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    Spring time - time for a new build! 125-gallon offset.

    This one's short and thick, like Panhead John's lady friends.

    30" diameter tank, 48" long, but only a little over 26" between the seams. 125-gallons. This tank is essentially exactly one half of the previous 250s I've built out as the Mk48 and the Mk48.2 that I built for the guys at Hogmollie BBQ. This will probably go on another yard cart, but not sure what I'll do about wheels and such yet. I have a couple of set of golf cart wheels I could use, but once I got them on, I thought they looked a little dinky on previous builds. I thought about some big casters, but that makes it really tough to move in grass, and getting it in and out of the shop every day (or multiple times a day, often) would be a bear. So... who knows. I'll have to see where the build takes me. This is in the development stages for now.

    Anyways, this little(ish) tank had a lot of valves and gauges and stuff, all lined up on one side, which makes for a challenge when it comes to cutting them out and patching the tank. If there are 2 or 3 gauges and they've got some space between them, it's not too hard to cut them out and weld in square or round patches. But these are really too close together for that, which means... things are a bit more complicated.

    Here's the tank once I used the plasma to cut a hole in the head after filling with 30 or 40 gallons of water and dish soap.

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    Cutting out a large section like that presents its own challenges. Namely, structural integrity, but this isn't a weight-bearing structure or anything like that, nor will it be a pressure vessel ever again. BUT, when you cut out large pieces, it relieves some of the stresses in the metal, and adds new ones when you weld in a new chunk. Heat affects things, as well. The concern is what's going to happen to it when you cut a door into it? Well, the door is going to be on the opposite side as these gauges, but the stresses and heat can still affect it from the other side anyways. And you have to think about the weld seams from when the tank was originally rolled from a single sheet of steel and welded together. The longitudinal weld seam on this tank is along the bottom, as it sits in this pic. You really want your door to be far away from the weld seams, as that is where the most heat and stress have been applied, but I'm also about to create MORE weld seams in it, too. Oh well, not much you can do about it but deal with it, right? Right! I can work on reshaping a door (or the tank) if it pops or relaxes once it is cut out. Just gotta do what you gotta do.

    So... first I took my Dewalt slicer to it, but in trying to get as close to the valves as I could, I was worried about lateral stress on the cutting wheels and a wheel shattering and putting my eye out or something, like in the movie A Christmas Story. Definitely didn't want that, so I ended up moving the tank into the shop and cut it free with my new plasma cutter (Primeweld CUT60). Here it is after cutting it free.

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    Then to decide how to make the patch. Hmmmm...

    I could have just cut some steel plate and welded it in place, but that would be flat, and wouldn't match the contour of the rounded 30" diameter tank. For small patches, sometimes this is ok, but if you want it to look decent afterwards, it's much better if you contour your patch. But how to do that?

    I decided to use my band roller, which is a handy tool, but I can only roll 3" strips at a time. First rule of getting good cuts with plasma is meticulous layout of your cuts, and then using a guide to run your torch along. This took some effort to get set up, but it is worth it to get good material to work with. Have to mark where you want to cut, and then calculate the offset from your guide to the opening on your plasma cutter and factor in the kerf thickness as well. Then how much you're going to take off with the grinder flattening it out and cleaning it up afterwards, as no plasma cut is perfect unless you're using a CNC plasma table - or at least mine aren't! Here is one of my cuts laid out and ready to go.

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    Luckily my 2 pieces ended up exactly 3" wide, then I used my roller to bend them little by little and matched them to the curvature of the tank itself.

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    Now marked to cut into sections 5 1/8" long, which is the 'height' of my opening in the tank.

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    Cut section beveled to allow for better welding.

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    Coupons also beveled and aligned to make up my patch:

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    Tacked together:

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    Then tacked together on front, cut loose and heavily tacked on backside to prevent warping of my patch when I fully weld it all together.

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    I took it all outside and ground down all the tacks to be smooth on the inside of the tank. I'll need to trim it down some, as it's about an inch too long (I wanted to give myself some 'wiggle room' for error), then clean up the bevels, and weld it all in place, probably tomorrow.

    So this is the method I used for patching this tank. Hopefully it'll all come out well once I get it welded in and grind everything down and it'll look pretty close to the original tank contour.

    We shall see...

    More to come tomorrow or later in the week.


    #2
    Great write up. This was a pleasure to read. I like following projects like these. I love the patch work idea. Problem solving is int he shop is where the true "art" comes in!

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    • DogFaced PonySoldier
      DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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      Thank you, sir. I feel like doing the extra work to make the patch fit and match better is just one of those little 'extras' - a lot more time and effort, but I think it'll show up in the details at the end of it all, instead of just welding in a flat piece of plate to cover the hole. We shall see!

    • Spinaker
      Spinaker commented
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      It will for sure make a difference. Having it match the contour of the tank will make it all but invisible. Like you said, you don't want a flat spot in the side of the tank.

    #3
    A tank like that would definitely get me to finally fill up my big oxy-acetylene bottles.

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      #4
      Nice work on the patch!

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        #5
        Lookin' forward to this build too.

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          #6
          This is the size of build I have been waiting to see you put together. This will look great with the golf cart sized wheels!

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          • DogFaced PonySoldier
            DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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            Yes, it may with the smaller wheels, especially if I do it a little lower and narrower. Will have to try to keep the weight down, this is a little thicker than 1/4" on the tank, so it's not a lightweight.

          #7
          Nice job @DogFaced PonySoldier​ One question, I've read where you want to be careful of what kind of tank you start with, like not using ones used for industrial chemicals, etc.... How do you decide which type of tank is good to use for a cooker?

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          • DogFaced PonySoldier
            DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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            Mostly what I've used are old propane tanks, which are fine. I've seen people using old fuel tanks and fuel cells, these need to be cleaned out well, but not much problem, unless it's diesel or something really corroded the inside of the tank a lot. I don't know about any industrial chemicals, I haven't run across those, really.

          #8
          Looks great! It’s been fun to follow along with both you and my local friends who are skilled at this type of work! I look forward to seeing how this build goes.

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            #9
            Took a while, rough weather this week and lots of stuff going on. But I went out today and got my patch welded in place.

            Had to trim it down some, about an inch off one end, and just about 1/8 inch off the width, tacked on a couple of pieces of scrap to serve as tabs to keep it from falling in the tank.

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            Got it tacked in place, used a little light sledge work on it to get it kinda even as I went. Wanted to get it tacked solid so it wouldn't pull and deform when I welded it.

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            Finally got it fitted up pretty well and then welded it all out.

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            It looks pretty rough right now, of course, but when I get back out and grind all those welds down flat, it should be better. I purposely made them big, heavy and thick, I wanted good penetration and no holes when I grind it all flat. At least I hope so. lol. We'll see, maybe tomorrow.

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              #10
              Now I'm trying to decide what I'm going to do with this tank. I just don't know. Another trailer? I have an axle and plenty of tubing, I could built another trailer. Or put it on golf cart wheels? Some nice ones, maybe, try to trick it out and fancy it up a bit? Or pick up a set of ATV wheels and make it a monster yard cart like several I've done before?

              I just don't know.

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              • DogFaced PonySoldier
                DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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                Yes, this will go up for sale someday. I do also kinda feel offroad carts and backyard style seem to be more... marketable than trailer mounted.

              • Jerod Broussard
                Jerod Broussard commented
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                I feel 250 or larger would be better suited for a trailer. What would that sell for on good cart tires? Asking for a friend I haven't met yet.

              • DogFaced PonySoldier
                DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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                I don't know, all depends on how I finish it out. Insulated, uninsulated, single/double racks, folding exhaust or not, how nice I go on the wheels and tires, external shelves, all the added accoutrements and things, etc.. Figure $2k for a bare bones stripped down basic model, up to $4k for nicer, well-finished version?

              #11
              Super cool. Envious of your abilities. Thank you for sharing!

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              • mrichie1229
                mrichie1229 commented
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                Agreed!

              #12
              Initial:

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              The hole:

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              The patch:

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              Welded in place:

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              And completed:

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              Come out ok, I think!

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              • Jerod Broussard
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                Are you gonna cut it out again for the doors?

              • DogFaced PonySoldier
                DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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                Door be on the other side. lol

              #13
              Been a while since I updated. Wasn't able to do anything through lots of April due to rains and the ground around the shop being totally soaked and soggy, didn't want to tear up the ground and leave deep ruts, etc. Anyways, finally got out to get some more work done:

              I kinda overcomplicated it a bit in trying to keep the weight down, as this is a backyard pit on golf cart wheels. Doing a 24" .250 wall thickness pipe inside, insulated with ceramic fiber, then sheathed in a box of 1/8". I didn't want 1/8 on the pipe endcaps, though, so I cut out 1/4" plate for the endcaps of the pipe - this is the overcomplicated part. I'm going to inset the 1/4" plate in the pipe, weld it in, then fit over the top of that with 1/8" plate with 24" holes cut out. So it'll be 1/4" in the hot inner pipe area, 1/8" in the outer part. I prolly shoulda just done 1/4" on the whole endplates of the box and 1/8" on the sides, but oh well. It's a challenge, and we all learn as we go - or else we're not getting better, right? Right!

              Also going to do a vault-style door that is insulated as well - another complicated aspect is putting in an air inlet - like a butterfly valve or pinwheel damper or something, but having to go through 2 layers of the vault door, keep everything lined up properly and weld it all in place without distortion. We'll see!
              ​​

              Used the circle cutter on my new plasma to do some endcaps.

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              Used the Metabo to cut out and bevel this one with the throat opening.

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              Had to rotate around to find the right orientation where this fit well.

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              Something a lot of people don't realize - this pipe usually isn't truly round. It's 'egged out' some, meaning just sitting there under its own weight, it will sag a bit and widen on the sides and shorten top to bottom. This happens at any of the larger sizes, I think 18" or greater, if it's 1/4" wall thickness or so. I believe (not 100%, but I THINK) that I was told this happens all the way up to 3/8" wall thickness, where it is strong enough to hold its own weight. This is why they love 3/8" so much for oilfield pipe, where it sits around for years sometimes. So, anyways, this presents an issue when you are cutting out a perfect circle (or as perfect as my palsied hands can achieves, lol) and then trying to fit that circular cutout into the slightly oval-ish pipe. Problems.

              Anyways, rolled it around, got it fitted into the right (ish) spot and tacked it in place.

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              Next - to weld this in:

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              Ground those welds down a little bit, so the endplate of the firebox would sit a little more flat on it:

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              And then weld the 1/8" to the pipe, surrounding the 1/4" endcap - hoping it mostly came out pretty flat and essentially on the same plane in the longrun. Close, but nothing is perfect. Especially with my fitup skills. lol

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              As you can see... in a couple of spots, I got some warping of the 1/8. This is something I'll have to hammer out and work on when doing fitment of the box. It was a challenge, for sure.

              On to the box build!!!

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                #14
                Had to find TDC with the endcap leveled to make sure I could 'clock' the end plates of the box properly.

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                Endplates in place:

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                Welded the open end from the backside, to keep the lip of the pipe as free, flat and even as possible - this will be important later on with the door.

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                This required rolling this thing around in 100 different orientations to weld it well. I didn't want to just sit it flat on the floor and weld it out, because my knees and back suck. lol. But I did some of that, too, at the end. Skipping sections, jumping around, like tightening lugnuts on a car tire.

                Insulation in place:

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                2 layers of 1-inch 2400ºF ceramic fiber mat. This stuff works well.

                Then start applying layers of the box and welding in place:

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                Lots of shifting it around, changing orientations, etc.

                Used pipe clamps to pull edges together - again, no fitup is perfect, and with my skills AND the distortion you saw in that plate above, it took some work. And a BFH as Ahumadora likes to call it - a big f***ing hammer. lol

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                Next post is the final iteration.

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                  #15
                  Finally got it done, although not completely welded out. Just enough to hold things in place, wife called in the middle of this job and wanted me to go to see some friends of ours. <sigh> Can't get anything finished in one setting. Oh well.

                  Here is where it sits, awaiting the completion of some of the edges being welded out.

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                  As you can see, it's a big beast, sitting next to the tank it is going to be joined up to. But, it's fully insulated and only 1/8" sheathing box, which should be plenty strong now that it is all welded together. I am glad I went this route - with 1/4" all the way around, this thing would have been a lot heavier. Yes, it was more work, more fitup, more challenging. But, I think the hundred-fifty to two hundred pounds or so will be good weight savings.

                  Next to work on the bank vault style door, air inlet through it and then attach firebox to tank and get it on some wheelios....

                  Here's the wheels I've chosen for this project:

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                  It's going to be NIIIIIICE.

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                  • RiverJeff
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                    Has this one been spoken for, or just another project for ya?

                  • DogFaced PonySoldier
                    DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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                    No, no potential owner for this one as of yet.

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