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The curious case of sudden temperature drops (Flame Boss 300 + WSM)

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    The curious case of sudden temperature drops (Flame Boss 300 + WSM)

    I've started using my WSM 18" for more and more cooks, especially ribs as of late using a Flame Boss 300.

    In my 22" Weber Kettle + SNS the Flame Boss is 100% rock solid. I set a temperature and unless I run out of fuel, it's fine. When fuel begins to run out there is a rather gradual loss of temperature coupled with an uptick in fan speed—pretty much exactly what you would expect.

    With my WSM, there are very different problems. During the course of a cook, usually around 2 hours of everything going swimmingly, temperature drops rather suddenly (10 minutes). In all cases it's been around 30-40ºF (down from around 225ºF). My hunch, after the last cook, is that it has something to do with charcoal collapsing and air flow getting messed up. I don't think anything else would explain such a sudden drop. If I had too little fuel to maintain temperature, the process would be more gradual.

    In my kettle, air intake is much closer to the center. I also have a Drip N' Griddle pan which works as a diffuser. So the air blows in and spreads out evenly.

    I feel like in the WSM, everything goes will if the air is pumped in gradually—50% or less in terms of fan speed. However, if something lowers the efficiency, the cool air pulled isn't being consumed efficiently and, instead, is just cooling the WSM innards.

    (I've been using mostly Kingsford standard briquettes, if it matters that much.)

    I guess, as a start, for anyone using any sort of thermostatic controller/blower combo with a WSM, is there an ideal way to arrange your fuel? It's a little different than the standard setup because the air is coming in from one vent rather than all three as you would doing it without the blower.

    I'm also wonder if I should construct some sort of diffuser that forces the new air downward first, rather than at an upward angle toward one side of the charcoal as it does by default.

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    What size fan?

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      #3
      Whatever comes standard with the Flame Boss 300. Is 15 CFM the answer you’re looking for?

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      • Jerod Broussard
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        Yeah, that should be plenty. I had problems with my 26 kettle with my 6.5 cfm and bumping it up to 10 cfm solved it. That is plenty fan so it must be an air circulation thing.

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      Greetings All, TLDR; The MicroDamper fan can't flow enough air through the bends on the Air Burner so use the blower provided in the HeaterMeter Kit. Got fancy and figured, why not use the MicroDamper. Foolish move. This configuration had literally zero effect on the grill temp. Had I known, I...


      You could try this concept. Basically create a manifold inside below the charcoal to distribute the air. Read the thread, there’s talk about how many and how big of holes he needed to use and what kind of fan / blower to use.

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        Rfuilrez The last post there seems to confirm my theory. That setup looks super cool, although it doesn't sound like it worked well from the discussion. I think something simpler, like a half bowl that would force the air under the coals would probably be way easier to implement and build. (And I really dislike cutting holes in my Webers. Getting through the porcelain gives me a little heart attack each time.)

        This is super helpful. Time to head to the hardware store, lol.

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          Looking forward to what you come up with binarypaladin ...... In WSM22 I’m using Fireboard Drive and Auber 20CFM fan. And I see the same issues as charcoal starts to collapse and mess with airflow. Two things are obvious. One is that the fan pointing at an upward angle is an issue and your idea about creating a deflector makes sense. The other is how you set up the charcoal. I think the standard Harry Soo donut is problematic with a fan. I’ve started experimenting with fuse methods, but not happy yet.

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            ecowper funny you mention the donut. It’s exactly what I used each time. If I don’t diffuse I was thinking about banking coals to each side with a valley down the middle. The air should head up, hit the water pan and spread out. The main thing is probably keeping the area around the blower fairly clear.

            I mostly do ribs in the smoker but hanging chickens is next. Point is, I don’t worry about really long cooks since I use sous-vide for brisket, chuck, and pork shoulder.

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              ecowper binarypaladin
              I'm followin this with great interest, please, do keep us current as to new developments...

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                binarypaladin I don't sous vide, so my brisket, chuck, pork butt, beef ribs, etc are long cooks ..... I think I need to deflect the fan down under the charcoal ring.

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                  I'm gonna try the "valley" approach on my next long cook which, sadly, is probably a couple a weeks away. Mind you, since I do need to do this for science, I'm sure I can find a few people to come check my results. This is never a difficult thing.

                  I want to run to the hardware store and build something but I'm prepping my house to put it up for sale and I'm really sick of fixing things at the moment, lol.

                  Mr. Bones I'll definitely leave some updates when I have something to report, even if it's just failures.

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                  • Mr. Bones
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                    I doubt it will come out bad, brother, but...
                    We all have failures, but, ultimately, when learned from, they still contribute to progress...

                    Jus a part of Life; reckon I've failed a hunnert times more than most folks has even bothered to try, but I'm still out there, learnin, darin, tryin...

                    Lookin forward to sharin yer achievments, Brother!

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                  I hung some chickens on the rib hanger tonight, which means running a much hotter cook. Similar issues, all is well at first, but as soon as the air starts cooling more than it contributes to the heat, there are issues. A runaway sort of effect happens. I actually just pulled it out and did it by hand. I'm not actually sure if using the Flame Boss is worth it given how easy it is to hold temperature on the 18" WSM.

                  I didn't have a lot of fuel in this time since chickens cook pretty fast, but as I consider the issue more related to my previous cooks, my guess is that the charcoal itself was acting as a buffer when stacked high on the side with the Flame Boss intake. At some point, the blowing causes a collapse and the moment the cool air was no longer passing through the coals, it was cooling the rising air which was picked up by the probe and once the fan gets blowing... runaway.

                  It'd be nice if you could set a maximum fan speed on the Flame Boss. I think that alone would solve the problem.

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