity is a concept that describes a sandwich where something becomes enjoyable to consume. There are different types of sandwich singularities.

            I’m sure a singularity applies to a sandwich, but I make a creative connection. Maybe you could think of a sandwich as a singularity if it has so many ingredients that it becomes impossible to eat or identify. Or maybe you could imagine a sandwich that is so delicious that it creates a black hole in your mouth and transports you to another dimension. Or maybe you could write a poem or a story about a sandwich that has a singularity inside it and causes all kinds of trouble.


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