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    Cold smoked salmon? Not worth it.

    Just got off the phone with the wife of a friend of mine...
    Seems he’s doing better but not fully recovered. What?!
    This is the first I’ve heard of anything! What the heck is going on?!

    Seems Frank has spent the better part of the last two weeks in hospital getting pumped full of antibiotics. O_o
    Wait what?

    They thought he had the flu, but as it worsened they felt he needed to see a doctor. Said doctor checked him out but wasn’t convinced it was the flu...and suggested that they run some more tests...and stay in hospital for observation. He disagreed but SWMBO won out...so he stayed.

    Turned out he was much worse off than originally suspected. Much worse.
    He managed to damn near kill himself.

    Flash back a couple months ago...
    Frank went on a "once in a lifetime" fishing trip...and brought back bunches of salmon.
    He decided that he wanted to smoke some of it. Reasonable enough.
    But he decided that he wanted it "cold smoked" rather than hot smoked...which is how I first became involved. I suggested that he hot smoke it instead, after keeping it in a decent brine for a few hours.
    Nope, that would "alter the flavour" and he already found a recipe online that he wanted to try.

    Let the games begin!

    He took his now thawed salmon and proceeded to smoke it according to the directions he found.
    For the record, listeria is NOT killed by freezing...it’s reproduction is only slowed down.
    And so it went...he cold smoked it.

    Pam wasn’t keen on trying it, not being much of a fan in the first place and my having scared her years ago with my tales of food borne pathogens. LOL She declined to eat it, and the kids were also prevented from from having any. They’re not big on fish anyway so that wasn’t a hard sell. As for Frank...his attitude was, "Cool, more for me."

    At what point this all went pear shaped is hard to say.
    The bug could have arrived riding along inside the salmon...it could have occurred sometime in the cutting/processing...improper storage...or been due to cross contamination somewhere along the way.
    Regardless, it happened. And cold smoking didn’t stop the pathogen. And nearly killed him.
    I shudder to think what might have happened if one of his kids ate it...or if he served it to his or her parents.

    I seem to recall that Meathead is not an advocate of cold smoking, regardless...it is fraught with problems...any of which can ruin your day.
    Turns out he’ll be in the 80% that makes a full recovery. But even that’s a scary statistic...that means that 20% won’t.

    For the record, I’ll "cold smoke" cheese, but thats where that ends. And starting out with a properly processed hunk o’ cheese makes it relatively low risk. There’s just too many things that can go wrong cold smoking meats at home. Perhaps it’s because I do have a degree in culinary arts that I understand the risks...and have deemed it not worth the same.

    Anyway, he got lucky...and I’ve sent them a copy of Meathead’s book to learn from...seeing as my warnings fell on a couple of deaf ears. With that I hope to convince him to learn more AND to start cooking more than the occasional burger...or sketchy salmon recipe.


    My apologies for the incredibly long post. I was shocked and irritated and needed to get it off my chest.
    Last edited by surfdog; January 11, 2020, 12:38 PM. Reason: Added the last line/apology.

    #2
    Very good post.

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    • surfdog
      surfdog commented
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      Thanks. I was shocked and irritated and thought, "Dammit boy, WTH were you thinking?!"

      I’ve not spoken to him yet but I’m fairly certain he’s learned his lesson. Fortunately.

    #3
    Sorry to hear your friend went through that. Good to hear he'll be OK. And yeah, cold smoking isn't worth it... and hot smoked salmon is still very tasty.

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      #4
      I would say freezing does not kill ANY pathogens, but Listeria will multiply more at refrigerate temps than other pathogens.

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      • surfdog
        surfdog commented
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        Yes indeed...but trying to explain that to some people... sheesh
        I think ServSafe or something similar should be offered in high school. Even if one doesn’t go into food service, it’s still good information.

      • Jerod Broussard
        Jerod Broussard commented
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        surfdog My dad has NEVER shot competitive archery, I have (compound) and he insists that compounds are allowed in the Olympics. You are correct about Food Safety courses.

      #5
      Yeah that really sucks. I have never and never will cold smoke salmon but many times i have done the salt/sugar cure with plastic wrap and a brick.

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      • mach2speed
        mach2speed commented
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        oh man. sorry to hear that. Once the salmon been brined (minimum 18 hours for me), it's cured, cold smoking just adds flavor. Been doing this for years without issues. I'm wondering how he thawed the salmon and perhaps didn't brine long enough or brine didn't have enough salt.

      #6
      Thanx for posting even though I'd never cold smoke anything anyway...

      My wife's best friend's husband is the type to do that if he got his mind set on doin' it...

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      • surfdog
        surfdog commented
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        That’s Frank! He also figures that since he grills burgers once in a while and goes fishing a handful of times a year that he’s also an avid outdoorsman. SMH This has knocked him down a peg or three.

      #7
      Great post of very good information. Thanks surfdog .

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        #8
        Thanks for the PSA, surfdog

        Sometimes people have to learn the hard way. We all do it at one time or another. Thankfully this particular experience is not one I feel the need to "learn by doing" ----- your story is lesson enough!

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          #9
          So the gravlox I ate at a Christmas party not long ago was safe because it was cured?
          Last edited by Oak Smoke; January 11, 2020, 04:57 PM.

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          • surfdog
            surfdog commented
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            Most likely...
            It MAY have been cold smoked...but it also may have come from a professional purveyor of such products. One with the full knowledge of the technical issues and the equipment & resources to mitigate the potential problems.

          #10
          Glad he's okay. Thanks for sharing. I need to be reminded sometimes!

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            #11
            I go two words for ya - pasture ization

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              #12
              From someone who has also seen a close friend almost die from eating cold-smoked food done at home, a great post that I hope all here read and preach!
              The OmegaDog

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              • surfdog
                surfdog commented
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                Scary huh?! Two weeks getting pumped full o’ meds, no thanks!

              #13
              Wow. Thanks. Never have and now, never will.

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                #14
                Good real world warning. Maybe Meathead could link or copy this post to his warnings about cold smoking on the free side as a first (or second) hand experience.
                Last edited by 58limited; January 12, 2020, 12:29 PM.

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                  #15
                  Degrees of risk. What your friend did probably is a higher degree of risk than some of the things we do that still have some risk. Examples: medium rare burgers, runny eggs, etc. Personally I wouldn't cold smoke, but that doesn't mean that I am not rolling the dice with other things I do.

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