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How do you improvise a slow cook on different kinds of grills that only do direct grilling? Without any of your equipment from home?

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    How do you improvise a slow cook on different kinds of grills that only do direct grilling? Without any of your equipment from home?

    It's warming up and that means cookout season. At this time last year I was the only westerner I knew with an outdoor terrace and a grill. Since then several of my friends have moved out of apartments and into houses and now they all have outdoor areas and grills of one kind or another. In the middle of Wenzhou is a large river, the Ou, and in the middle of this river is an island, Qidu. Qidu has long been a backwater, but recently it's experiencing a surge of growth as it becomes "the next cool place". We just had Chinese new year last week, and the island was packed. I'm thinking of moving out there myself. I guess it's got another 2-3 years before it gets overrun and sanitized, but right now it's in the cool phase with coffee shops, residences that are still rural, and a general undeveloped feel.

    Of course, all these people have different kinds of grills. Some are an open bonfire with a grill laid over it. Some are the crappy offset smokers similar to the Brinkmann Smoke-N-Pit. Some are gas grills that do nothing but hot and fast. Some are a rectangular box on legs. Some are fueled by wood, some by fast-and-hot burning charcoal, some by gas. None of these even resemble my trusty Weber kettle that I work my magic on.

    My question: How do I make barbecue magic on these various grills, without my home equipment?

    I suppose a differently phrased question would be: how do you improvise a slow cook on a grill that only does direct grilling?

    A quick discussion of each type of grill may be informative. The open bonfire:

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    This is a wood-fired pit with a grill laid across it. This particular model at one time had a cover, but when my friend got it as a gift, it was long gone. There are other kinds that are vaguely like this design: a big bowl with a place to cook over top. Sometimes it's a metal griddle, sometimes it's a thick grill on a pole that can rotate until it's holding the food over the fire.

    The crappy offset smoker. I assume everyone is familiar with this one.

    The box grill:

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    This one has short legs. Typically they're waist level. It's also a bit thinner than usual, usually they're about twice this wide. But you get the idea. A shallow, rectangular box on stilts with a wire crosshatch grill. Suited for Chinese "shaokao" style, which is direct, hot and fast grilling of skewers with various foods on them (see my avatar photo). Most typically lamb but can be anything: cauliflower, squid, tofu, string beans, scallions, you name it. Foods are brushed with oil the entire time (note the brush in the cup of oil on the side) and seasoned with cumin or five spice. This is the most common grill and the most challenging for me to cook anything other than burgers on. Here is another, the commercial version:

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    It's an electric model, on high heat to cook as many skewers as possible in the shortest time. It also has a fan to pull the smoke in and vent it elsewhere. You'll also notice the lack of bark, they just heat them up and rarely do you get that crusty deliciousness. Sometimes if I cook shaokao people are reluctant to eat it because it's "burned".

    Then there are gas grills. These are more common these days. The gas grills are bought by well-off people who want to spend money on something. Or they are bought by bars or restaurants when the owner wants a new toy. Then I get called to break it in and have a cookout for customers. Please read this account of me trying to prepare my style of slow cook barbecue on one. It's got photos and a description of what's wrong with Chinese gas grills. Spoiler alert: it was a cooking disaster story.

    So, now that everyone's been brought up to speed on what kind of grills I have to deal with, let's revisit the question: How do I make barbecue magic on these various grills, without my home equipment? Or to rephrase, how do I MacGyver my way into delicious slow-cooked meat using only a paper clip, a pair of jumper cables, and chewing gum?

    Equipment likely to be at anyone's house: cleaver (probably dull), cutting board, aluminum foil, metal or bamboo skewers, salt, Chinese spices (black pepper may or may not be one of them, and if it is it's fine powder instead of coarse ground), tongs, brush, oil, disposable aluminum pans, tea, vinegar, soy sauce. I wouldn't count on red wine, sometimes we're drinking it but more often than not it's beer.

    If I know ahead of time I'll bring my equipment like thermometers, knives, spices, extra long tongs, etc. I've learned the hard way that if I need it, bring it. Even easy stuff like paper towels or plastic utensils. Hey, you try eating a chicken breast with disposable chopsticks and a roll of toilet tissue as napkin. But, I'm often called at the last minute to attend, or I'm somewhere and someone starts a fire and says, "Hey, barbecue man, do the cooking for us!" Of course it looks super lame when I try to duck out and say I don't have my thermometer, their charcoal is all wrong, that kind of grill is impossible to cook on, etc. But...it's true. I don't have my thermometer so it's just a guess if the food is done, their charcoal burns hot and fast and turns to dust in 30 minutes and I know no way of slow cooking on that kind of grill.

    Let me give an example from last week's new year's eve party. My friend on the island has a double sided gas/charcoal grill. I brought some chicken breasts, a slice of apple wood log, and all my thermometers, knives and other equipment I'd need. I was notified beforehand, you see. But, the grill was new to me, and what do you know it took forever to heat up. You can't cook chicken at less than 350, and this thing wouldn't go above 300. I ended up putting the food on anyway just to get the smoke and heat up the internal. Well after a while the meat's temperature stopped rising because the breasts were sweating and evaporative cooling was happening. Hey, I learned that from this website! So I pulled them and did my best to finish them on the side burner. They were meh - kinda dry. Not nearly as good as I can do at home. And I even had my equipment!

    The problem was the crappy grill. I deduced later that it was leaky as hell, which was why the temperature refused to rise. The South Africans at the party were like "you've not got enough coal there mate," because they have no idea what indirect cooking is. They just put their food on and scorch it - I've watched them "braai" and they suck. I digress...this grill isn't a problem for shaokao, because the Chinese only know hot and fast cooking. Who cares if it leaks? I would classify this grill in the "crappy offset smoker" category because it did have a separate firebox. I didn't use it, I put the charcoal on the grate since I have zero experience with offset cookers and I didn't want to start with hungry people waiting.

    So, hopefully after this long-winded explanation people understand my problem. What can be done?

    #2
    "When in China . . ."
    It is the cook, not the cooker. I believe 'Magic BBQ" is possible on any grill, there is a need to adapt.

    I Bought the Cheapest Offset Smoker at Home Depot and Made a Brisket - YouTube
    Last edited by bbqLuv; February 8, 2022, 09:38 AM.

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      #3
      I almost think you just need to learn to adapt to doing hot and fast cooks when on these type grills. Especially the open top ones - there really isn't much choice. Maybe cook smaller pieces of meat that can cook faster. Maybe don't fill the entire grill with coals so that you can move stuff in and out of the searing zone to save it from the fire. Cooking bone in chicken without burning it up might be problematic, but if you can get boneless skinless chicken thigh over there, that stuff takes the heat well, and I cook it on skewers 6 to 8 inches above charcoal quite often here, with the grill open.

      I don't see too may other options considering you really cannot show up and mod every grill you encounter. Or get you a travel kettle like a Jumbo Joe and carry it in a backpack with you at all times, haha!

      EDIT:

      I had a second thought. Would it be possible to use foil to "tent" your meat on one of these crappy grills, such that the foil captures heat from the direct side of the grill, and carries it over the food on the indirect area that you've not setup coals or turned on the burners in? That way it doesn't matter that there isn't a lid, or that the lid is crappy and leaky?

      You could experiment with this on your kettle I suppose, leave the lid off and try using some foil to redirect heat from the coals to the "indirect" side.

      I still think learning a way to make hot and fast work will be best in the long run... they just have to learn that you cannot work miracles with substandard equipment...
      Last edited by jfmorris; February 8, 2022, 12:18 PM.

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      • jfmorris
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        And an additional thought....

        Rather than attempt to do indirect, why don't you embrace the direct, but figure out a way to elevate the grate up higher above the fire. I am thinking bricks, blocks, or something fireproof to get the grate up higher above the charcoal or wood. I am thinking of how those Santa Maria cookers out in California cook over a live fire, but you just crank the grate up high to get the food out of the fire.

      • jfmorris
        jfmorris commented
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        I cook often on my kamado with the fire in the bottom, and the food way up above it on an elevated grate (the SNS one). There are plenty of after market "expansion grates" with folding legs usually, round or rectangular, made to sit above a regular cooking grate. They just have to sit so their legs run perpendicular to the bars in the main grill grate. They get you farther from the heat, and also add capacity, and its something you could carry with you if you know you are going somewhere.
        Last edited by jfmorris; February 8, 2022, 02:56 PM.

      #4
      Nice read, also love the box grills for doing skewers. The question of what to do with the cookers you may be stuck with, I’ll quote Harry Soo, "It ain’t about the cooker, but the cookie !!"

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        #5
        sounds like maybe a cowboy or santa maria grill option?

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        • jfmorris
          jfmorris commented
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          That's what I was thinking. He needs to find ways to raise the grates to move the meat farther from the heat on these crappy grills that have no good heat control, and just do direct, but lower the heat and be far enough from the fire to avoid burning things.

        • Lost in China
          Lost in China commented
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          What's that thing?

        • texastweeter
          texastweeter commented
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          A Santamaria grill. You can raise or lower that cooking grate with the flywheel on the side.

        #6
        Indirect heat is your friend. Anything you can bank coals to one side or have one side of the burners lit on, and you can cover you can BBQ on. It might be tricky, and you might need a pan of water for a buffer, but you can get er done. The box grill would be the toughest if it doesn't have a top to it; but you could do like huli Hulu chicken or cornel chicken just fine. Pretty much any chicken would work, don't think you could rig it up to do a brisket or ribs or a shoulder without a lot of foil, and a lot of fussing. There is a bunch to talk about here. Would be better to tackle one at a time since each one sounds different. When in doubt, I always go the lamb chop, hulihuli chicken, steak, burger, or such route. Still a direct heat cook.

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          #7
          The real question here is, why the hell are the marshmallows laying on the ground?

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          • Waiting for the Worms
            Waiting for the Worms commented
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            Well that confirms it. My kids are getting s'mores made with tofu this year. This should be fun.

          • texastweeter
            texastweeter commented
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            Lost in China then it is exactly where it belongs

          • Lost in China
            Lost in China commented
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            The guy burnt them, that's why they're on the ground. He was really terrible at cooking, but as you can see from his big smile he was having a wonderful time ruining all that food. I just nibbled on some wings and tried to stay far from the grill. I didn't know him and wasn't hungry so didn't care what he did.

          #8
          Without a lid or tent of some sort, the best you can do is heat on one side of the grill meat on the other. It's better if you can create the distance vertically, but that might not be feasible.

          But I agree with the others. You are missing an opportunity to expand your horizons. The best thing to do is learn how you can do traditional slow cooked meat hot and fast, and still have something worth eating. High acid marinades, slicing and pounding, and super thin slicing are all things that spring to my mind. Most of all, have fun with it.

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            #9
            I’ve used large disposable foil pans inverted with fire under one side and food under the other. Sets up a decent flow. You still won’t be able to go super low or for a long time but will get you indirect.

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            • CandySueQ
              CandySueQ commented
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              I was looking for this suggestion! Another option is use the pans up and fill with liquid.

            • Lost in China
              Lost in China commented
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              You mean put the pan on the grill, put some water in the bottom and then kind of boil the meat? Won't the spices and such wash off?

            #10
            For low/slow what is needed is a lid of some sort and either an indirect fire with a cool zone or some kind of heat diffuser so that the meat isn't sitting directly above the fire - drum smokers are designed for exposure to the fire directly, but at a distance. For a lid, a disposable pan works in a pinch. Aluminum foil can work as a fire diffuser. Just apply the same principles as your home equipment and get a bit creative with what you have on hand and it can be done.

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              #11
              You mentioned gas grills. Do you have access to something like a Weber Genesis? ( https://www.bbqguys.com/weber-grills...xoCJVsQAvD_BwE ). If so, turn on the burner on one side on a low setting, put the meat on the other side, and play with it until you can hold the temperature down around 250 (f). There are a couple devices you can use to add smoke, like te A-Maze-N tube ( https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-MAZE-N-1-...E&gclsrc=aw.ds ) or a perforated metal box where you can add soaked wood chips and set them over the burner. You can also put wood chips in a foil packet and punch a few holes in it.

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                #12
                Originally posted by Murdy View Post
                You mentioned gas grills. Do you have access to something like a Weber Genesis? ( https://www.bbqguys.com/weber-grills...xoCJVsQAvD_BwE ). If so, turn on the burner on one side on a low setting, put the meat on the other side, and play with it until you can hold the temperature down around 250 (f). There are a couple devices you can use to add smoke, like te A-Maze-N tube ( https://www.lowes.com/pd/A-MAZE-N-1-...E&gclsrc=aw.ds ) or a perforated metal box where you can add soaked wood chips and set them over the burner. You can also put wood chips in a foil packet and punch a few holes in it.
                I did...but as you can see from my cooking disaster, the gas grills aren't like ours here and are designed for hot and fast. I tried that, turning two burners on and two off and it didn't work at all.

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                  #13
                  Originally posted by Lost in China View Post

                  I did...but as you can see from my cooking disaster, the gas grills aren't like ours here and are designed for hot and fast. I tried that, turning two burners on and two off and it didn't work at all.
                  If the lowest setting is too high, then you could restrict the flow of gas to the grill using a binder clip on the gas line for a real McGyver solution.

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                  • Lost in China
                    Lost in China commented
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                    Huh. OK. Now that's the kind of idea I was looking for! Brilliant!

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