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Ok... brisket. Anyone else have a 'second stall' on this cut?

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    Ok... brisket. Anyone else have a 'second stall' on this cut?

    So I've done brisket many different ways, in many different cookers and it seems like this happens to me a lot. I don't know, maybe it's a 'perception' thing? Maybe not...

    So, luckily, I have a Fireboard - and I can prove it!

    I've noticed this multiple times, whether open, whether wrapped, or, like last night, in a foil boat. I get to the high 180s or so, and the thing stalls out again, and in some cases, actually DROPS in temp, in spite of me continuing to push my temps up, as I'm trying to power through and finish the cook - because it's getting late, or I'm exhausted, or I've run out of beer or had too MANY beers! lol

    Either way...

    Pics for proof!

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    Here, you can see a second stall at the end - now, some people might say this is due to me letting my fire and temp go down, whatever, but I was being aggressive toward the end with fire management, because I had been out there over 12 hours.

    In fact...

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    You can see above, this actually dropped in temp down to 188.2 or so before it responded to my really pushing the fire up close to 300ºF on that lower rack (which means well over 550ºF in throat opening temps.

    It's just baffling for me - like I said, I see it when left unwrapped, when wrapped, and in the foil boat. So if it were evaporative loss and cooling like the normal stall (which you can clearly see on the first graph, yesterday was at 155-156, and you can see where I put it in the foil boat around 3-3:30PM and it began to climb again.

    But what is with this hitting 188ºF and then taking forever to get to the 200ºF mark? I literally lost temp for half an hour, cranked my pit temps to get it to hit 190ºF internal, and pulled it.

    This is one of the things that makes brisket so frustrating for s many people. It is SUCH a huge commitment. I literally spent 14 hours yesterday cooking this thing. THEN, it is so big, I gotta decide what to do with it. I wrapped and put in my toaster over, but in spite of literally 3 solid layers of unbroken foil for my foil boat, then folding together the edges of two pieces of foil (trying to 'crimp' the seam) to wrap it and doing that with TWO 'wrap' layers, this thing literally has 5 layers of foil on the bottom, and I still see grease leaked down into the bottom of my toaster oven I'm going to have to clean out... <sigh>. Sheesh.

    Brisket is a mess! And a hassle... and my wife isn't even all that fond of it, so I end up giving a bunch of it away. I can't sell it like I can pulled pork or chikkin because I have to charge so much, people love it, but don't want to pay $30/lb. I have offered it at $22/lb and still no one orders it. I can sell PP at $12-13/lb all day, though. And, of course, PP is a zillion times easier.

    But it's brisket... you know, it's BRISKET! I would love to have 10 briskets all going, run the pit all night and all day - and then let someone ELSE deal with the handling, cleanup, slicing, portioning, hell, even the eating! lol I like it alright, but by the time I've spent that much time and effort cooking, I'm pretty well not hungry, even the next day - like today, I'm not 'excited' about trying this brisket.

    I will, though.

    This SHOULD be a PERFECT brisket, by all accounts. It SHOULD be amazing!

    I bought a Prime packer.
    I wet aged it around 60 days in the fridge.
    I seasoned with just kosher salt & 16 mesh black pepper.
    I cooked it on a traditional offset smoker - with pecan wood.
    I placed it in a foil boat after it stalled a couple hours.
    I took it to 190ºF - not 203-205ºF where I risk overcooking, pot roast texture, crumbling, etc.
    I wrapped tightly in multiple layers of foil and held it.
    I did a LONG hold in a controlled 150ºF temp in our toaster oven.

    I mean, it literally should be the best, most amazing, most tender (but not overcooked or crumbly), most perfectly seasoned/flavored brisket I've ever made...

    RIGHT????


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    I guess we'll see... lol







    And my wife will STILL be underwhelmed by it. <sigh>



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    Last edited by realdocBBQ; February 25, 2024, 09:52 AM.

    #2
    Yes. I have had 2nd stall on both brisket and Boston butts. Not every time, but it is a thing. And I've seen it in the 180's just like your graph shows.

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      #3
      I do notice that my brisket does spend more time in the 180s other than the stall period, so yeah, I’d agree on a mini-stall if you will.

      As far as the effort involved, I mean, the big difference is the offset. I don’t have one and I think brisket requires less work than the vast majority of stuff I do which requires me to be in the kitchen for several hours prepping and cooking.

      I do also only buy briskets in the 12-14 pound range which I think is the perfect balance of reducing cooking time and keeping the amount of food manageable for the family.
      Last edited by STEbbq; February 25, 2024, 09:17 AM.

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      • realdocBBQ
        realdocBBQ commented
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        I agree - if I did this in the pellet pooper, it probably wouldn't be such a problem. Not to mention, running my 320-gallon all day is labor intensive - that thing eats some wood, so it takes a lot. And I did a LOT of other meats yesterday, so there was a LOT of prepping, trimming, checking, wrapping and pulling going on. It was a helluva long day. I barely even took pictures - dammit!

      #4
      I looked back and found another instance of this a few months ago - also with a wet aged brisket, appears to have 'stalled' out around 180ºF again.

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      I dunno. Maybe it's just more pronounced because I'm nearing the end and I want to get DONE. Maybe I'm overthinking it.


      But I think the answer is... MORE DATA!

      I need to cook MORE brisket, and keep better records!

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        #5
        I don’t smoke brisket often, but yes, I’ve had stalls at that temp as well. But I believe that was when I would cook at the 225 temp in my cooker. When I smoke brisket or even pork butt now, I’m at 275* and feel that pushes it to the end (in my cooker at least).

        Hope you enjoy that perfectly smoked brisket!!!!!

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          #6
          I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this - I don't see anyone else really talking about it, but then, most people aren't as obsessed as me with temperature monitoring, etc. I love graphs, charts and data.

          And maybe, just maybe... I need to give up on the numbers and graphs and just cook, just go by feel, just... let 'er ride????


          I'm interested to get my Super 55 drum smoker up and running and see how things go with an easier, much less hassle cook. I got a pellet pooper, but I done did that for a few years, I wanna try something new. I think the drum may be it.

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          • STEbbq
            STEbbq commented
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            100% agree on new cooker and fun. I would do the hang and transfer to a grate for any brisket though. Otherwise, it will fall off the hooks in the 190 range into the coals. Happened to me a few times and I never learned. Brisket was fine though so it’s not like I had to toss it.

          #7
          Nobody else has this problem.
          Those who say they do were just being nice...
          Last edited by Smoker_Boy; February 25, 2024, 09:52 AM.

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            #8
            I see this all the damn time, so much so that I went to a meme generator website to make this:

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            It is most definitely A Thing!

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              #9
              Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one. Hell, I might even have posted about this before, it bothers me so much, and I often forget what I posted a couple years ago - or even a couple weeks ago. lol

              My wife doesn't want any of this brisket, so I'm'a take it over to my buddy's house and cut it up there - his whole family subsist on large amounts of MEAT. lol. So it'll be appreciated more there.





              I'm seriously thinking of firing up my new little offset AND my new Super 55 drum today... should I cook another brisket, just for the hell of it??? I've got one... I don't think I have time for that, though, it's already 10AM.

              Maybe next weekend.

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              • MsTwiggy
                MsTwiggy commented
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                Don’t let that brisket lick ya! Get out there and cook ‘nother one real quick - put the fear in ‘em 🔥🔥🐿️

              #10
              Second stall is more common than people realize, however, If the brisket is almost ready, you open up the pit and the brisket says, "hold on I'm still stalling 'cause I like it in here," THEN you might have issues.

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              • Troutman
                Troutman commented
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                No issues come when you answer back, screaming "When the hell are you gonna be done????"

              • Jerod Broussard
                Jerod Broussard commented
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                Troutman actions speak louder than words; eg. poking brisket with thermometer more than necessary

              #11
              Thanks. I have never noticed the second stall. I run between 260-280f on my offset, wrap with paper at about 160. I keep the fire at the high-end 280f right after wrapping to help break the stall. I also cook to about 195f if prime.

              I’m just curious, why cook a brisket if it causes so much angst? Ain’t this supposed to be fun? 😁

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              • jfmorris
                jfmorris commented
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                I think if you keep the smoker in that 250+ range, second stall is not the issue it is when you smoke at 225. My offset likes to run around 275, and I don't think I've seen a second stall at those temperatures.

              #12
              I think they’ve all done this except when I wrapped with butcher paper it and I don’t remember if I did anything different then. I’ve done them on a gasser and WSM and it’s happened on both. And yes, 12-14 hours is exhausting which is why I don’t do them much anymore, that and my gastrointestinal issues.

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                #13
                yes, have seen it many times, also on pork shoulders (as another poster mentioned). I tend to have it with pork more often, but I've definitely had it.

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                  #14
                  Its happened to me a few times. Each time though I could always explain it. I often wrap in the 180s and found that it usually stalls briefly after wrapping.

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                    #15
                    Gosh Darn it, would you PLEASE POST A PIC OF THIS NO GOOD, SECOND STALLIN’, ROOTIN’ TOOTIN’ hunk o meat that you are complaining fiercely about. I swear if I could see it I could tell you exactly why 🔥🔥🐿️

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