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    Question for owners of grill, smoker, AND Kamado

    Hello group. My name is Anton32828 and I have MCS.

    I currently have a Weber kettle, a Weber Smokey Mountain, and a generic propane grill (rarely used, mostly for hurricane season cooking if the power goes out). I've been browsing the Kamado posts and now I'm wondering if I "need" one.

    Question for Kamado fans: what does it do better than a grill or smoker? Are there reasons you use one over the other?

    Kamado cookers are a pretty serious investment. What made you open the wallet for one versus a different kind of cooker?

    Thanks in advance for your comments / advice!

    #2
    I don't own one, but one thing they can do better than a kettle or smoker is fall over and shatter into a million little pieces of ceramic... There are multiple stories of that on the AR forums, and as I tend to move my grills around the yard a good bit, a kamado is probably not for me, due to the risk of ruining that big investment. Several of our more active members here in The Pit have had that happen to them. I would die, and my wife would kill me if I broke a $1000 grill into pieces...

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    • Spinaker
      Spinaker commented
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      Respectfully, I don't remember reading many, if any, stories of them shattering into a million pieces on this forum. Firebowl or fire ring cracking? Maybe. It is very very rare when that happens, and it is almost always operator error. I roll all three of mine around my patio all the time. I even travel with my KJ Jr. quite often. (To the lake, farm, hunt cabin etc) Never had a problem. Just speaking from first hand experience.

    • Spinaker
      Spinaker commented
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      If you are careful and use common sense there is nothing to worry about. This idea that kamaods must always be tip-toed around and handled as some fragile piece of art work that are always on the verge of shattering into a million pieces is simply not accurate.

    • jfmorris
      jfmorris commented
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      Spinaker in the time I've been on the forum, I have read 2-3 stories of broken kamados, but as you say, its the exception rather than the rule. I tend to be "exceptional" in breaking things though - just ask my wife!

    #3
    I live in the north east. I cook in any weather w my Primo. It is impervious to the cold. It doesn’t cook differently once the ceramic is heat soaked. I cook 12 months a year. That is probably the biggest difference. Also once you get a feel for it you’ll be able to lock in a temp and keep it there for 6-8hrs. Sort of set it and forget it. Probably round kamados even longer...so I’ve heard. It’s VERY versatile - great pizzas, breads, and by far the hottest searing station I’ve seen. You can probably manage without one given the gear you’ve already got though...

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      #4
      Do you want a pickup, 4 door sedan or a convertible? They will all get you where you are going?
      You have 3 different grills and you use each of them differently. Your food comes out like you like it or one or all of them would be gone. Over the years I have probably had 10 different grills and I now have 3. I like what I do on each of them. I can cook the same thing on all three, just have to do it a little different on each one.
      I don't own an egg but when you use the word "need" I wonder if some grillers are like the people that stand in line for days just to be able to get the next new phone. The egg looks bright and shinny in the store and I am curious about the insulation they have. I have also observed the few oddities or problems egg owners have had over the years but they love their egg.
      Do you need one? Most likely NO. Do you want one? Only you can answer that question.

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      • Troutman
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        Well you know as a good Texan I'm gonna choose a pick-em-up truck everytime THT !!! (What I miss though are the gun racks, now those were the days !!!)

      • Thunder77
        Thunder77 commented
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        That's me. "oooohhhh' shiny new grill! " :-P

      • ClayJones
        ClayJones commented
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        I visited Texas for the first time last year and seriously expected to see almost nothing but pick-ups I was looking forward to it, really.

      #5
      Because of the low air flow needed in a Kamado they retain the moisture in your food. You will be amazed at how long a Kamado will go on one loading of charcoal, some have reported well over 24 hours. As @ JCBBQ said they are incredibly versatile. I have a Smobot on my KJ. I can monitor my food temp and pit temp or change the pit temp from 30 miles away. I was in a Lowes a few weeks ago, they had a Kamado joe classic with all the accessories for 749 dollars. There are several good Kamado brands on the market and many are very brand loyal. Yes you can break them, but I haven't in the almost three years I've had it. This from a guy who is not allowed anywhere near the wife's China and crystal. A year after getting my Kamado I gave my wsm to my son and my stick burner to my brother in law. They were both good cookers, but the kamado is just easier to use.
      Last edited by Oak Smoke; May 30, 2019, 08:23 AM.

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      • EdF
        EdF commented
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        I've had the "same" BGE since 2002. Never broke it. Moved it around a few times. But then there were the roofers who dropped a ladder on it and broke the top (glued it back together). And the paint flaw that led to a body replacement. The first was paid by their insurance; the second was covered by the warranty (and the old body and repaired top became the basis of a second egg I gifted to a friend).

      #6
      I kind of like Adrenaline Dave's new rig. It's kind of a hybrid between both the kettle/SNS world and that of a kamado. Real estate is a little smaller than I'd like but I'd give that a look see if you're seriously considering one.

      And don't worry, we have counseling and intervention sessions available for your particular addiction !!!

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      • Murdy
        Murdy commented
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        Yeah, but they don't work -- I'm talking about the interventions.

      • Thunder77
        Thunder77 commented
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        I would love to try out Dave's new rig.

      • AverageJoe
        AverageJoe commented
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        Thunder77 you and me both. I was the first comment on the review that was done on it for YouTube and made an additional comment on the review on here asking about adding it to the monthly giveaway. LOL fingers crossed for next month. That would be a great birthday present to replace my brinkman kamado and send the brinkman to the cabin for cooking there.

      #7
      Isn't one of the drawbacks to a ceramic cooker is that if you over shoot your target temp, it takes forever to come back down?

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      • Thunder77
        Thunder77 commented
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        Rod, yes that is partly true. There are a few methods you can use to drop temps fairly quickly, but it can be tricky.

      • Spinaker
        Spinaker commented
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        Nah, it does take longer to take it down, but it is not the end of the world.

      • EdF
        EdF commented
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        Yep, just some additional beer time usually.

      #8
      I had a kamado for a bit and ended up giving it to a friend because I, like you, already had a weber kettle, smoker and a gas grill. The ease and lack of worry of the weber kettle (being cheaper and less breakable) caused me to use that more often. A dedicated smoker works better than the kamado for smoking.

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        #9
        I have an Akorn, which is a kamado style similar to an Egg, but instead made of steel or some type of metal. I will say, although it is the cheap relative to those ceramic cookers, I've really enjoyed cooking on it. Plus, one time I dropped it trying to move it by myself and put a dent in the front. If I had the real mccoy, it would be out on my curb. Luckily a buddy, who is a lot more mechanically inclined than I am came over and took it apart, hammered out the dent, and put it back together. Almost as good as new. I've had the the thing for 5 years or so. I keep in my garage and have no issues with rust so far. I plan to keep her as long as she'll have me!

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        • Troutman
          Troutman commented
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          That brings up a good alternative to consider as well, the Weber Summit Charcoal Grill. If I were considering a kamado, I'd take one of those jewels over it any day.

        • Anton32828
          Anton32828 commented
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          I just looked at the Akorn online. It's hard to argue with that price as a "starter" kamado!

        • Ground Chuck
          Ground Chuck commented
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          It was definitely a starter for me, and it unfortunately got me hooked!

        #10
        The answer to the question "do I need one?" is very subjective. But I always have gone by the formula.
        How many grills does a pitmaster need? N+1. With N being the number of grills you already have.

        Seriously, though, I agree with JCBBQ . Kamados provide excellent temperature control in all weathers. Once you learn your kamado, it's pretty much set and forget. I have an Akorn, and I have done many overnight pork butts while I was sleeping.

        Where the kamado really shines for me is baking. I love to make bread, pizza, and all kinds of baked goodies. In the warmer months, I bake outside in the kamado to keep from heating up my house. I rarely baked in the summer months before owning a kamado, so that alone was worth the price of the Akorn to me. I love to make pizza as well, and most indoor ovens don't really get hot enough for making pizza. Those temperatures are easily achievable in a kamado.

        I also use it a lot for chicken, and spatchcocked turkey. My turkey is regularly requested for family gatherings, and always gets rave reviews.

        In the end, it depends on what you want to do with the grill. You could always do as I did, and find an Akorn on sale, and make a smaller investment. That way you can see if you like kamado cooking, and not break the bank. I decided I really like kamados, so I bought a Primo Junior recently.

        I hope that helps.

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        • Anton32828
          Anton32828 commented
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          Very interesting re: Akorn. I like the price. Does it have one of those heat diffuser plates that Meathead says is necessary in his article?

        • Ground Chuck
          Ground Chuck commented
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          They have a ceramic diffuser you can get as an add-on. I've never pulled the trigger on the actual diffuser. I alternate between a $2 Wal-Mart pizza pan, and Lodge Cast Iron pizza pan.

        • Thunder77
          Thunder77 commented
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          That is my small beef with Akorn. I think it should be included. I bought one from OnlyFire on amazon. I was fortunate. I got my Akorn on a Wal-mart clearance.

        #11
        I own a large BGE, and what motivated me to buy one was the fact that I owned an original crockery Kamado from Japan. It made the best chicken, but because it was crockery I could only cook at low temperatures. It finally wore out. After five years of debating I pulled the trigger. I believe it can match any cooker in doing low and slow though roasting, but it’s more challenging when it comes to high temperature grilling and is not as convenient as a SlowNSear when doing a reverse sear. It can hold temps more steady than you kitchen oven. With my controller it will fluctuate fewer than 10 degrees either side of the target temp hold steady through most of the cook. Even without a controller it is set it and forget it for a low and slow overnight cook. It really shines in overnight cooks in extreme cold temperatures and in low fuel consumption. I once cooked 40# of Boston Butt for 22 hours on one load of charcoal. I am not sure there is another cooker that can match that with one small load of charcoal. While I know some folks have broken theirs, I have not broken my original Kamado which I had for 30 years and my BGE which I have owned for almost 10 years.

        Do you need one, probably not if you can do everything you want on your current cookers. But, If you have a bad case of MCS and it fills some gaps in versatility and convenience then the answer is probably yes. My theory on MCS is that we just want the experience of cooking on a different cooker.

        Have fun deciding.
        Last edited by LA Pork Butt; May 30, 2019, 09:27 AM.

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        • Thunder77
          Thunder77 commented
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          Sgreed. It's that shiny new cooker thing! :-P

        #12
        I shy away from telling anyone what smoker makes the "best food" because it is all way too subjective. In my PERSONAL opinion, nothing makes BBQ better than a stick burner, burning real logs. That being said, I use my kamados more than any of my other rigs on my patio. And the reason is, simple......they take very little tending. I can smoke for 24+ hours straight on a single load of lump and very little interference. You can get controllers for them that will allow them to run rock solid for hours and hours. With a little bit more tending, you can do this manually as well. In my personal experience, nothing runs smoother than my kamaods. Not my PBCs (which I still use and love!) or my kettles when I had them. I can cook anything from brisket to fish to pizza to bread,

        The other thing is they will last you forever. They never rust out and all the top brands are guaranteed for life. There is a risk of them cracking, no doubt, but I have never come close to having a problem there. Many are still covered in the event of something like that.

        I currently own three kamaods, but I only use two of them regularly. I love them both and I plan to own them for the rest of my life. I got rid of my Kettles as I like running the thick ceramic much more than the thin metal kettle.

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        • hogdog6
          hogdog6 commented
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          Spinaker Perfectly said. I could not agree more. I too think the best bbq I cook is from my stick burner, also use and love cooking on my PBC. But hands down I use my KJ more than them all, it's just stable, easy, set and forget, great for overnight cooks! I'm confident you won't regret a Kamado if you choose to purchase one.

        • Spinaker
          Spinaker commented
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          Every time. Just take the meat off the kamado when you are done going low and slow, open the vents, wait 5-10 mins and the lump is ripping hot. Then sear. I only had the SNS for about 6 months, then I gave it to a friend. ClayJones

        • Jon Liebers
          Jon Liebers commented
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          100% agree.I have a Napoleon prestige 500 gasser,a Weber performer Deluxe with SNS and a BIG GREEN EGG. I use a BBQ guru with the BGE so I can dial in temp and set it and just about forget it. Of the three by far the best smoker is the Kamado.Having said that , my personal MCS has me wondering what a LSG stick burner would be likeand slow BBQ.
          Last edited by Jon Liebers; June 19, 2019, 07:49 AM.

        #13
        My Kamado is my best cooker.

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          • JCBBQ
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            Yeah, Surly Viking I agree with Attjack I don't need to clean out the ash very often on my Primo either. Very insignificant, doesn't really register as an issue with me. Years ago, I, with absolutely no knowledge about cookers, pulled the trigger on the Primo based on Meathead 's review. So glad I did. The two zone cooking ability is exceptional on the Primo. And again, the searing - easily over 1000 degrees if needed - is tough to beat.

          • Spinaker
            Spinaker commented
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            Hahahah, Preach brother!

          • Thunder77
            Thunder77 commented
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            Primo for the win!! 👍 awesome looking food, brother! I love my Primo Junior.

          #15
          I don't own a kamado and won't any time soon. That's not a knock on kamados. I simply let MCS get the better of me and ended up moving my Weber 22 Performer to my parents' place 'Up North' in order to free up space on my patio for a COS. I agree with Spinaker cooking with wood produces a flavor that simply cannot be matched by a different source of fuel.

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          • Razor
            Razor commented
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            Brain fart, COS?

          • JeffJ
            JeffJ commented
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            @Razor
            It's an Oklahoma Joe Highland. I've done 3 cooks on it so far (doing another one tomorrow night) and everything came out really well.

          • surfdog
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            Razor COS = Cheap Offset Smoker

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