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    What are "Steak Tips"?

    Many of the beef recipes I get from America’s Test Kitchen call for “Steak Tips” or “Sirloin Steak Tips”. They seem to use these terms interchangeably. Since they use the plural “Tips” (as opposed to “Tip”) it makes me think I should be looking for something already cut into pieces such as one finds labeled “Stew Meat”. But that is not the case.

    The only reference I could find in ATK was that outside of Boston it may be labeled as flap meat, sirloin steak tips, tip steak, or bavette steak.
    On the ATK website they say that “Until the 1980s, butchers looked at flap meat as a sort of throwaway cut that could be turned into stew meat or ground beef but not much else.” So maybe it IS stew meat?

    In answer to the question “WHAT ARE STEAK TIPS”, ATK says “Steak tips—a cut with deep beefy flavor and a distinctive loose longitudinal grain—can be packaged as whole steaks, cubes, or strips. Steak tips are cut from sirloin flap meat, the area on the bottom sirloin of the cow near the flank. A whole piece of flap meat weighs about 2½ pounds, ranges in thickness from ½ inch to 1½ inches, and is less expensive than top-tier steaks such as strip or rib-eye”.

    They show a picture of what a whole Flap Steak looks like, and the only thing I have seen in grocery stores in the Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan) that looks anything like it is Skirt Steak. However, ATK says it is not Skirt Steak. On another website it said that it is called “Tri-Tip” in California which they describe as “a triangular cut of beef that comes from the bottom sirloin of the hindquarter. It is one of two muscles in the bottom sirloin; the other is the bavette steak.” So it is close, but it is not it. And the ATK picture is definitely not that of a Tri-Tip.

    I have never found anything that exactly matches the ATK description of Steak Tips. What I DID find was labeled as “Beef Round Sirloin Tip Charbroil Steak”. I bought it and tried it with one of the ATK grilling recipes. It was OK. It was beefy. It was kind of tough and would not be mistaken for Tri-Tip, ribeye or strip steak. But it really didn’t look anything like the picture on the ATK website. And it certainly was not worth raving about the way they do at ATK as their Go-To piece of beef (and it IS in a lot of their recipes).

    Does anyone know what I should be looking for? Or is it possible that the rest of the country still considers it a “throwaway cut” and I’m not going to find it anywhere outside of New England?


    #2
    Google says they are from the round primal. That answer is pretty universal on first page results, ATK notwithstanding; further down the page one website does say there is a distinction between west coast and east coast, that sirloin tips are more of an east coast thing, and that sirloin tips could mean tri tips out west.p; however they go on to distinguish between the two, and also offer up a recipe.

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    • MarkN
      MarkN commented
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      Yeah, I think I saw all of these when I "Googled" it. They are clues, but not sufficient to give me confidence to see a piece of wrapped meat in a grocery store meat section and know that I am looking at what ATK is talking about.

    #3
    A steak tip is the little end piece the bored cook cut's off to "test" the steak during the cook! At least that's what I do LOL!!

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      #4
      Flap meat = bavette, but growing up in NE (which incidentally is the land of "we make up weird names for stuff and expect you to understand"), "steak tips" were treated like an actual cut of beef. Go to the market and there's a pile of packaged "steak tips."

      That was all most wanted to know, but from what I could see they were usually cubes or strips of top sirloin, probably occasionally top round too (also occasionally labeled "London Broil" when in whole steak form, which we would sometimes cut up into...steak tips!). Basically a cheap (well, then), lean cut designed to be cubed, marinated, and grilled. Or stewed. Anything like that will work.

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        #5
        Seems to be a regional thing I have never heard of, but after reading a couple articles about it, I want some.

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          #6
          Thanks for the responses. I don't see this as a problem that can be solved. Not unless I can find a butcher who has relocated to the Midwest from Boston. I do know (from experience) that I will not see "Steak Tips", "Flap Meat" or "Bavette" in the meat section of any grocery store anywhere near me. I am a little curious what reaction I would get if I was to go to a butcher and ask for "a nice piece of Bavette".

          Well, I know it is beef, I know it is less expensive than ribeye or strip steak and I know I am supposed to be able to grill it. From there it is just trial and error. Or wait and see if someone else here can crack the code.

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          • MarkN
            MarkN commented
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            The picture Bob K shows looks like the picture of the ATK "flap steak". The comment by Mosca is part of my confusion. Some websites say a Bavette is definitely Flap Steak while others say it is a Flank Steak. It can't be both.

          • shify
            shify commented
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            Mosca - Unfortunately bavette is not always used to refer to flank steak. I've more often see bavette referring to flap steak rather than flank.

            Here in NY, I come across flap meat a decent amount and think I've gotten it at Costco and definitely see it in mexican grocery stores/butchers. It is the same piece of meat that can be cut into arrachera. It does look like a skirt steak with the loose fibers but is much thicker ~1 inch thick

          • Bob K
            Bob K commented
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            Mosca - right, "steak tips" are definitely not bavette, but bavette is flap, not flank, flank is below the sirloin: https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/cuts/cut-charts

            also, MarkN - my butcher comment's tone was unnecessarily snarky, sorry. didn't mean it that way but that's how it reads.

          #7
          Feller farms?
          just a shot
          Dave

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            #8
            Originally posted by MarkN View Post
            Thanks for the responses. I don't see this as a problem that can be solved. Not unless I can find a butcher who has relocated to the Midwest from Boston. I do know (from experience) that I will not see "Steak Tips", "Flap Meat" or "Bavette" in the meat section of any grocery store anywhere near me. I am a little curious what reaction I would get if I was to go to a butcher and ask for "a nice piece of Bavette".

            Well, I know it is beef, I know it is less expensive than ribeye or strip steak and I know I am supposed to be able to grill it. From there it is just trial and error. Or wait and see if someone else here can crack the code.
            Tell your butcher NAMP167A.

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              #9
              There is a place near me, The Meat House, that sells "steak tips".

              Steak Tips ~ Meat House – The Meat House Market

              They advertise it as Bottom Sirloin. I used to get them occasionally as a treat, but current pricing ($22lb) is above my pay grade.
              I'm perfectly content with the $10 lb flap steak from Costco.
              If it isn't exactly the same thing, it's close enough for government work.

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                #10
                Sirloin Tip is from the round, that's why it was beefy but tough.

                Maybe there's not a well-established definition of steak tips, but I see it in restaurants sometimes (often as a appetizer), in which case I think it refers to the end of the tenderloin where it narrows out and is difficult to cut into a steak-shaped piece.

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                  #11
                  As per my comment above, I think what you want is flap meat. You should be able to find it in butchers/grocery stores in the midwest. I don't think I see it often referred to as steak tips at least here in NY but have come across the steak at Costco.

                  I actually saw a good video on Instagram a few days ago from Alpine Butcher that shows that various cuts that come from a flap steak and specifically referenced steak tips. Looks like the same video was posted on tiktok which is at least viewable from my computer

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                    #12
                    I once more went around to my local grocery store meat departments and asked the butchers if I could get "flap meat". I showed them a picture. The most common answer: "We don't carry that".

                    I think I will give up. The whole point of ATK touting the virtues of steak tips/flap meat is that it is beefy and a LESS EXPENSIVE cut of meat. I see that I can order it online for $20+ per lb or I could probably find a butcher shop within 50 miles that could special order it. But if it is more expensive and more effort to get it, why bother? I can get five (5) good sized NY Strip Steaks from my local Costco for $50. Substituting a more expensive cut for a less expensive cut doesn't make any sense.

                    Thanks to those of you who offered suggestions.

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                    • Finster
                      Finster commented
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                      Costco is where I get my flap meat. I had never heard of it before joining.
                      That by itself almost makes the cost of the membership worthwhile.
                      They don't carry it at your Costco?

                    • Mosca
                      Mosca commented
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                      I think you make a great point. I’m constantly frustrated by the same thing: I go looking for the cheaper cuts, only to find that my grocery has charged a premium for separating out a flat iron (for example). Or cuts that used to be the bargain are now right with premium (I’m looking at you, chicken wings, chicken thighs, chuck roasts, etc). If I’m going to pay higher prices, I’d rather go full premium and eat smaller portions less frequently. Or order bulk and freeze, ala Creekstone Farms.

                    • MarkN
                      MarkN commented
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                      re: "They don't carry it at your Costco?". No, they do not.

                    #13
                    Depending on what you are doing, sirloin (not sirloin tip) is probably the most economical.

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                      #14
                      Originally posted by MarkN View Post
                      I once more went around to my local grocery store meat departments and asked the butchers if I could get "flap meat". I showed them a picture. The most common answer: "We don't carry that".

                      I think I will give up. The whole point of ATK touting the virtues of steak tips/flap meat is that it is beefy and a LESS EXPENSIVE cut of meat. I see that I can order it online for $20+ per lb or I could probably find a butcher shop within 50 miles that could special order it. But if it is more expensive and more effort to get it, why bother? I can get five (5) good sized NY Strip Steaks from my local Costco for $50. Substituting a more expensive cut for a less expensive cut doesn't make any sense.
                      ATK has a habit of doing that. They recommend a cut of meat that is rarely available to the average grocery store customer and rave about how inexpensive and beefy it is. When you do track it down, it's often costly and sometimes disappoints. (That said, I love bavette, but husband won't touch it.)

                      In my experience, ATK did that for blade steak in their Slow Cooker cookbook. Blade steak, if you can find it (only Publix carries it around here and then only sporadically) has a thin strip of gristle running right down the center of it; after cutting it out, you end up with two little strips of meat that look more like snacks. They don't make the presentation an average cook would enjoy. Definitely not worth it. I think I'd be better off using chunks of well-marbled chuck in the ATK slow cooker recipe and turning it into a tasty "steak tip" stew.

                      Kathryn

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                      • Mosca
                        Mosca commented
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                        I spent probably a month looking for blade steaks/palerons/flat irons. When I finally found them, I thought, “Nah. I’m good.”

                      • MarkN
                        MarkN commented
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                        Strangely, the Blade Steak IS something available in my area. There is not much to it, but I do buy it to make shorter cook time in a "Cooking for Two" recipe (it makes a nice Yankee Pot Roast for two AND my wife likes it [a deciding factor for me]).

                      #15
                      Flap meat can be found at Hispanic meat stores labeled as arrachera​. The BJ's in our area carry whole flap's. They are usually 2-3 lbs. I can't remember the price per pound.
                      Last edited by Bkhuna; June 23, 2024, 12:16 PM.

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                      • MarkN
                        MarkN commented
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                        The Hispanic stores near me that I've tried have Flank and Skirt, but no Flap.

                      • Bkhuna
                        Bkhuna commented
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                        MarkN The word arrachera is often used loosely by Hispanics. Depends on where their from. I'm using the word as it used in the Mexican Carnicerias that I've shopped in. YMMV

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