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    Experiment: sous vide chuck to slice for lunchmeat

    Howdy all, not long ago I posted a cook of a so-called turkey breast roast, basically a deboned turkey breast trussed up in string mesh to hold it in shape, in order to produce some lunch meat. We've been Boar's Head consumers for some years but with their recent safety probs (their shuttered plant is just a couple hours from here), we're avoiding them. So I've been casting around for things I can make myself (the turkey came out great).

    Rare roast beef was always one of our choices, so this time I'm trying to emulate that. Came across this piece, labeled "chuck tender roast", weighing in a bit under 4lb/1.8kg, Choice Angus so a little spendy at $7.99/lb (but we have their "store card" and get the $5.99/lb listed on the lower label). But I'll use it to try out my approach.

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    As you can see, it's a weird shape for a chuck roast, and there is a very marked change in grain direction, best visible in the top pic with the shrink wrap. If I didn't know better I might say it's a huge tri tip (but I do know better). But not having heard of "chuck tender roast" before, maybe this is a part of the animal I'm not accustomed to seeing? I know some of y'all have the know-how on this.

    Anyway, my game plan is to sous vide this baby for 30 to 36 hours at about 132/55 for a nice medium rare, then remove it, pat it mostly dry, then put it in the fridge overnight to cool down. Finally, I would bring it back to target IT on the SnS kettle set up for 2 zone with a chunk of wood so that the meat picks up just a little smoke, and finally sear it over the coals briefly.

    I've read some reputable cooking pages taking this basic approach; my wrinkle is cooling it down and reheating with smoke before searing instead of just going right to the sear after the SV step. I've done something like this with another cut before (tri tip or picanha, can't remember which), and my recollection is that whatever subtle smoke it may have picked up was swamped by the sear flavors. So that's my main question at this point, is that smoke step worth the time and trouble?

    The cut is dry brining now and I will put it in the SV first thing in the morning, and do the final step the next day - plenty of time for kibbitz & snark

    #2
    I've always chilled after sous vide. I like bringing cold meat up to temp on the smoker and then searing for a crust.

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      #3
      I can't answer your question, but it sure does look like a tri tip to me. It should be great either way.

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      • DaveD
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        I thought I read somewhere that tri tips max out at about 3 lb... but my memory is hazy. Can they get that big?

      • realdocBBQ
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        I've had much larger tritips, but while this one does appear to have 2 muscles with competing grain structures, they're not in the orientation I'm used to seeing in tritip.

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      FWIW

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        #5
        Upon further reading, I find that in US grocery stores, cuts labeled "chuck tender roast" are cut from the teres minor of a beef chuck primal. Other terms used for this cut include chuck eye, chuck filet, mock tender, Scotch tender. Sample words: "This is one of the more tender cuts from the chuck section, so you can cook it in liquid or roast it in the oven. A steak cut from this roast is called a chuck eye steak."

        Alrighty then!

        Edit: PGH_RAM Thanks for that - was typing as you were posting. Definitely not a tri tip, it would seem.

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          #6
          Yes! I would try that!
          Please report on results!

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          • DaveD
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            You know I will I'll update this thread!

          #7
          The meat has been in the SV since about 9am this morning. After it dry brined overnight, I cut it thusly:

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          Two reasons for this: One, the long piece on the left is a good shape for slicing into the sandwich meat, and the other piece is a good size for us to eat for dinner tomorrow. And two, it would have been a challenge to get the whole cut sealed up in my 11-inch vac sealer. So I seasoned the brined pieces with some garlic powder and coarse black pepper, and into the meat jacuzzi they went.

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          I'll take them out to pat dry and get into the fridge to cool by late morning and then start the smoke/sear process in the afternoon. Stay tuned...

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          • Jerod Broussard
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            Can't say I've ever used "thusly" properly nor formed a "T" with a meat substance.

          #8
          That would likely make decent pulled beef too. Bone apple teeth!

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          • DaveD
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            No doubt. But the goal is sandwich fixins

          #9
          The meat was in the SV for just shy of 27 hours in the end. Took it out late this morning and dried it off before putting it in the fridge. I didn't weigh the pieces before the SV, but afterwards the smaller piece was about exactly 1lb/450g and the larger 2lb 1oz, just under a kilo. Doing the math from the packaged weight, about 12oz/300g was lost.

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          I've got a little under 8oz/200ml of bag juice, which I would like to try to use, maybe just a simple au jus from simmering it and skimming off any solids that coagulate. (The juice accounts for a little over half of the weight loss.)

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          I'll be firing up the kettle in a bit to get it ready to reheat the piece and then sear it. Sides will be simple baked tater and some asparagus.
          Last edited by DaveD; October 23, 2024, 01:32 PM.

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          • Oak Smoke
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            I would so like to be able to duplicate the thin sliced roast beef from Arby’s. I could eat their roast beef sandwiches several times a month. Luckily for me the nearest one is 85 miles away. Good luck on your roast.

          • DaveD
            DaveD commented
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            Oak Smoke Thanks! I sure wish we could get a meat slicer but we have absolutely noplace to store or use one. Nothing beats those thin, uniform slices...

          • Oak Smoke
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            I inherited a commercial slicer and grinder from my dad. He bought them at an auction where a grocery store was closing. They’ve been in storage for several years because of the issues of space. I got the slicer out yesterday. I’m going to have to completely disassemble and clean it. I had forgotten how heavy these are. When I finish it I’ll start on the grinder. I’ll build a sturdy table in my shop to keep them on. They’re too cool not to use. I have 50 lb of pastrami to slice right away.

          #10
          If the grain is going two directions then it's not a real chuck tender. Two directions means two different muscles, so likely a chuck tender and whatever was next to it. Cut along the parting line (which will likely have a tiny layer of fat and always a membrane) into two pieces and slice from there. Looks like you cut mostly along the line. (The line is easy to see in your top pic.)

          For sandwich meat I always used top round (aka London Broil), seasoned with S&P and cooked it low and slow in the toaster oven (at 225) until it reaches your desired doneness. Then cool and slice. I've also used eye of round.

          BTW, chuck tender also used to be called a Jewish Filet but I guess that's politically incorrect these days. It used to be one of the cheapest cuts (along with brisket).

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          • DaveD
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            Good info Mark!

          #11
          A qualified success for this experiment. Only downside is that I overcooked the smaller piece while searing. But as proof of concept for home-made lunchmeat, definitely a win.

          I did space it out though, totally forgot to make a jus with the SV bag juices. I'll freeze 'em and vac seal for another day.

          Took about an hour for the ITs to climb back up to about 120/50 with a hunk of hickory on some B&B coals, a bit less than half an insert's worth, knowing it wouldn't take long.

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          Then seared over hot coals, which is where I went astray with that smaller piece.

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          Temps in the smaller piece were in the high 140s/mid 60s, so I just left it and cut into the big piece, which didn't exceed the SV temp anywhere except the very small end.

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          That membrane between the two muscles was very obvious, but also very easy to cut away. No discernible difference between the meat on either side, far as I could tell, they both chewed the same, which was nice and tender.

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          Flavor was outstanding, really tasty crust and a robust beefiness. The smoky note from the hickory was absolutely noticeable but not close to overdone. Sure wish we could fit a meat slicer in our place! This roast sliced thin would be fabulous.

          Thanks for following along

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          • MBMorgan
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            Very nice, DD!

          • Stuey1515
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            Great write-up, love learning new things

          #12
          My meat slicer recently gave up the ghost. I will be getting a new one (GREAT for bacon!!!), and will be trying this for sure!!!

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          • Stuey1515
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            Gotta have a slicer for bacon, found this out very quickly, hand slicing bacon properly is bloody hard work.

          • N227GB
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            I picked up a knife like this about 25 years ago for thinly slicing brisket.

            Amazon link:

          #13
          Thanks for sharing!

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            #14
            Hey, I'm back at this, and this time using a straight up chuck roast instead of the chuck tender. This one was a Choice chuck from Wild fork, about 2.5lb/1.1kg, nicely marbled. Dry brined overnight, then a light dousing with coarse black pepper and garlic powder. Sous vide at 132/55 for about 27 hours, then chill in the fridge until just above 40/5.

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            SnS kettle set up for 2-zone with the indirect side running at 220-240/104-115, B&B coals with some hickory to reheat back to an IT of 130/54, then sear briefly.

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            Plated with corn on the cob and zucchini.
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            The meat was super tender and juicy, although a couple thick seams of gristle still had to be cut away on the plate - but we barely needed a knife, so that was no biggy Got some good smokiness and did not overdo it on the sear like I did on the chuck tender. This will make great sandwich meat!

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              #15
              Hey, figure I'll just add to this thread with my Further Adventures In Lunchmeat when it's beef

              This time it was a USDA Choice top round, aka London broil, with a very similar treatment as above: sous vide at 132/55 for about 30 hours, then remove, dry, re-vac seal and into the fridge overnight. Got it on the kettle in the morning, 2-zone at ~225/110 with some B&B oak/hickory coals and a chunk of hickory and brought the IT back up to about 130/54 knowing it would carry over a couple of degrees, which took about 75 minutes. I dispensed with the sear step this time around.

              Dry brined overnight, then dusted with coarse black pepper and garlic powder.
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              After SV. Yep, it was super tender.
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              Next morning, just took it out of the vac seal and plopped it on the grill.
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              Sliced it up... dig the lovely smoke ring.
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              Made us some simple but deeeeeeeLISH beef & cheese sammiches for lunch, and vac sealed up three lunches worth with the rest of the slices. Got this cut from Wild Fork for $6.98/lb, half the price of the sliced roast beef we would get from the in-store deli counter, and waaaaay better. This piece was super tender, really beefy, and a great smoke note.

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              This is going to be SOP from now on to keep us in sammich fixins. Between the boneless turkey breast roasts, pork loin and tenderloin, and these inexpensive beef cuts, we'll be covered for our usual sammich preferences. And really not a lot of work, pretty easy to take.

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