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I think Mad Scientist is a charlatan.
Don't anyone ask about how the Fat Stacks smokers guy, that Mad Scientist promoted, has ripped off a lot of people, maybe up to $500,000 worth, if not more.
What has Mad Scientist done to make him an authority ? I don't see anything, he's doesn't have a line of people every day lined up to eat his barbecue. He's not even attempted to win anything in comps. He doesn't operate a successful seasoning business ................... you tell me ?Comment
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scottranda IMO he's far from scientific, and multiple times he's run some very questionable experiments. He is entertaining, and does have some great tips/tricks but just like most of the e-celeb cooks he got to the point where he is in it for the clicks (fair enough, but dishonestly disclosed) -
I read the Reddit thread and some of the FB and IG stuff. It certainly appears that Fatstack defrauded a whole bunch of people. It’s hard for me to believe that Jeremy Yoder hasn’t taken down his videos that promote Fatstack….Last edited by Sid P; April 23, 2024, 09:01 PM. -
I don't know if charlatan is the right word, but I've met him, talked with him and was part of a BBQ team where he cooked. A bit full of himself and did not impress me as though he knew that much. Kind of got the feeling that he was capitalizing on the BBQ wave. FWIW.
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Ahhh.... interesting.
Jeremy is an educator and an experimenter. No, he's not into competition. Neither am I. I'm just a dude who had a hobby and now is trying new and different things. Well, new to ME at least. I've never innovated anything. I've adapted and adopted a few things, learned from others, implemented some concepts. I'm working on something new, making plans, trying to find my way.
Jeremy is ahead of me in that regard... he's taken what 's he's learned, through his own experimentation and the knowledge he's gained from others, and adapted some things, come up with some different concepts. Nothing is completely innovative, no, nothing is like learning how to split an atom with a hammer, or an electric field.
He's built a brand, he's building a business, he's extremely successful, lots of people have done this. "Standing on the shoulders of giants," so to speak. But if you can reach higher than the giants... well, you've utilized those giants as a tool. Does that make you a charlatan? I guess if the only stick by which you measure is the one that says you have to figure everything out on your own. But we've all learned from those who came before us... I've learned from Frank Netter, but also from Gene Colborn, Marios Loukas, Margit Trotz, Hans Berisch, Steve Glasser and many others. Does that mean I'm a charlatan if I pass that knowledge on to others? Do I need to hand out a bibliography to everyone I know? I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. I use different examples, different explanations, I expand on various concepts to pass along what I know. Does that mean I'm a fraud? That I'm just 'repackaging' the work of others?
I dunno, I guess maybe to some.
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I'll speak on the Fat Stack thing... Jeremy was a customer of theirs. They did build good pits, Jeremy bought from them and did speak on their behalf - he wasn't part of the company, and he didn't rip anybody off, personally. I don't believe he even knew anything about what was going on with the business, hell, NOBODY did until things started to spiral out of their control. I think they outgrew their own capacity and capabilities, and they overpromised and overextended themselves. That's not to offer excuses for them - whoever was running their business, definitely stepped on their own **** and from what I understand took a lot of money trying to keep things afloat, thinking eventually they could promise and produce their way out of a hole of their own making. It didn't work. I'm not privy to any inside information that indicates there was any malice there to try to 'clean up' and check out leaving anyone holding the bag - perhaps just incompetence. I don't know.
But I don't believe Jeremy had anything to do with any of that, other than believing in the company, their products and trying to help them grow their business. I don't know Jeremy personally. I know people who know him, and from what I understand, he seems to be a pretty good guy - but he's trying to make a living for himself and his family, too. I don't begrudge him that in any way. I believe he tried to reach out to help some folks recoup some of what they were owed, but I don't know that he was directly involved in the business in any way.Last edited by DogFaced PonySoldier; April 23, 2024, 07:44 PM.Comment
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He's in it for the clicks. For the Ad Sense revenue from Google. And he's cashing in, while he can because I don't think there's a big future in being a social media influencer.
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You've never shared anything with us in a manner that SEEMS to be paid for thought. He has and doesn't always disclose it transparently.
As to his cooker, good for him. I hope it's a great cooker and is a value purchase for many people. I just don't trust what he's become.
As to you, I hope you pass him
None of us are anything without the shoulders we stood on to get the view/platform we got, nothing wrong with that though. Not sure the spork gave credit to the spoon or the fork 
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As far as Fat Stack goes, you will believe what you want to believe.
IDK how you think he can be such a strong promoter and get out of it without getting hit from the debris.
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wow .......... be naive ........... I don't care.
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FWIW he started out with a pretty scientific approach and has some really great early content, but there is a very obvious point where the content goes from education/experimentation to questionable whether it's sponsor influenced or not. That's my only beef. Still watch his stuff from time to time, just don't give him a benefit of a doubt anymore.
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I don't know Jeremy's 'personal' relationship with the Fat Stack guy(s) - hell, he was a big fan and believer in their product, so he developed a personal friendship - ok, then the guy oversold and skipped out (or so I hear), don't know that Jeremy had anything to do with that, I don't know if he had any financial relationship with them, if someone has information or proof of that, well, I haven't seen/heard it.
Sure, he got splashed with some of the egg/shite from the situation, that's to be expected. I'm sure I would feel bad if I were in that situation. I know the social media shitestorm can get out of hand really quick, I've seen it and experienced it myself, when just trying to do a good job and trying to help people, and help myself at the same time.
Oh well. I don't really have a dog in the fight, like I said, I don't know him personally - though I do enjoy his content most of the time. I also love watching Bradley Robinson, Guga and lots of others - who have become extremely big self-promoters - you HAVE to in order to make a living. If you turn into a giant douche-nozzle, then I stop watching and move elsewhere.
All I know is, I've learned a lot from Jeremy, Bradley, Guga, Frank Cox, Mike Waters, Bob Moffett and lots of others I've followed for years. I'm glad I learned it, glad I've met and talked with some and it's been an enriching experience for me. folks gotta make a living - some do it cooking and selling the food (aka restaurants), some do it cooking and competing, some do it cooking and sharing their knowledge and experiences. There's a bunch of ways to do it.
I enjoy the entertainment, I try to be a discerning consumer and I try to look at lots of different methods. I like the variety.
Maybe I'm the DEI guy of BBQ.
And no, I am NOT and WILL NOT make excuses for the things that happened with Fat Stack, I'm truly sorry for all the people who lost money on the deal, and I hate to see that kind of thing happen to ANYONE. But I don't have any kind of inside track on any of that.Comment
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My only complaint about Yoder’s video is he does what he always does, cooks brisket on some offset then acts like he’s Aaron Franklin patting himself on the back. It’s the reason I quit watching him, it’s boring.
As to the video above, did he describe or say why his new offset is the “solution”? All I saw was it cost $2499 (admittedly a good price point) and it can cook four briskets. So I’m suppose to put in an order based on that?
I wish him luck but that business is flooded with competition. I know several pit makers, all say it’s a tough business to be profitable in. Maybe he’s on to something but I doubt it.
As to name calling and snarky remarks, why don’t we keep it at the opinion stage fellas? The moderators have enough refereeing to do.Comment
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Is there a way to block posters on here? Jeremy or no Jeremy, I don’t come here for angry, jealousy driven garbage.Comment
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He's not worried about getting the specifics out yet, the hype is building, he's got a big following and his video with the actual walkthrough is upcoming. Ant already 'kind of' did one, so people know the basics.Originally posted by Troutman View Post
Plus, they've already sold plenty. I think he said in the video Batch 1 is being delivered, and I know people are already lined up to send money for Batch 3. I can tell you, something was learned about the Fat Stack situation, and Batch 3 people are being told to hold off until things can be logistically sorted out. So while SOME early money may be changing hands, I believe the likelihood of a situation like that controversial one is pretty slim. I know when there's an order for 70,000 lbs of steel being placed at a time, production is ramping up. I've worked with a little of the product coming out of the production line for these pits (not The Solution itself, but something close) and the quality is very nice. It's gonna be a whole different project, but I've worked with some things coming off the same line - rolled steel pipe, laser cut fittings and parts, etc. It was a neat little project, and I'm hoping to get more involved and more facetime.
Oh, yeah, I didn't show ya'll my cameo in the newest YouTube thang... maybe I should post that up... lol. Stay tuned.Comment
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Good luck with your venture into pit making. As a former fabricator I know how satisfying creating something functional out of metal can be. I also have no issue with Jeremy, I just was commenting on this particular video, watching yet another brisket being cooked demonstrates nothing. I can do the same thing on a Jumbo Joe.
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Watched his YouTube video, and he cooked 4 briskets. First, cook, I think??Comment
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Whoa,,,do you guys know anything about why anyone would put their thoughts and opinions on YT ?
well they believe in what they’re doin, putting in a lot of time and effort and $$$
self promotion,,,well yea,,, all you sure have opinions and sure self promote ur selves with BS critiques
Start up a YT channel and see if anyone here gives 2 s#$*s about what you think,,
this is supposed to be a good place to be,,,
Questions are good, negative BS is not worth listening to,,,
we all can find people to disagree with,,,
just sayin,,,Last edited by Meathead; April 24, 2024, 05:35 PM.Comment
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Ladies and gentlemen, we're here to talk food, cooking, and cookers. We all have opinions, and it's okay for someone to have a different opinion than yours even if it's factually incorrect as you see it. But please, keep the backhanded insults and flames out of here. If you don't agree with someone, explain why politely, professionally, and amicably, otherwise if you can't then zip your lips and move on, it's that simple.Comment
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YOU EAT SWEET GRITS?!?!?! What is this world coming to? Cars that don't run on dead dinosaurs, fake meat, air fryers, and now this?!?!?! We are all doomed, doomed I say. -
texastweeter Yeah, my wife thinks I'm crazy (she was born in TN so identifies as a southerner). I grew up eating Cream Of Wheat, and any sane human puts a little sugar in them, and butter to amp it up. To me, grits always tasted like Cream Of Wheat (I know, it's corn not wheat) so my preference is to add some sugar, it's a "like childhood" thing. Not for everyone. My wife treats them like mashed taters, salt & butter, she says that's the proper way. I like my way, but it's only on my plate.
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Making BBQ videos on an ongoing basis on YouTube is not as easy as it looks. It's a significant investment of time and money, not to mention that you're putting yourself in a vulnerable position where you can be widely criticized for any little thing that someone disagrees with or for a mistake that you left in the video.
I don't begrudge Mad Scientist BBQ or anyone who makes videos on a regular basis for trying to recoup their costs and make money from their videos. You need a lot of eyeballs on your videos to even think of being able to make a decent living as a YouTuber. The real money actually isn't in getting views, it's in getting sponsorships or convincing viewers to buy a product that you're selling. The money that Google pays from ad revenue sharing is not significant unless you have a HUGE following.
I haven't been keeping up with Mad Scientist's recent videos but I have seen a lot of them and I'm usually able to take something positive or helpful from them even if it's just that I find them entertaining. I can't imagine that he's doing anything that is worthy of the vitriol in one poster's comments. Unless he's a business partner with direct involvement in bad practices, he shouldn't be held responsible for a company's missteps that may have taken place well after his videos were made.Comment
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I think Jeremy is a good cook. I think some of his experiments have been educational. I've picked up a tip or two. I am unaware of the controversy about Fat Stacks. My wife is a scientist and she dislikes the term "mad scientist" because she and her peers are serious, hard workers. "Mad Scientist" contributes to the anti-science crowd.
I have nothing against someone trying to make a living, but I am very committed to transparency and very careful about conflicts of interest. For the record as a point of comparison: We have no investment or interest in any company. As you know we make rubs and sauces. We do not sell them. They are all sold by the manufacturer. We have ads on the free site but they are all sold by a third party and we have no idea who buys nor do we care. We make a cool temp magnet. Amazon sells it for us. I wrote a book. Harper Collins sells it. We do not. We did some videos sponsored by Kingsford a decade ago. The small amount of blowback bothered me so much that we have never done any sponsored content again and we have never been paid to endorse a product. We review products but have never charged to review. If we like a product and link to it sometimes the manufacturer pays us a finder's fee. That never influences our review. We do not accept sponsored content. Some products we review are sent to us for free. We never sell them. The only thing we sell is Pitmaster Club memberships. I don't know how Jeremy runs his business, but ours is as clean as possible. Tell your friends, please.Last edited by Meathead; April 25, 2024, 08:50 AM.Comment
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