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  • jfmorris
    Club Member
    • Nov 2017
    • 3271
    • Huntsville, Alabama
    • Jim Morris

      Cookers
      • Camp Chef FTG900 Flat Top Grill (2020)
      • Weber Genesis II E-410 w/ GrillGrates (2019)
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      • Custom Built Offset Smoker (304SS, 22"x34" grate, circa 1985)
      • King Kooker 94/90TKD 105K/60K dual burner patio stove
      • Lodge L8D03 5 quart dutch oven
      • Lodge L10SK3 12" skillet
      • Anova
      Thermometers
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      • Thermoworks Thermapen Classic
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      Beverages
      • Whatever I brewed and have on tap!

    #16
    Sandman I've had as many as 6 cookers in my backyard, and right now have 4 - an offset, a Weber Performer Deluxe (22" kettle), a 4 burner Weber Genesis II gas grill, and a 6 burner Camp Chef flat top. If I could only have two cookers, and were designing an outdoor kitchen, right now I think I would go for a built-in flat top, and build a kettle or kamodo into the other end of my outdoor setup. Probably the kettle, due to the huge number of accessories. I smoke/grill/bake/fry/rotisserie on my kettle. On the flat top, I griddle/stir-fry/do smashburgers/tacos/fajitas/tepinaki/etc. Since getting the griddle, my gas grill has not been used nearly as much, and the cooking is split between the charcoal kettle and the flat top.

    I know your wife and designer are insisting on a built in grill, but maybe you can talk them into a built in flat top. To me, the flat top is just so much more convenient for many types of cooking that you COULD do indoors, but doing it outdoors leads to less mess, and much less cleanup. I find myself cooking on the griddle more than any of the other cookers right now, and doing most of my smoking on the kettle.

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    • hoovarmin
      hoovarmin commented
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      I'm going to +1 on the built-in griddle over the gasser. Nothing against gassers at all, I just think that you will feel you got much more bang for your buck.

    • Sandman
      Sandman commented
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      I've seen the rotisserie insert for a kettle, but how do you fry on it? Which accessories you recommend?

    • jfmorris
      jfmorris commented
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      Sandman I fry by using either a griddle, like the snsgrills.com Drip 'N Griddle, which I more saute in (stuff like veggies or shrimp scampi), or by using my Lodge skillet or dutch oven. I have had great results using the SNS with a chimney of lit coals in it, and getting temp control for deep frying by moving the dutch oven either more or less over the charcoal. Starts getting hot, slide it farther out into the grate...

      I had better luck deep frying like that on my charcoal than on my gasser
  • surfdog
    Club Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 1169
    • Sunny SoCal
    • Cooking gadgets
      Weber Summit Charcoal Grill Center
      Weber Summit Platinum D6
      Blue Rhino Razor
      Dyna-Glo XL Premium Dual Chamber
      Camp Chef Somerset IV along with their Artisan Pizza Oven 90
      Anova WiFi

      Thermometers
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      Other useful bits...
      KitchenAid 7-qt Pro Line stand mixer
      A Black & Decker food processor that I can't seem to murder
      A couple of immersion blenders, one a "consumer" model & the other a "high end" Italian thing. Yes, the Italian one is a bit better, but only marginally
      Instant Pot Duo Evo Plus 8-qt + accessories like egg-bite & egg holders
      All-Clad pots & pans, along with some cast iron...everything from 7" Skookie pans to 8.5qt Dutch ovens
      Weber GBS griddle, pizza stone, and wok
      Knives range from Mercer to F. Dick to "You spent how much for one knife? One knife?!" LOL

    #17
    Another vote for the WSCG. I have the “grilling center” version and love it. It can easily grill, smoke, bake, & roast with the best of them. It’s quite versatile and forgiving if one overshoots the temp. (Ask me how I know. LOL)

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    • bbqLuv
      Club Member
      • Jan 2020
      • 1064
      • Milwaukie, OR

      #18
      Might try www.bbqguys.com for ideas.

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      • klflowers
        Club Member
        • Sep 2015
        • 3485
        • Tennessee

        #19
        I don't really have anything to add - I am a kettle/wsm/griddle man, going to add a Grilla Chimp cause I need portability. So why am I chiming in? Cause of this:

        Is there an undercounter smoker that works? The Kalamazoo looks great but $12K is something I’d have to buy without telling my wife. Ever. (Which doesn’t itself disqualify the option…)
        That statement makes you my hero.
        Last edited by klflowers; November 4, 2020, 12:01 PM. Reason: Changed goig to going

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        • Old Glory
          Club Member
          • Feb 2018
          • 1127
          • Northshore MA
          • Weber Summit Charcoal Grill
            XL BGE
            DCS Gasser
            Humphrey's Cabinet Smoker
            Weber Performer

            Slow & Sear
            Vortex
            Ceramic Grill Store Reducer Ring
            Woo Rig;
            Adjustable Rig
            BGE Pizza Stone
            FireBoard
            Pit Bull Fan
            Griddle Store Griddle

          #20
          If you've got bags of money checkout this griddle:
          https://www.atbbq.com/outdoor-kitche...ki-grills.html

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          • Jfrosty27
            Club Member
            • Mar 2020
            • 1080
            • Muskego, WI
            • Current cookers:
              Rec Tec RT700 "Bull" pellet cooker
              Smokin-It model 2 electric smoker w/ Maverick 732 temp monitor and cold smoking kit
              Weber Genesis 3 burner gas grill w/ rotisserie
              Charbroil Grill2Go gas grill
              Weber 22" Performer Deluxe kettle grill w/ThermoPro TP-20S temp monitor
              Weber Smokey Joe
              SnS Deluxe
              Vortex
              The Orion Cooker convection cooker/smoker (two of them)
              Blackstone 17" griddle
              Joule Sous Vide circulator

              Favorite beer: Anything that's cold!
              Favorite cocktail: Bourbon neat

            #21
            But it ships for free!! 🤣😂

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            • willxfmr
              Club Member
              • Apr 2017
              • 342
              • Fondy

              #22
              I have no hands on knowledge with these, but I always though that if I were doing an outdoor kitchen a Good One Heritage would likely find its way into the plans.

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              • Sandman
                Club Member
                • Sep 2020
                • 4

                #23
                For all of you recommending a griddle: how hot does the cooking surface get? Is there a brand or product you recommend that works with natural gas (that's what we're fueling the built-ins with)?

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                • jfmorris
                  Club Member
                  • Nov 2017
                  • 3271
                  • Huntsville, Alabama
                  • Jim Morris

                    Cookers
                    • Camp Chef FTG900 Flat Top Grill (2020)
                    • Weber Genesis II E-410 w/ GrillGrates (2019)
                    • Weber Performer Deluxe 22.5" w/ GrillGrates & Slow 'N Sear & Drip ‘N Griddle & Party Q (2007)
                    • Custom Built Offset Smoker (304SS, 22"x34" grate, circa 1985)
                    • King Kooker 94/90TKD 105K/60K dual burner patio stove
                    • Lodge L8D03 5 quart dutch oven
                    • Lodge L10SK3 12" skillet
                    • Anova
                    Thermometers
                    • Thermoworks Smoke w/ Wifi Gateway
                    • Thermoworks Dot
                    • Thermoworks Thermapen Classic
                    • Thermoworks RT600C
                    Beverages
                    • Whatever I brewed and have on tap!

                  #24
                  Originally posted by Sandman View Post
                  For all of you recommending a griddle: how hot does the cooking surface get? Is there a brand or product you recommend that works with natural gas (that's what we're fueling the built-ins with)?
                  My 6 burner Camp Chef FTG900 gets a lot hotter than I need it to. I run it between medium and low, to get temps in the 350-400 range. It will get way hotter than that, but you really want to stay in the 350-400 range for most griddle cooking.

                  You might think that you need a lot higher heat for searing, but to be honest, I get the best smash burgers I've ever made using the griddle at those temps. I've also done steaks and pork chops on it, and get a great crust. And of I really want to do reverse seared with a 1000F sear on my steak, I just fire up the kettle with some charcoal.

                  I usually setup my griddle with 3 zones - turn 2 burners up to medium, 2 on low, and 2 off. This gives me a gradient from around 400F on one side down to about 300F on the other.

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                  • jfmorris
                    Club Member
                    • Nov 2017
                    • 3271
                    • Huntsville, Alabama
                    • Jim Morris

                      Cookers
                      • Camp Chef FTG900 Flat Top Grill (2020)
                      • Weber Genesis II E-410 w/ GrillGrates (2019)
                      • Weber Performer Deluxe 22.5" w/ GrillGrates & Slow 'N Sear & Drip ‘N Griddle & Party Q (2007)
                      • Custom Built Offset Smoker (304SS, 22"x34" grate, circa 1985)
                      • King Kooker 94/90TKD 105K/60K dual burner patio stove
                      • Lodge L8D03 5 quart dutch oven
                      • Lodge L10SK3 12" skillet
                      • Anova
                      Thermometers
                      • Thermoworks Smoke w/ Wifi Gateway
                      • Thermoworks Dot
                      • Thermoworks Thermapen Classic
                      • Thermoworks RT600C
                      Beverages
                      • Whatever I brewed and have on tap!

                    #25
                    bbqguys.com has some built in NG griddles:

                    https://www.bbqguys.com/bbq-grills-s...riddles?ff4=37

                    Those have 2 H or U shaped burners, to get coverage of the cooktop, and are decent sized. I like the 30" Blaze or the Turbo Grills model. The rest are way too expensive in my opinion.

                    The other option is to take a Camp Chef or Blackstone griddle, and build it in. I've seen that done. It just requires not using the legs, and some creativity to ensure you have the ventilation needed for air to reach the burners.

                    You just need to present this option to your wife and get it blessed. I'll be honest - of all the grills I have, I think my wife would be most likely to use the flat top. Hint: you can also set pots and pans on it, like on a stove top.

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                    • jfmorris
                      Club Member
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 3271
                      • Huntsville, Alabama
                      • Jim Morris

                        Cookers
                        • Camp Chef FTG900 Flat Top Grill (2020)
                        • Weber Genesis II E-410 w/ GrillGrates (2019)
                        • Weber Performer Deluxe 22.5" w/ GrillGrates & Slow 'N Sear & Drip ‘N Griddle & Party Q (2007)
                        • Custom Built Offset Smoker (304SS, 22"x34" grate, circa 1985)
                        • King Kooker 94/90TKD 105K/60K dual burner patio stove
                        • Lodge L8D03 5 quart dutch oven
                        • Lodge L10SK3 12" skillet
                        • Anova
                        Thermometers
                        • Thermoworks Smoke w/ Wifi Gateway
                        • Thermoworks Dot
                        • Thermoworks Thermapen Classic
                        • Thermoworks RT600C
                        Beverages
                        • Whatever I brewed and have on tap!

                      #26
                      This Youtube video shows how someone built a Camp Chef FTG600 flat top grill into an outdoor kitchen, and might give you some ideas. I also like the FTG600, as you can pull the griddle top off, and install grill grates, and use it as a conventional grill (just with no lid).

                      https://youtu.be/yd5-cntH5jg

                      I don't think I would do the drilling and rerouting of the gas line - I would just bring it down from the normal spot, using the natural gas hose that Camp Chef sells, to adapt it to your quick connect hookup underneath the outdoor kitchen.

                      At $300-400, the FTG600 is a lot of griddle/grill for the money. I have the FTG900, and like the stainless construction of the body. All of the Camp Chef cookers can be converted from propane to natural gas.

                      The down side for you might be that the cooking surface is cold rolled steel, and not stainless like those pricier ones from bbqguys.com. That means it has to be treated like cast iron - seasoned and so on. Mine is living outside in the rain, with a cover on it, and seems to be doing ok.
                      Last edited by jfmorris; November 5, 2020, 02:46 PM.

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