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    Pit Boss ceramic griddle follow up

    I’ve had my Pit Boss Ultimate, ceramic coated griddle, for roughly 18 months now. I did a favorable review on these pages more than a year ago which seemed to influence a number of fellow members here.

    Last night I tuned into Meathead monthly fireside chat where he hooked up with The Flat Top King and talked about most things griddle cooking in general. By the end of the video conference it occurred to me that I hadn’t even cooked on my flat top in about 3 months. With daily temps here in Central Texas running around 105 degrees for most of that time, I had little motivation to stand over a hot griddle for any length of time. The various smokers and grills I did use only required short spurts of attention so were more tolerable. Seasoned griddle users are aware that extended periods of time with no use will often result in unwanted attacks on the cooking surface of a patio griddle. Rust, mold, critter deposits, and other undesirable things are not uncommon. We have a semi feral cat who does a very good job of discouraging pests, and I’m pretty good about cleaning so mold doesn’t invade very often. One of the expected features of the ceramic coating is to prevent rust, and for the most part it did its job.

    “For the most part” being the operative phrase, I want to discuss what I found and how it’s being resolved. Here is a picture of what I found when the cover was removed, and the lid opened. The main part of the surface looks just fine, it’s just in this one area of a tight 90 degree joint between the large flat cooking surface and the front edge wall. My guess is that as often happens with coating processes, edges and tight corners don’t always get adequate or durable coating. This is usually a process problem caused by poor pre coating preparation, or inadequate material transfer into difficult areas. Whatever the cause, I have a small rust issue to deal with. BTW, this is along the front edge and is likely the result of my not being as thorough as needed in drying the surface after cleaning with water. I probably left a small amount of moisture in that tight edge/corner, and it did what water will do to steel.

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    Fortunately, this product has a two-year warrantee against defects, so I dug into my paperwork and found my purchase receipt. Just over 18 months to the day since purchased. I called the Pit Boss customer service line, got an answer on the second ring, then had a nice conversation with an articulate young man. He e-mailed me a link to forward a picture of the rust, and stayed on the phone line to ensure that the picture came through at his end. He promptly processed the replacement cook top order and emailed me a copy of the order. Tracking info will follow within a couple business days.

    But that’s not the end of my action plan. I’m very happy that Pit Boss willingly agreed to replace the top without any drama. That said, I’m planning to keep that replacement top in stock for potential future use if needed. Having dealt with rusty sheet metal repair in the old car hobby for a few decades, repairing the small amount of rust I’ve got won’t be much of a challenge. Since it’s not in the cooking zone I intend to clean it up and continue to use the top as I have been. I’ll use some Scotchbrite to remove the minimal crusty stuff, then treat with phosphoric acid to convert the rust to an oxide, and then season the area with oil as would be done with a carbon steel pan. Since the repair is not in an area that comes in contact with food or cooking tools it should hold up just as well as a bare steel top that’s been seasoned, and resist rusting likewise. If this ends up being a prelude to continued rusting under the ceramic and the damage spreads into the cook area, I’ll have the new replacement griddle as my fall back.

    Am I worried that it would prove to be a continuing problem? No, I’ll have solutions regardless. First the replacement top, and second, I can remove all the ceramic coating and treat it like any other rolled steel top that requires my seasoning it for usage. Either way I’ll continue to have a functioning cooker.

    Would I still recommend this product to others? Yes, because it still offers a viable alternative to higher maintenance bare steel tops that are the bulk of the market. Of course it would still be a conditional recommendation……………just as almost any cooker recommendation would be. Some people can’t figure out how to run an offset. I wouldn’t recommend one to them even though I find them relatively easy to run, and feel that I could give useful instruction or suggestions. The same for a barrel smoker, a kettle grill, or a pizza oven. We’ve all met people who seem very able to get in their own way when it comes to learning new skills. Griddles do seem to hold more mystery though. If you go on a resale site, e.g. FB Marketplace, Craigs List, or whatever, you’ll see a significant number of Blackstone griddles with nasty, rusted, cruddy tops for sale. Does that automatically mean that Blackstone griddles (or any other for that matter) are inherently defective? Obviously not.

    I will say to my fellow Pit Boss ceramic coated griddle brethren here, keep an eye on your griddle top and be aware of your warrantee period. If you need to get a replacement it’s pretty painless, and if you don’t, griddle on.

    #2
    BOB! It was great to have your contributions last night. I must confess, I am attracted to the reduced maintenance promise of the ceramic. How do you clean it after a cook? Are there times when things burn on and get gnarly? Does it come off easily? Any pros and cons to this unit?

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    #3
    1) I have a scratch in my Pit Boss ceramic top, down to bare metal. Pit Boss sent me a replacement. I did exactly as you are doing: I seasoned the scratched area, forgot about it, and I have the replacement top in storage.

    2) Meathead I’ve gone down a few (successful, all) paths for cleaning, and hit on the easiest as:

    When you’re done cooking, remove all the food and turn off the burners. Then squirt it down with water, so to deglaze it. Others will say to leave the burners on, and let the steam work, but that is a PITA, and food is on the table NOW. Just squirt it down, with enough water that it doesn’t fully evaporate, and let the water sit there. After dinner, wipe it off, using more water if necessary, with a scrubby sponge. You know the one, spongy on one side and scrubby on the other. Make sure you get ALL the residue, but it isn’t hard because the water has been working on it for half an hour. Keep wiping, using more water, until a paper towel wipes clean; then wipe it again with an oiled paper towel, and then clean that oil off (it will leave a thin coat of oil just a few molecules thick).

    It sounds complicated, but it isn’t, and it took as long to type that as it does to clean the top. It’s squirt, wait. Then scrubby, wipe, wipe, oil, wipe. Done.

    3) I love my ceramic top griddle, but it is definitely not the same as a steel top. For some things it is absolutely better (example: eggs); for other things, it is absolutely not (example: smashburgers). But that just makes it different. EVERY tool we use involves compromises, and every tool has a learning curve to maximize its effectiveness and efficiency. There are trade offs to every one. In the end, you should pick the trades that are easiest for you to make.

    You know what I miss most? I miss that wonderful sound of steel spatulas on a steel cooktop! We cook with all of our senses, after all, not just our eyes and noses and fingers and tongues! But I’ll trade that, and that last 20% of smashburger, for the ease of cleanup and the amazing omelets. Someone else, their calculus might be different. Better really is relative.

    This is one year in, used in all weather hot and cold, and at least 100 cooks:

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      #4
      Why do smash burgers not work?

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      • Mosca
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        They get a crust, but it isn’t the same nice hard crust that you get of a stainless griddle, or off a cast iron pan (which is what I use when it’s raining). You have to invert the plastic spatula, take a really high angle, and work at it, but when it flips it’s just browned, not crusted. It’s still a great burger; it’s just not a great smashburger. And I’ve done probably 3-4 dozen, and keep getting the same results. It helps to put it in a different place after turning, but only a little.

      • Mosca
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        Next time I’ll shoot some snaps and post them, with a tag. Maybe Sunday. It’s GREAT for cheesesteaks, and chicken cheesesteaks, where the hard crust isn’t required.

      #5
      Meathead If you read the above linked original write up, including added info in all the back and forth with other members here I think you'll get most of your answers. I'll add that for the best "clean as you go" equipment I use these: Amazon.com: KitchenAid Gourmet Bowl Scraper, Set of 2, Aqua Sky/Sorm Grey: Home & Kitchen​ The grey one is fairly rigid and good for stuck on stuff. At the end of cook while still warm I squirt on water and close the lid to retain some steam. Then follow up with the teal squeegee.

      I know you've gotten some negative leaning commentary from Neal and his high usage might be a factor, or it could be his preference for steel tools that just aren't compatible with the ceramic. If you want specific discussion of those points let me know.

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      • Mosca
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        I got those scrapers based on your recommendation, but I don’t use them for the griddle anymore… I use them a lot for other stuff, though! I just go right to the scrubby sponges, the only part of any of my cooks that sticks hard is the stuff that changes the reflection from shiny to flat, and that isn’t coming off with a scraper.

      #6
      Meathead, for some reason I can't comment on your smash burger question so here it is:
      As Mosca says, each person's calculous is different. I find that you need to use the hottest zone and be patient to form the crust. Or at least a crust that I'm satisfied with. I use a minimum of oil with most foods, and I grind my own beef to 75/25, or so, which yields plenty of it's own lube. Maybe store bought ground is different. It's my opinion that most of the gunky griddle complaints are from using too much oil (amounts that work on normal seasoned non ceramic griddles), not understanding that the extra oil leaves gummy deposits. BTW, my top looks just like the pic Mosca shows, it's not hard if you stay on top of it.

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      • Mosca
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        I use no oil at all now for the smashers. It does help to bump the heat some, but mine will get gray all across the top and still not get the same nice crust I get indoors on the skillet.

      #7
      Thank you for this thread and all the detailed sharing. It has helped me understand my Pit Boss Ultimate better, at least from a cooking standpoint. My only issue I have had with my 2-burner Ultimate is high temp cooking, such as smashburgers. It just does not get hot enough (max 450-ish in just one area directly over the straight burner). I had thought, until I read this thread, that maybe getting the 3-burner would overcome that. You folks, who have 3 or 4 burner versions, highlight it is the surface that is the limitation, at least that is what I glean from this.

      I still love my griddle and the ease of clean-up and the lack of need to season the griddle. And I have Grill Grates on my gasser plus its infrared burner to do searing and smashburgers if I really want superhot cooking. I find that using very little oil, if at all, and doing basically what Mosca does for clean-up works like a champ.

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        #8
        Uncle Bob its interesting that you got that rust in a corner like that, as that is similar to where I tend to get similar spots after extended periods of letting my Camp Chef 6 burner griddle sit unused. It tends to get a little rust down in the back corners or down in the grease trough - places that don't take the seasoning as well, or get cleaned as well after cooking. The grease trough for me tends to be the worst area, as it just doesn't get hot like the rest of the surface, since it is probably 4-5 inches in front of the burners, hanging out off the front edge of the griddle, so it has never seasoned as well as the rest of the surface. Plus using a soft cover, it is probably one of the areas more prone to any moisture that might get through the soft cover.

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          #9
          Just to put a cap on this discussion I had some time today to do smash burgers. I'm not a trendy guy I guess, I like them, but they aren't my go to for burgers. I looked the other day when this conversation was active and realized I didn't have any past smash burger cook pictures. So, here's a fresh off the griddle pic from today (yeah, the one on the right crumbled a bit in the flip). Your call on whether this is a decent sear...........................head's up for you Meathead

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          • Mosca
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            Smashers are still pretty far in our meal planning future, but when they come up I’ll take some shots (or maybe a video!) and add them here.

          • Jim White
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            Good enough for me! I've been happy with just about all the smash burgers I've made on my ceramic top. Only dissatisfaction has been a few user errors.

          #10
          I am going to get this one, the 3 burner
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          • GolfGeezer
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            Walmart online shows the Sierra was out-of-stock, well yesterday. Didn’t check today

          • Uncle Bob
            Uncle Bob commented
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            Still shows that way today.................that's often the situation when something is discontinued but not updated. Or.......they may be in negotiation for another round and haven't settled the particulars.

          • Mosca
            Mosca commented
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            Regarding Walmart and the Sierra: you have to check individual stores. I started with the ones closest to me, and wound up with a hit on the 5th closest, about 15 miles away. Folks have reported getting them for under $200, as recently as a couple days ago.

          #11
          So, does this mean Uncle Bob gets the new title of Meathead Enabler?

          (Love the thread Bob)

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          • Uncle Bob
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            I'll take that...................................no one is immune................

          #12
          Meathead I wasn’t planning on doing burgers for a while, but Mrs Mosca requested them, so I decided to learn a new thing: make a video, and upload it to YouTube. I did two: the first one shows how a smashburger crust turns out on a ceramic topped griddle, plus it has the first part of clean up; the second shows the finish of cleanup, about half an hour later.




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          • Panhead John
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            What a kawenceedence, I’m fixing to do smash burger on mine too.
            Last edited by Panhead John; October 3, 2023, 05:24 PM.

          #13
          Meathead, did you ever follow up with the Pit Boss 3 burner? Just curious. I park mine right outside the door to the deck in the winter and use it from the comfort of inside the house!

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          • Meathead
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            Still playing with it. Winter in Chicago has slowed me down a bit. But so far I am loving it. Big advantage is easy cleanup and you don't have to season it and worry about rust.

          #14
          Just did my first cook. The cleanup is so easy it makes sense over the rest. My smash burgers weren't true smash burgers but they got crispy

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