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Charcoal-starting phenomenon; anyone else experience this? (positive result)

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    Charcoal-starting phenomenon; anyone else experience this? (positive result)

    When I did my baby backs yesterday, I already had about a 20% load of lump left over from my last cook. I usually burn that off, as a way to clean the grates, but this time I didn’t.

    For the new cook, I dumped out the leftover lump into a bucket, put wood chunks at the bottom, added 80% new lump, and then topped with the old charcoal. I then lit it using a torch. I’m used to my BGE smoking quite a bit, belching gray and white smoke as it comes up to temperature and the walls heat-soak. After as much as 45 minutes, the smoke dissipates, the wood chunks have started burning, and I get the nice thin blue stuff we all look for.

    Instead, I got no smoke at all. NONE. The old lump lit up, the dome temp rose quickly, and the BGE stabilized in about 15 minutes. To say I was surprised is an understatement; I couldn’t believe it. But, I rolled with it. It was a good cook. The ribs came out really good.

    My hypothesis is that the old charcoal had already dried out and given up its noxious compounds, and there was little energy expended combusting those; and in turn, the heat generated by the old lump burning dried out the new lump and helped it burn hotter and more completely/efficiently, so the smoke was more like that of an offset fire; it all came from the wood chunks, burning at a higher temperature, and not from the lump itself.

    Adding to that analysis is that I used a double deflector, which, by creating more isolation, forces a hotter fire to create the same dome temperature, and I set the cooking grate 2” above the gasket line, higher in the dome, again forcing a hotter fire to produce the 260° grate level temp (because the grate was farther from the fire).

    This all fits with Meathead’s What You Need to Know About Wood, Smoke, and Combustion; it’s being experimented with by the YouTube personality Smoking Dad, who isn’t just winging it but is doing some serious thinking and experimenting. BBQ from oxygen regulated fires doesn’t taste like BBQ from fuel regulated fires. But does it have to be that way? My ribs yesterday didn’t taste like offset ribs… but they didn’t taste like kamado ribs, either. There are still some things I want to work with. I put wood chips under the charcoal basket; embers are supposed to fall from above and ignite those, adding to the smoke that gets pulled through the lump. My chips didn’t ignite. Next time I think I’ll just fire the torch in there.

    This might work. It is certainly different. Yesterday’s cook was a quick “I want ribs today” cook, not an experiment cook. But the next one I’m going to bring some more ideas along.

    #2
    My first thought was "Is it repeatable?" Sounds like yur gonna find out.

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      Mosca I reuse my left over lump regularly. Much like you I put it in a bucket then add new lump to the charcoal basket before putting the used lump on top of the new. In the old threads on how to build a fire in a kamado they convinced me the small pieces needed to go on top. I haven’t tried putting the smoking chunks under the charcoal basket. Mine usually go on top of the charcoal pile spaced so that they catch as the fire spreads. Several years ago we experimented with a thing we called a smoke pot. It’s a small CI Dutch oven with a few small holes drilled in the bottom. Your put wood chips, pellets, or wood chunks in it and set it on top of your fire. As the wood heats the smoke is forced out through the holes in the bottom and into the fire. After the smoke went through the fire it came out blue smoke and imparted an offset smoker like flavor to the meat. The other benefit was that the pot acted like a retort so that what ever you put in it came out as charcoal that you could throw on your next fire. I still have mine but haven’t used it in quite a while.

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      • Mosca
        Mosca commented
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        The smoke pot takes up too much room in a LBGE; Ceramic Chef was working with a 32" Komodo Kamado, IIRC. I tried using sealed disposable bread pans, and then decided to just bury the chunks.

      • Smoker_Boy
        Smoker_Boy commented
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        Oak Smoke - That is really interesting!!

      • LA Pork Butt
        LA Pork Butt commented
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        Mosca I couldn’t tell any difference with or without the smoke pot, but now I bury
        my wood based on the smoke pot theory.
        Last edited by LA Pork Butt; May 7, 2025, 08:18 AM.

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      Mosca I did the double diffuser method on St. Louis ribs the other day. I cooked them a 300 grate temp, and they finished inside of 3 hours. Now I don’t see any reason to cook them at 225 for 6 hours. My next cook will be at 325 grate level with the double diffuser method.

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        Mosca I regularly reuse lump and I always bury my wood chunks - usually 2 or 3 nice sized ones - before adding more lump. What I have NOT done is remove the old lump and put it on top of the new lump. If there is ash buildup below the cast iron grate, I'll remove the useable lump into a bucket, brush all the ashes down into the bottom, and shovel out into a trash bag with my charcoal scoop. Then put the grate back and usually the wood chunks and old lump.

        I'll flip it around and use the old lump on top next time I do that, or at least shove it all into the middle and pour new lump from the bag around it. I feel the key is your theory about it being more dried out than the fresh lump. That just makes sense to me.

        As far as your other discussion - the hotter fire being cleaner - that is the entire theory behind the SNS Kamado when it uses the SNS insert, which I don't do as often as I use it in pure kamado mode. Their theory is that the fire being up at that level has to burn hotter, and have more airflow, giving you different results than a traditional kamado. And I can attest to it. I just don't do it if I want to smoke for more than 7-8 hours, as I am lazy and don't want to refuel during cooks...

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          Very interesting thread. One thing I can contribute is that in my experience as well, unburned charcoal from previous cooks does produce very little smoke compared to that of virgin charcoal, and this is especially true of briquettes. Briqs of course can be a PITA in terms of salvaging partially burned ones, but I often do depending on what’s left, just can’t abide wasting usable charcoal. The amount of smoke that a chimney of most brands of fresh briquettes produces is ridiculous, although B&B is better than most. Weber was the best but of course is no longer available. My house is in a development but backs up to woods, which causes concern that the neighbors will think I’ve created a wildfire and call the fire department, the smoke is that bad. Having discovered that leftover charcoal produces almost no smoke I make a point to collect it after each cook, keeping briquettes and lump in separate containers. If a subsequent cook requires a chimney I use the leftover stuff for that, or maybe a mix of leftover and fresh. Works fine and smoke problem solved.

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            #7
            Intreresting theories that sound logical. Other variables: Humidity. And Your palate. I have been a judge at a wine tasting where there are often 2 identical glasses from the same bottle out of 7 samples. Usually I score them similarly, but occasionally I score them very differntly. I had a pretty good palate and had won wine guessing contests...

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              Originally posted by Meathead View Post
              Intreresting theories that sound logical. Other variables: Humidity. And Your palate. I have been a judge at a wine tasting where there are often 2 identical glasses from the same bottle out of 7 samples. Usually I score them similarly, but occasionally I score them very differntly. I had a pretty good palate and had won wine guessing contests...
              It was high 60°s with light rain, all day that day. I had the rain cap on the damper.

              The palate thing, that’s nuts innit. Another example of a palate masking your senses is when you spend all day cooking, and then the food isn’t appealing because you were smelling and cooking it all day… but the next day, even taking into account the leftovers effect, it’s delicious!

              In this case, the smoke profile is something that I’ve been trying to pay very close attention to. Your article on smoke is essential for home cooks. The flavor is different. It isn’t bad vs good;​ it’s good vs better. And even that is a value judgement. Some people prefer Velveeta over aged cheddar, after all. (And some of us see the value in each, but that’s a different subject.)

              Smoking Dad’s experiments that involve traveling to Texas and directly comparing bbq from his kamado to that from the rigs at Bar A BBQ are worth trying to replicate, I think. On that particular day, I didn’t have time to implement the initial cold smoke. But it seems that is an important step. Of course it is more complicated than firing up the BGE and planting a brisket on the grate, and checking back in 10 hours… but it’s a heck of a lot less complicated than minding an offset all day!

              I’m going to take another rack of ribs out and plan a day where I can give this method a real backyard test. Meaning taking into account my yard, my deck, my BGE, my charcoal and wood chunks, my own limitations on ability (and ability to interpret directions), etc. IMO for a method to be successful, it not only has to be repeatable, but it also has to be communicable, and be able to withstand a reasonably wide range of variables. Or more accurately said, if a jamoke like me can do it, anyone can.

              Gotta wait a week or so, though. We got Mrs Mosca’s birthday and Mother’s Day coming up. Maybe the holiday weekend.

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              • LA Pork Butt
                LA Pork Butt commented
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                The cold smoking idea has me thinking. What if I put the ribs on at 175, bumped it to 200 in 45 minutes, then bumped it 25 degrees every 30
                minutes until I reached 325 grill or some similar progression? My controller has WiFi, so It would be easy to do no matter where I might be.

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