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Could Bobby Flay Have Done Brisket Better?

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    Could Bobby Flay Have Done Brisket Better?

    First off, I have nothing but respect for Bobby Flay as an incredibly versatile, talented and successful cook. I still do a number of his recipes I copied from him years ago. That said, does the Grillin' and Chillin' champ bring his A game to the following video? I realize this is a You Tube video and that brings with it a certain amount of license and certainly a time element to bear. But having spent years of learning by watching some of the brisket masters and cooking dozens myself, I found his technique to be a bit rushed and somewhat flawed. Watch the video and I'll point out seven things I think he needs to consider changing.



    1. He mentions that the brisket is a tough cut from the cow's under belly. In fact it's the muscle from the breast of the cow extending to the shoulder, but that's incidental.
    2. He leaves all of the fat on the brisket and states that he does so intentionally because it bastes the meat. That certainly has some truth to it but he leaves that great big piece of deckle fat that all good pitmasters will tell you does not render well at all much less helps with any degree of moistness.
    3.He makes a really good Mexican inspired marinade which completely lacks salt, slathers it on the meat and lets it sit over night as if it's going to penetrate and flavor the meat. Of course he gets some benefit on his exterior crust but without any dry seasoning how is what we consider a bark going to form? Or without salt how can any seasoning penetrate and flavor the internal proteins?
    4. Okay maybe subjective but he cooks at 200*F. He says something about 12 hours but trust me it would be every bit of that or more at that temp. Up the heat Bobby.
    5. Uses some wet wood chips on top of un-ashed coals in his BGE. Looked a bit contrived and probably didn't produce enough lasting smoke to put in your eye. Ever hear of wood chunks or small splits Bobby?
    6. When he decides to wrap (with no mention of temperature or why he is wrapping at that point in the cook) he mentions his main reason is he's afraid of OVER smoking the brisket which "makes it too rich"? Huh? From a hand full of wet chips? What does richness have to do with smoke necessarily?
    7. Finally he pulls the blazing hot brisket off the cooker, rips open the foil and starts to carve away. Ever hear of resting Bobby?

    Okay maybe I'm a bit picky and I'm being too harsh on the Iron Chef. After all he's Bobby Flay and well...I'm not. Regardless the torta looked incredible and probably sold in his restaurant for $25 a pop, but that included a side of beans.

    What do you all think, anything else I missed? Comments?

    #2
    Reading your list apparently tells me why I have never watched any of his videos.

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    #3
    His shrimp and cheesy grits recipe is in my Paprika as a go-to. I think I'll stick to my usual method for brisket.

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      #4
      I trim LOTS of fat, including in between the two muscles, stopping trimming fat just short of separating them, and cook at 240-250, and I am very fortunate to get them done in about 12 hrs consistently, including the 1-2 hr hold. I fail to see how, with no fat trimmed (yuck, that's too much on your plate I don't care who you are) and cooking at 200, gets 'er done in 12.

      And the "over rich" might just be the 3 pounds of extra fat left on. But alas, he is the famous chef who so who am I.

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      • LA Pork Butt
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        I usually separate the point from the flat on my BGE and cook them them at 225. And, they usually cook faster that Boston Butts which I think is because they brisket isn’t as thick as the Butts. the Butts at 225 finish between 12-14 hours and most often closer to 12 hours than 14. I don’t do briskets very often, but if my memory is correct they finish in 10-12 hours. I am not defending Bobby, but I think ceramic cookers cook differently than other cookers. Bobby shines when it comes to grilling.
        Last edited by LA Pork Butt; February 22, 2024, 06:37 PM.

      • ecowper
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        like you, I trim very aggressively. I have never had a problem with brisket not being moist and flavorful. All that surface fat just gets in the way of dry brine, rub, etc. And then people cut it off when served.

      • Huskee
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        Exactly ecowper. I use the same rationale with steak fat. I trim it all off when prepping them.

      #5
      Great points. I feel like this is just creating content to keep the revenue stream up.

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      • Huskee
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        True, it is a business.

      #6
      I agree with your points. I kinda suspect there is a “sous chef” in the background fixing a whole lotta mistakes while Bobby focuses on the script not written by him nailing down the right camera angles. I suspect if Bobby actually cooked briskets regularly, he would have suggested edits along your comments, but this is just YT content from a celebrity chef.

      There is this one morning cooking show on the local station where they don’t even hide this dynamic. The hosts slice a few ingredients, toss them in the pot, and move it to the oven and close it. Immediately afterwards, they walk over to a second oven, remove the now fully-cooked meal, and slice to serve. So, a whole team of folks are preparing this food behind the scenes.

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        #7
        He’s very good at creating dishes on did fly and is versatile. Clearly he doesn’t understand the intricacies of BBQ

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          #8
          Slightly off-topic, but I have probably watched every episode of Throwdown with Bobby Flay and Beat Bobby Flay. (I have some crushes on a couple of the final judges so I tend to watch to see if my girls are on the set).

          Bobby wins about 70% of the Beat Bobby Flay challenges because he doesn't follow the rules.
          Plain and simple.
          By this I mean he always does "his take" on a dish.

          No Bobby, if the Signature Dish is "Bacon and Eggs", you can't make Biscuits and Gravy.

          Yes, there is a certain amount of artistic license expected, but he goes overboard.
          This is especially true with Asian dishes.

          Sometimes he will get a set of judges who are not impressed with his version because it's not traditional.

          I am not surprised that Bobby screws up brisket.
          He has no patience.

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          • ItsAllGoneToTheDogs
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            to be fair he has styled himself as a grillmaster, not a pitmaster. I'm just jealous how much time he spends with Giada

          #9
          He probably knows better and is simply playing to the lowest common denominator to get views and clicks. He is on youtube to make a living. Meathead recommends to dry brine and make rub without salt but his commercial rub has salt to meet market expectations. Does that mean that Meathead’s understanding of dry brining has changed - probably not. Mr. Flay knows no one is going to taste this brisket. When someone diligently follows his advice and their brisket is inedible his Pro status is secured.
          FWIW I agree with most all of your points 😉🔥🔥🐿️

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            #10
            If you really want to see Flay lose his mind, watch him try to bake a cake.

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              #11
              I will reserve judgement until I taste one of those sammies, they look amazing to me.

              I would just say he is not making Texas BBQ Brisket. It is something else, so the same rules do not apply.

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                #12
                BBQ is a bit out of his wheelhouse.

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                  #13
                  Just checked out his website. Alongside his restaurants, he is now making Cat Food. Good chef, but a Master of marketing

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                  • Smoker_Boy
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                    Sadly, Nacho died last year...

                  • bbqLuv
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                    Just another reason not to watch him
                    Thank you for the encouragement.

                  #14
                  Flay is cocky, and rightly so. He can back it up. Still, I prefer people who have every reason to be cocky and yet, are humble. Don't get me wrong, I have a Flay cookbook on the shelf in my kitchen and have made many great meals from it. But at the end of the day, I think he's kind of a butthole.

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                    #15
                    I have been a Bobbie Flay fan for awhile now. I used to make some of his southwest recipes but I kind of moved on. His grillin and chillen show with "fireman" Jack McDavid was one of my favorite shows. Just the way Jack said Bobby cracked me up. I never tried any of his BBQ stuff though. Too many other influences. The sandwich looks good, but Aaron Franklin he is not.
                    Last edited by klflowers; March 14, 2024, 09:54 PM.

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