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    #46
    Pequod ... Do this.

    In a cereal bowl put in 50 grams of bread flour and 50 grams of Whole Wheat flour. Add 100 grams of water. Stir it with a spoon. When you're done stirring wet your thumb and index finger of the hand the spoon is not in with water. Put the dough stuck to the spoon back in the bowl. Seal the bowl with plastic wrap. Leave it out on your kitchen counter.

    In 3 or 4 days your starter will start producing bubbles to the point it will look like your old starter did when it was active. It's faking you out though. It's not ready to use yet. Dump out 100 grams and feed it 25 grams of bread flour, 25 grams of WW flour and 50 grams of water. Stir it up, cover it up with plastic wrap and leave it on your counter top.

    At this point it will go dormant and the inexperienced person will think their attempt at making a sourdough starter has failed.Ò˜¹ï¸ What is happening is the 2 different types of bacteria in your culture have quit doing what they are supposed to do because they are battling each other for position inside the culture. They quit eating and digesting flour and water so... There will be no more bubbles during this part of the process and you will think this starter has failed.

    It's important from the first time you dumped and fed your starter you do the exact same dump and feed every 24 hours from that day on, even though there is no, zero, zilch activity in your starter.

    After about 6 or 7 days of being dormant you will wake up one morning, look at your new starter and it will be fully bloomed.πŸ‘ You will smile and think, woohoo, I did it! But, it's probably still not ready to make dough with just yet, close though. Dump and feed it 2 more days just like before.

    This is how you test your starter to determine if it is ready to levin dough with. Fill up a water glass with water. Get a teaspoon and wet it with water. Scoop a teaspoon of your starter out of the cereal bowl and dump it in the water glass... If it floats it ready to use to make pizza dough or a loaf of sourdough bread with. If it sinks, it's not active enough to use yet.

    I'm keeping the size of this culture very small during this process because you're going to dump out and waste to much flour if we did this on a bigger scale. After the culture becomes strong, healthy and happy, if you want to make it larger just feed it a bigger quantity of flour and water, 100, 200 or 300 grams of flour and water and in less than 24 hours that quantity of starter will pass the float test.

    Always feed your starter equal amounts of flour and water... That means your starter will be a 100% hydration starter. Bakers like 100% starters because it makes it easy for them to mix with their other ingredients knowing that the starter is exactly 50% flour and 50% water. That way they can scale a dough recipe up or down without using a calculator.

    The starter you will have at this point will not be very tangy, it will be very mild. There is a way to manipulate your starter so it will become very tangy. Let me know if you want to do that and I'll walk you through it.

    It's that easy and it's almost fail proof... Give it a try.πŸ‘
    Last edited by Breadhead; July 11, 2016, 03:35 PM.

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    • Pequod
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      Excellent. Easy. One question: what happens if I don't feed it daily? There are many times - like now - when I travel for work and can't count on wife to remember feeding. Is there weekly feeding regimen that works once the starter is started?

    • Pequod
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      Breadhead, we have liftoff on the starter. 9-10 days and we'll give that Neapolitan sourdough a go. Can you point me to the conversion of the Stella Culinary recipe to sourdough? Thanks!

    #47
    Pequod ...

    Hmmm... Not sure about missing daily feeds during the original build process. I've never experienced that. My gut tells me it will just slow the process down some. I think you would be ok, not sure though.

    After you have a healthy starter you can start storing it in your refrigerator and feeding it once a week. That will actually make it tangier too.
    Last edited by Breadhead; July 13, 2016, 05:45 PM.

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    • Pequod
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      That works. I'll start it per your directions when I have a 9-10 day stretch at home. Once healthy, I'll revert to the fridge and weekly feedings. Thanks much!

    #48
    I can't open my top vent all the way but I managed a picture.
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    • dajoker
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      Breadhead it was delicious. I love how the high heat gives the crust a light crunchiness.

    • CeramicChef
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      Ya know, I like those Broil King Kegs! They are cooking machines and that is one super fine looking pizza! Kudos to you and the Keg!

    • dajoker
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      Guest thanks. I love the keg. Contacted Broil King and they are sending me a new ash container. If that doesn't fix the leak they want to work through it. Good warranty and customer service.

    #49
    Pequod commented
    July 13th, 2016, 04:38 PM
    Breadhead, we have liftoff on the starter. 9-10 days and we'll give that Neapolitan sourdough a go. Can you point me to the conversion of the Stella Culinary recipe to sourdough? Thanks!


    Sourdough Neapolitan pizza dough:

    INGREDIENTS - Chef Jacob Burton
    00 Pizza Flour (100%)
    Water, Cold (59%)
    Yeast, Instant (0.3%)
    Salt, Kosher (1.5%)

    Our delayed fermentation sourdough Neapolitan dough will be this.

    560 grams - 00 Pizza Flour (100%)
    330 grams - Water, Cold (59%) of the weight of the flour.
    9 grams - Salt (1.60%) of the weight of the flour.
    1 tablespoon of sourdough starter.

    1. Pour your water into your mixing bowl.
    2. Add the starter to the water, stir it in a little.
    3. Add your flour 1/3 at a time, stirring lightly, until all of the flour has been absorbed by the water. As soon as there is no loose flour stop stirring.
    4. Cover your bowl with plastic wrap and let it rest for 30 minutes.
    5. Add the salt and mix it into your dough.

    Then follow Chef Jacob's instructions in the video. Delay the fermentation overnight in the fridge.

    That will give you 3 pizza crusts at 290 grams apiece.

    Now let's say you didn't plan ahead for the delayed fermentation process but still wanted to make this EXACT dough in the morning and bake it for dinner that night. The recipe would be as follows.

    460 grams - 00 Pizza Flour
    230 grams - Water
    200 grams - Sourdough starter
    9 grams - Salt

    It's exactly the same amount of flour & water as the recipe above. We just used the flour & water from your stater (which is 50% flour & 50% water) to give the dough a faster rise.

    Same day dough is not as good as slowly fermented overnight dough but... It's still pretty darn good.πŸ˜†

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    • Pequod
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      Terrific! Thanks again for your willingness to teach.

    • Breadhead
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      Someone taught me once and made me promise to pass it on. I'll expect you to pay it forward too.πŸ‘

    • Pequod
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      That's a promise!

    #50
    Tried my hand at Neapolitan style pizza on my Kamado Joe. Followed Chef Jacob's instructions on Stellaculinary.com for the dough sauce and cooking. Got some stuff to work on to nail this down. Bottom cooked faster than top and the sauce was probably a bit too watery.
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      #51
      Nice... Very nice. You pizza pies look great! Did you use 00 flour? What temperature did you bake them at? I love your set up in your cooker.πŸ‘

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      • W.A.
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        Yes, I used 00 flour. Temp on the dome therm was 800F. Had to pull them around 2min because the bottom was cooking too fast.

      #52
      W.A. That's a great looking pie. Don't you love it when the "mistakes" taste great.

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        #53
        W.A. ... Nice. I think you are the 1st Neapolitan 800Β° pizza cooker in the Pit.πŸ‘ Job well done! 2 minutes is a long pizza cook at 800Β°. I keep an eye on mine by Stareing down the Pie Hole the second I close my dome. Mine only stay on about 90 seconds. Good job on stretching and shaping your dough too.πŸ‘Œ How many grams each were your dough balls when you portioned them?

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        • W.A.
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          Thank you Breadhead . The dough balls were slightly less than mentioned in the recipe, ~270g. I think I stretched them too thin and the first rise was going real fast, so I just threw it the fridge overnight. The final texture of the bread inside the crust was superb.

        #54
        W.A.

        You did good. I find that trying a new dough never goes perfect the on first attempt. The second and third time I can usually nail it. Just do it over and over until you get it the way you like it. If the top is not browning enough for you, add sugar to 2% of the weight of the flour. That will help caramelize the crust faster, but that's a double edge sword because the bottom will brown faster too.

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          #55
          Okay...Neapolitan Sourdough looking through the pie-hole.

          First, Starter mixed with water:

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          Giving her all she's got. Red hot coals + full blast BBQ dragon. I'm claiming an inaccurate dome therm.
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          • W.A.
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            Awesome!

          • Breadhead
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            +1^ what W.A. Said.πŸ‘

          #56
          Looks good but I think you could increase the hydration a bit - the dough looks dry and you should have had a better rise once placed in the cooker.

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            #57
            Pequod ...

            Great job and a great write up! You are the first and only sourdough Neapolitan pizza maker in the Pit.πŸ‘ You Da Man for sure!!!

            At what temp do you think you cooked at? How long did your pie stay in your cooker?

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            • W.A.
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              And what it taste like? Did it have a little SD tang?

            • Pequod
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              I think it was around 800. I ran today with a Maverick and noted the dome was reading nearly 100 degrees under the probe (400 on the probe and 300 on the dome).

            #58
            Originally posted by RonB View Post
            Looks good but I think you could increase the hydration a bit - the dough looks dry and you should have had a better rise once placed in the cooker.
            Ron... The contents of REAL Neapolitan Pizza is actually regulated by the State in Italy. In Italy IF you put Neapolitan pizza on your menu you MUST use 00 flour, it MUST have 59% hydration and it must be baked at a minimum of 800°... Or you can be fined for false advertising. I wouldn't mess with the recipe, personally.😎

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            • RonB
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              OK - I looked at the photos again and the shot of the dough balls looks much better, but the shot of the dough in the mixer just looks way to dry to me... I guess it just needed more time to fully hydrate.

            • Pequod
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              Right...the hydration was correct, but it definitely looked dry and crumbly before the autolyse. The dough became soft and pliable after that.

            • Breadhead
              Breadhead commented
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              59% hydration dough is intended to feel fairly dry. That's what's going to give you a thin bottom crust that gets fairly crisp in 90 seconds on the pizza stone. You outer crust on the top is going to be fairly open and soft because you forced the gases out that way during the final shaping process.πŸ‘

            #59
            RonB ...

            I'm pretty sure Pequod is far enough along in his bread journey that he accurately measured his water content. I'm pretty sure he mixed it to the shaggy state and allowed it to autolyse for awhile before adding the salt and finishing the mixing process and he gave it a 24 hour delayed fermentation in the fridge.

            The kind of dark bottom and the blond top can be corrected in his cooker I think, I'm not absolutely sure on this, but this is what I would try.

            I would heat the cooker up extremely fast with the BBQ Dragon and not allow the pizza stone to get much past 500Β°/600Β° and have the cooking temperature up to 800Β°. I would use 2 layers of my silicone baking sheets and get the dough on with the cooker in that situation. That way he would have less radiant heat cooking the bottom of the dough but still have the 800Β° of convection heat cooking the top of the dough.

            It think that technique in his cooker will give him more even browning top and bottom.πŸ‘

            I give kudos to Pequod for having the guts to try this cook at such an early stage of his bread baking journey. He's got more guts than I had after building my first starter from scratch.πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
            Last edited by Breadhead; July 31, 2016, 08:46 AM.

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            • Pequod
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              Thanks! It's definitely a work in progress. I didn't get as much lift out of the sourdough starter as I'd hoped. Will need to play with that and your other tips some more to get it where I want it.

            #60
            Pequod ... Just watch Chef Jacob's steps in the video and try to use your stater at it's very peak and you will get all of the rise you want. Your baked crust will look exactly like Chef Jacob's when you perfect each step.

            Less than perfect bread or pizza dough is almost ALWAYS a technique mistake not a recipe mistake. If I had to guess why your crust didn't rise quite enough it would be in how you handled the dough once you took it out of the refrigerator.

            I divide my dough before doing the final shaping in the initial mixing process. I use the slap and fold process until it passes the window pane test. Then I shift to the tension tugs. I want that dough ball so tight you feel like if it gets any tighter it will tear open. Seal the bottom and put them on your sheet pan, cover them and put them to bed overnight in the fridge.

            The next day when you're going to stretch and shape them... Take them out of the fridge 2 hours before you want to use them. That is considered their final rise. To determine when they are actually ready to use do the poke test.

            The "Poke Test"... Right before you want to start to stretch your dough, put your index finger in a some flower and poke your dough with your finger 5/8 of an inch deep and pull it out quickly. If... Your dough springs back quickly, leaving NO dent, it's not ready to bake. It's under proofed. I think that's what happened to you.

            If your dough springs back half way and leaves a dent... It's perfectly proofed, time to bake it.πŸ˜†

            If your dough doesn't spring back at all... Your dough is over proofed.😑

            There is a window of time after you take it out of the fridge where you achive perfection. However if you're too early it's under proofed. If you're too late it's over proofed.

            The temperature in your final proofing area determines when that window is. I start my poke test 1 hour after removing it from the fridge in 72Β° ambient temperature. It's usually not ready then but I want to know what it looks like after 1 hour anyway. If your ambient temperature is lower the 72Β° the process will take longer. If your temperature is higher than 72Β° it will go faster.

            For every 15Β° below 72Β°... Your dough will require twice as long to final proof. Likewise for 15Β° over 72Β° your dough will final proof in half of the time. Use that as your guideline to anticipate what your dough is going to do.
            Last edited by Breadhead; July 31, 2016, 04:42 PM.

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            • Pequod
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              Awesome, thanks! I can see some things I'll do differently next time. I've been saving your tips to OneNote, so feel free to keep them coming.

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