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    My wife and I threw a party for my daughter turning 6. She wanted brisket, so I had to deliver! Party started at 3pm with a 4pm dinner time. I did not want to wake up in the middle of the night, so I attempted the day-before smoke with a verrrry long hold without a professional warming oven keeping temps to a steady 150-155 F. Here is how I did it in my standard kitchen oven.

    My oven only goes down to 170 F. But does it really? Ovens have wild temp swings and the old oven thermometer is likely not accurate, so I knew I couldn’t just set it and forget it overnight without monitoring.

    I ran some tests (with a digital thermometer) and determined, yep, wild swings and waaay hotter than what is displayed on the oven.

    My oven only goes down to a displayed 170F, but I found out I can calibrate my oven if I hold the “Bake” button for 5 seconds, I can adjust it 30 degrees up or down. I knew “down” was the answer, but using my Thermoworks digital thermometer, I discovered -10 and -20 were still too high of temp. So I bumped it down to -30. Hit “Start” after you adjust it down to lock in the calibration. Temps were still a tiny too high, but I found this trick in some random comments section on YouTube.

    Put a finished wrapped brisket in a turkey roaster and use a metal wire rack (well, I used 2 metal wire racks) to lift the brisket up from the bottom of the roaster and fill the roaster with water below the level of the highest rack which holds the brisket (so the brisket doesn’t get wet). The water acts as a cooling agent around the brisket, plus it’s a temperature stabilizer. After testing, the temp was still a bit too high, so I put a wooden spatula between the door and the oven so the oven door wouldn’t close. This made the oven LESS efficient and a touch cooler. I put a digital thermometer on the wire rack to monitor temp, and voila. Instead of my 170 oven with swings to 200+ and staying in the 180+ range, my tricks were able to get a rather consistent temp of 165. Certainly maybe 10 degrees hotter than a conventional warming oven (of 155), but it did the trick!!

    You will have to add water throughout the cook because it does evaporate after time. You can also add ice to the roaster which turns into cold water which cools the ambient temp. Sometimes I had steady 150-155 F temps which is perfect. But I didn’t sweat the 165 average.

    I finished smoking the brisket at 11pm. My finishing brisket temp was 190 since it had such a long holding temp, and I heard that taking it higher with a long hold may turn it into more of a pot roast texture. I opened the butcher paper and let it cool to 180 (to stop the cooking) before I rewrapped it at midnight and put it in my Macgyver oven for 16 hours! At 4pm the next day, it was delicious!

    Now don’t forget to calibrate your oven back!​
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    Perfect job scottranda! Way to go! I'm sure it felt good to be the 'hero' of the birthday. That brisket looks awesome, brother!

    Anyways, this is similar to what I do with my Camp Chef Smoke Vault 24. It wants to sit around 170-175ºF at the lowest setting I can get with the propane burner. I've heard I can add a microadjustment valve to it, but haven't looked into that yet... but essentially I do what you did, I leave the door cracked by about ½" and it seems to keep me right in the 150-155ºF range.

    Sometimes it's a little more or less of a gap, depending on outside conditions - wind, rain, excessively cold temps, etc., but with my Fireboard I can monitor this easily and even set an alarm. This has save me on more than one occasion when the door blew wide open in the wind, or if it blows closed and gets too warm. I just set alarms for high and low temps.

    With the Camp Chef, I can hold... oh, a pair of large briskets, 4-6 pork butts, etc. And that's just with the 2 shelves that came with it. If I wanted to spring for more shelves, I could do more. Maybe someday I will.

    Anyways, thanks for sharing, and this is a method that can be used for lots of cookers to adjust your temps - say you have an older pellet smoker like my original Traeger, which used a controller with "P-settings" instead of a PID style - this is just based on dropping pellets at specific times, and has no 'feedback' from the internal temp probe. Cracking a door will work perfectly in this kind of smoker, as well.

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      Nice!! Good info here too!

    #3
    Beautiful. Great thinking, great research, great implementation and improvisation!

    I just had an oven hold failure a few days ago. I expected to leave the mac & cheese in the 170° oven for 20 minutes; that turned into 90, and what had been gooey mac & cheese turned into dry, sticky mac & cheese. I knew about the wild swings in an electric oven, but I wasn’t thinking about them being such a huge difference at that low setting! 30° around 350 isn’t a big deal, less than 10%, but 30° either side of 170 definitely is, along with the calibration being more accurate in the middle range.



    Tip for making “broken” mac & cheese creamy again: add 2 teaspoons of milk per cup of mac & cheese when reheating in the microwave. Resist the temptation to add more milk, that makes it runny. It tastes good no matter what, but stirring the milk in after it heats up makes it nice and gooey again.

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      Thank you!

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    Great job Scott! I have posted in the past about testing and adjusting an oven. The method of adjusting most ovens can be found on youtube. Just find your oven's model number and search on youtube.

    I used my Thermoworks ChefAlarm because it displays the high and low temps. With a graph capable thermometer, it should be easier. Thinking that the average temp would be halfway between the high and low temps, I adjusted so the halfway point was the set temp. That seems to work.

    Another way to test your oven's accuracy is to buy a tube of refrigerator biscuits and cook them according to directions. If they are too light, your oven is running cool, and if they are too dark, your oven is running hot.

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      Thanks! Yeah, my digital thermometer doesn’t graph, but it would have been nice. I was relieved when I read the high and low numbers weren’t bad in either direction (my thermometer doesn’t graph high and low, but it does tell me both numbers).

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    👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🔥🔥🔥

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      Thanks!

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    You the man.

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      Thanks!

    #7
    Snazzy! Excellent work!

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      Thanks!

    #8
    Hail! Ima gonna cook a tube of fridgerator bisky just cause, Ima curious bout this spirament!

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      If you plan on doing a lot of rests like this I would buy a Masterbuilt electric smoker. I set mine at 150 for long rests.

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