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Again with the beans in chili. lol. I love it.

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    Again with the beans in chili. lol. I love it.

    First... the video.



    Some... uhhhh... "analysis". lol

    "I think that the flavor of chili should come from the chilis, the way chili was invented here in Texas, so that's my preference. But you certainly can make it however you want."

    "I'm not sure that anything is more polarizing than chili. Should beans belong in it or not? Well, I'll just put it to you this way. The original chili, created by the chili queens down in San Antonio, did not have beans in it. The flavor came from the chilis, right? And if you ever go to the World Championship Chili Cookoff in Terlingua, there are no fillers allowed. So no beans, no corn, no noodles, anything like that, because it's about tasting the chili."


    Then, as he adds a giant bowl of fire roasted tomatoes:

    "I know tomatoes aren't necessarily like real traditional. In the beginning of time, chili was not made with tomatoes, but very popular today."

    Next he adds in a whole jalapeno (also forbidden in Terlingua - see section I(B)(3) ), then cinnamon sticks and chocolate and talks about adding cloves, which he used to do, but doesn't anymore - not because it isn't 'traditional', but because his wife isn't a fan of the flavor.

    I know, I know... I love Matt, I love the Meat Church videos, I like his style, I have made many of his recipes and I truly appreciate his contribution to our community, in so many ways. I just thought the whole thing was funny - and is just as funny as every time someone starts talking about chili and folks from Texas (I'm Texan-born, BTW) get on their high horses and just flat out throw down the gauntlet. For what it's worth, I feel the same about the... ummm... folks from Philly and THEIR high horses. And some of the others he mentions, as well.

    It's all good to say, I don't like it that way, I don't think it should BE that way, whatever. And Matt was very respectful in the way he referred to it (UNLIKE MOST of the discussions I've seen/heard that involved Texans telling other people they're just flat out wrong and being rude, hateful or ugly about it) I do however love pointing out the inconsistencies in lots of things in life - including things I do myself.

    Food is what we make it. Traditional is one thing, ok, fine, but don't fall back on the 'traditional' mantra and beat that drum incessantly when you're doing all these other things too, just as an excuse to exclude ONE thing you don't like, for whatever reason. Intellectual honesty is important - something politicians in our country could use a dose of.

    Not to mention, he talks about the 'flavor should come from the chilis' in an effort to exclude beans from the mix - first of all beans usually (in my experience) don't really add any flavor to anything, they're pretty much a blank canvas - and then adds all kinds of non-traditional things that do VASTLY affect the flavor, and a whole HELL of a lot more than BEANS! Tomatoes, cinnamon, chocolate, cloves, etc.

    I just find it... FUNNY.

    AS ALWAYS. lol

    Bring it on! The mental gymnastics some folks (ok, some of US) go to in order to justify their own (ok OUR own) prejudices are quite comical.

    BTW - the Original Terlingua Championship Chili Cookoff (OTICCC) is going on NOW, RIGHT NOW, October 31st in Terlingua, TX. I was gonna suggest we make a Meat Up destination out of it sometime, do the regular Meat Up in the Austin area, then travel to Terlingua for the cookoff - it's 7 hours from Austin to Terlingua. Wowzers. But... might be something to think about, if anyone's interested in chili. I might be interested next year - depending on circumstances, of course. Although maybe we could look for something closer to the Meat Up ("traditional" Meat Up ) locale and consider that as an option.

    Alright, I've spent way too much time on this already this morning. I've got things I need to do.

    Later all!​

    #2
    Ous son has lived in Austin for a number of years now. We normally go to visit him once or twice a year. It has been traditional to hit at least one BBQ joint each time. BUT we have never had traditional TX chili. I mentioned this omission to our son early this year and he's ready to fix that. Googling best chili in Austin brings up a bunch of candidates that are on at least one "best of" list, and 4 were within 15 min of our son's house.

    Now we just need to make the trip...

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      #3
      I'm gonna add a Texas Meat Up to my retirement bucket list. As for cinnamon, cloves, allspice, etc. it sounds more like the Cincinnati Greek-style meat sauce. Ron White said all that needs to be said for this type of food.

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        #4
        Matt Pitman the pasture of neat church.
        Thanks for the post.

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          #5
          The discussion about what goes in chili has nothing to do with chili!

          My favorite chili of all is an original bowl of red: dried anchos (or guajillos), cubed beef, cumin, garlic, salt, Mexican oregano. I serve it with beans, rice, raw chopped onions, hot peppers, and cheese on the side. Then to eat it, I mix all those things in. That way I satisfy both purists and heretics, but mostly I satisfy ME.

          It’s hard traveling 7 hours to Texas. Traveling 7 hours within that visit, and then whatever else to get to the next airport, would put me out of the game. If I go to that cookoff, I’m going as a contestant!

          As an aside, MeatUps require a specific amount of structure, in a very specific way (of which Panhead John is a master, btw)(edited to add WayneT also hosted an OUTSTANDING NC MeatUp): Tell everyone to be at a single place (not a range of choices) at a certain time on a certain date. Everything after that happens organically. The more you plan, the less enjoyable they become; the more leeway you give in place, date and time, the harder it is to hold it all together. And they actually work best when they avoid large events: the week before the most recent MeatUp was the Texas/Georgia game in Austin, and next week is the BBQ Festival in Lockhart. Rooms would be hard to get, rates would be high, and lines would be long not just at Franklin’s etc but everywhere. I’m sure Terlingua during the Chili Cookoff would be the same!

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          • Panhead John
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            Thanks for that Mosca Yeah, no one is going to want to travel 7 hours anywhere after arriving. I’ve found that about the most people want to drive [after arriving] is about an hour or so for BBQ. Luckily, it hasn’t been a problem at any of the Meatups, most places were an hour or less away. Lockhart and the Burnt Bean were only 30 minutes from the hotel.

          • Uncle Bob
            Uncle Bob commented
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            Sometimes it's like herding cats............

          • acorgihouse
            acorgihouse commented
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            Agreed, Mosca , although I haven't been, the travel would be difficult for chili varieties. As I told you (I think), I maintain a SausageFest would be a winner though. Not because I love sausage, well, not only...

          #6
          I watched the video on IG yesterday as it made its way into my feed. I've seen many folks post their over the top chili cooks on social media, just never done one. My favorite smoked chili recipe is Malcom Reed's smoked brisket/chuck roast chili. I'll definitely be giving this Meat Church version a go, sans cinnamon sticks and jalapeno.

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          • Huskee
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            It's easy to overdo the smoke, FYI.

          #7
          I've had over the top chili and it's really good. But that in itself should disqualify it from being 'real' chili, as some continue to claim there is an authentic chili and a non-authentic chili. The silly debate about beans gets really old. No one cares about your pizza toppings or your salad ingredients, leave chili alone and let people live with their chili.

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          • Huskee
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            tstalafuse Ahh yes, pineapple. I get that. It's like ketchup on a hot dog. Not my thing. I think the frustrating thing with that is with a pizza, they're most often ordered to share, so tainting the whole meal with pineapple for 1 person who insists on it should be an ethical no-no. On just half, to suit that person, well to quote FireMan who gives a rip?!

          • tstalafuse
            tstalafuse commented
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            Huskee Apparently, a lot of people give a rip, which is why people wrestle in the mud over it. The only thing that I can say about tainting or not tainting is that it applies to everything, which is why beans should be left out. If you want beans, add them to your bowl separately.

            Oh, I completely agree with the ketchup on hot dogs.. now BBQ sauce is whole different condiment that can be put on hot dogs..

          • Argoboy
            Argoboy commented
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            I recently made a big batch Meatheads TX chilli, with beans and can pineapple chunks and the chilli was good but you could not taste the pineapple in the finished product. My wife liked it and it had good depth of flavour.

          #8
          Who gives a rip! Beans in chili. Noodles in chili! Fish on pizza! Pineapple on Pizza! Pineapple on Pizza? Pineapple ya say! Mebbee there are lines in the sand.

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          • captainlee
            captainlee commented
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            Where's klflowers when you need him?

          • Spinaker
            Spinaker commented
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            There is a guy from Sconi that works in my office and he eats chili with noodles in it. I laugh at him.....you are eating chili flavored spaghetti! LOL. Must be a Sconi thing. I have never seen that in MN.

          • FireMan
            FireMan commented
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            Betcha he has ties to Cincinnati. It is a Ohio thing.

          #9
          No beans in chili. Mostly meat, tallow, boat load of onions, seasonings. Smoke until satisfied.

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          • Spinaker
            Spinaker commented
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            Well, I am not in that situation. So my chili is always NO BEANS, more meat and then more meat, just to make sure.

          • DaveD
            DaveD commented
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            "Smoke until satisfied." Now those are words to live by

          • Huskee
            Huskee commented
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            To add context to why I prefer beans in mine, I LOVE black beans. Not sure why, but to me they spruce up nearly anything they're in. Therefore to me & mine they're great in chili. And you're right, a cheap way to add more girth to a chili, to tacos, burritos, enchiladas, etc, for those that enjoy them.

          #10
          I have no choice. Beans it is. If momma ain't happy, nobody's happy

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            #11
            Originally posted by DogFaced PonySoldier View Post
            .... get on their high horses​
            Now, now....our horses are not high! I mean, not usually..... the riders on the other hand......

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            • DogFaced PonySoldier
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              Ya'll ain't got the legal green leafy substance in TX. I can tell, because when I'm there, I never notice any billboards advertising it. Of course, I don't NOTICE not noticing it... but as soon as we cross the border into OK, I'm bombarded by these signs and I realize I WASN'T seeing them. It's really sad that OK is now so seemingly synonymous with it. You'd think, looking at the advertising, all anyone in OK does is smoke the devil weed and gamble at casinos. And NOTHING else.

            #12
            I used to detest cinnamon in savory dishes. The key is to use whole cinnamon sticks, not ground cinammon. I'm not sure why, but the flavor is subtler. I do remove them afterwards.

            Venison chili.......wish I knew how to hunt a deer.

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            • DogFaced PonySoldier
              DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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              I wish I had a PLACE to hunt deer... <sigh>.

            • Uncle Bob
              Uncle Bob commented
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              Agreed on the cinnamon stick...........works well in chile verde, pork and cinnamon is goodness.

            #13
            I don't think it is polarizing at all. Who says you can't improve upon originals? I like Texas Red, but mostly I put beans in mine. Rancho Gordo pinto's, midnight blacks, or any of the red beans work well. And from time to time some pineapple and ham shows up on my pizza. And ketchup on my hot dogs. I guess I am just a blasphemous heathen.

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            • Panhead John
              Panhead John commented
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              That you are!

            • 58limited
              58limited commented
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              +1 for ketchup on hotdogs. I'm not against beans in chili but my personal preference is to make beans separately. If you saw the pot of charro beans that I made with all of the leftover BBQ from the Meat Up you can understand why. Those beans were so good that I consider them a stand alone dish: I'll eat them with chili but not in chili.

            • DogFaced PonySoldier
              DogFaced PonySoldier commented
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              I do ketchup on a dog, too. That's just what I was raised on. Now that I'm an adult, I usually add mustard also. But, I rarely eat hot dogs anymore, they're just pretty boring. If I'm going to the trouble of cooking/grilling something like that, I'm probably aiming for a sausage of some kind.

            #14
            We like beans in our chili. My favorite beans in it are piquinto beans.

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            • klflowers
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              Yep. There is someting wrong with these anti bean people

            #15
            My Mom put beans in her chili, but she also used McCormick chili packets. She was an Italian gal from Brooklyn who needed to feed eight people on one paycheck, so I'm pretty sure "authenticity" was not one of her concerns.

            As for me, I'm more of an agnostic. I love beans and cook with them frequently, but my personal favorite chili recipe doesn't use them.

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