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    After action report, one day brisket class

    First things first: these classes are OUTSTANDING. If you live close enough to South Central PA (Gettysburg area), I would strongly encourage you to attend the class of your liking (same day brisket, overnight brisket, whole hog, ribs & chicken, tailgate turkey, and mini-classes of pizza and sausage making). They’re $300 each [edit: pizza and sausage are less, maybe $35, but are less hands on], but you get about $150 worth of hardware and product to take home, about $50 worth of food and drink in two meals, and far more that $100 worth of knowledge, entertainment and networking. And if you’re a bit farther away, you might want to make it a weekend trip with a tour of the Gettysburg battlefield, which is something every American should see; it is a jewel in the crown of the National Parks Department. And Gettysburg itself is pretty damn cool; it’s tourist-aware, but not kitschy by any means.

    I didn’t bring my camera, and I wanted to concentrate on the information rather than the experience; I did the photo essay for the chicken and ribs class last year, and this one would look exactly like that one, with minor differences.

    The gist of the method is:

    1) Cut out almost all of the deckle, and only trim the fat on the top where it needs to be trimmed to make the whole packer as even as possible from end to end.
    2) Inject the brisket with A FULL QUART OF BEEF JUS, with about half a cup of whatever rub you were using mixed in.
    3) Smoker set to 350°. Anywhere from 325° to 375° is fine, though.
    4) At meat temp 155°-165°, pull the brisket, and either wrap it in foil or put it in a hotel pan covered with foil, with about a half a cup of beef jus. Then back in the smoker until it is probe tender, typically right where it usually is, 200°-210°.

    There are nuances and tweaks, and little things, but that’s the basics.

    Briskets went on the heat at 9:30AM, and got wrapped around noon. Some briskets were probe tender around 2:30PM, one (mine) went to almost 4PM (more on that later). When our briskets were done, we separated points from flats, rested the flats while we made burnt ends from the points, then sliced up the flats.

    Eh.

    I didn’t walk around and ask everyone what they thought, but I asked half a dozen people, and I got mostly, “It’s okay.” For myself, my point was at 210° and probing like butter while my flat was stubbornly in the low 190s; we finally separated the two, and I wrapped the flat and put it back in the smoker while I made the burnt ends; even when we pulled it, it was marginally “ready”. It probed better than it had 45 minutes earlier, but not as good as I would have liked.

    I had a 3 hour drive home, so I took that as an opportunity to give the flat a 3 hour rest in the RTIC cooler (along with the burnt ends). When I got home, I sliced it up, and bagged the burnt ends.


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    The flat is… eh. The bark is mushy; the meat isn’t dry, but it’s a bit crumbly. The far right just shredded as I sliced it. The taste is… pot-roasty. It’s okay, but it isn’t outstanding. Eric (owner of Mason Dixon BBQ and class instructor) says that can be restored to tenderness by reheating in the jus. He’s probably right.


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    The burnt ends are pretty good. I think they’re a little overcooked; they should be a little more pillowy. But they’re pretty good. They’re sweeter than I would make them, but I was following orders. The sweetness doesn’t factor into my assessment. These are “within spec”. Not right in the middle of spec, but in the range.

    All in all this yielded 4 lbs of sliced brisket, 1 lb of shredded brisket (I’ll probably make beans with it), and 2.5 lbs of burnt ends, which I’ll probably serve next weekend at our cookout.

    I’m only partially a believer. I can see where this would work, but the margin for error is much smaller than it is for a longer cook, and it’s not foolproof to the extent where you can take two dozen people who have never tried it and get two dozen perfect results. Again, I didn’t canvass the class, but there were an awful lot of people figuratively shrugging their shoulders. No high fives.

    My guess is that I could figure it out here at home by maybe the third cook or so, this counting as the first. I’d be okay on the first one at home, and happy with the second one. It might take one more? Idk. But for me, brisket is so infrequent, and is such an investment in money, time, and reputation, that I’ll stick with what I know: overnight, low and slow. To get this right will cost two briskets, half a reputation point, and 10-12 hours… or I could just make a brisket like normal and it would only cost one brisket, it would gain a reputation point, and take 10-12 hours.

    Loved the class, though. I’ll sign up for more of them.
    Last edited by Mosca; June 30, 2024, 12:09 PM.

    #2
    I don’t do brisket much either. But my son talked me into doing one a couple months ago. “Just run your smoker hotter. It will be easy.” I posted on it at the time. I put it on the Recteq at 5:30 AM, 285 degrees, off at about 3:30PM, two hour rest. It was just OK. Nothing particularly wrong with it. Just nothing great about it either. So I guess I’m in agreement with you on this. 🤷‍♂️

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    • BFlynn
      BFlynn commented
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      I've only used a RecTec twice - but the brisket I did was done in about 9 hrs bc I separated the point and flat. Set it to run 265
      It has the "extra smoke mode" or whatever. I think they helped.

      Turned the point into burnt ends.

      I was happy with the results. - especially cooking on someone else's equipment.

    #3
    If what you're doing works, don't change it.

    But this is interesting to read.

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      #4
      350 is nice to get things done, I just refuse to wrap based on internal temperatures, and mushy bark just means I never had any to begin with.

      I grew up on pot roasted meat, gotta have some gravy for the rice.

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        #5
        A lot lower than I thought at 350. I wonder if 500 for 2 hours then low & slow at 250 until probe tender would strike that balance.

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          #6
          Do you think the bark was mushy due to wrapping in foil? I prefer the foil boat method or wrapping in butcher paper. I think both methods preserve the bark well.

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            #7
            Oh jeez, I forgot the most important thing. Don’t get old.

            WE INJECTED THE LIVING HECK OUT OF IT. Like, a full quart of au jus mixed with the rub that we were using.

            I’ll edit the original post to reflect that.

            Also, I took a slice and heated it up in a little jus, and it is delicious. It’s not Texas brisket, but it’s really, really good.

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            • Uncle Bob
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              "It’s not Texas brisket, but it’s really, really good."
              I often have thoughts like this when someone (most often on FB) goes on about how good whatever they cooked was. Good compared to what? If they're happy, then that's fine.........for them. It's all about expectations. I can imagine someone having Texas style brisket and comparing it to the one their Jewish grandmother made and thinking how disappointing the Texas BBQ is.

            #8
            Goad you enjoyed the class. Not sure if I want to attempt hot and fast. I like how my brisket comes out low and slow. Since cooking in the Yoder I don't have to worry about tending the fire. Great to learn new things though and experiment a bit.

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              #9
              Tom, thanks for the extensive write up. I’ve been exploring hot and fast and one theme seems to be that it is important to wrap and hold for 1-4 hours, the longer the better. I know that seems to hold true for butts done at 225. Chris’s Groves has a formula for hot and fast done at 300 but takes 5-6 hours before the hold. For me it produced my best brisket ever. Because it is so difficult to find a small brisket to fit my large BGE I have decided to always separate the point from the flat and cook them on two levels. They tend to cook faster that way, and o will have consistent notes to learn from.

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                #10
                Tom, what type of smoker was used and what type of wood? Charcoal smoker with wood chunks or straight wood smoker?

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                • Mosca
                  Mosca commented
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                  There was a wide range of smokers: 3 XLBGE, 2 LBGE, maybe 5 GMG pellet cookers, a 22” Weber Smokey Mountain, a Weber Summit, a couple Meadow Creek cabinet smokers, a Backwoods, a couple Old Country offsets, a Meadow Creek pig roaster…. Everything was fired with either lump, charcoal, or lump and charcoal mixed, all with wood chunks mixed in. Except the pellet cookers all used pellets and smoke tubes. The offsets could have burned sticks, but charcoal was better for the class.
                  Last edited by Mosca; June 30, 2024, 12:19 PM.

                #11
                I'm kinda with you on this.....injecting and braising just seem to take BBQ into pot roast territory uncomfortably quickly.

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                  #12
                  And somebody snapped my pitcher and posted it on the innernet!

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                  • STEbbq
                    STEbbq commented
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                    “OMG, that is what I have to work with?”

                  • Mosca
                    Mosca commented
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                    That’s what the guy in the apron was thinking: “OMG, is this who I have to work with?”

                  #13
                  I live very near Philly and have been to Gettysburg a number of times. I didn't know about these classes and would like to take one though your report on the brisket doesn't sound that appealing to me. I see that all classes are full for the rest of the year. Too bad because smoking a turkey would be interesting to me. I guess I will try for next year when classes open.

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                  • Mosca
                    Mosca commented
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                    The classes themselves are really great; even though the cook itself fell short for me, the experience was worth it. In my hierarchy of bbq value:

                    1) knowledge
                    2) product
                    3) hardware

                    You should call their number (833-658-0797 or 717-643-0039) and get on the waiting list for that one. I was shut out, but there was a cancellation and I found out on Wednesday that I was going.
                    Last edited by Mosca; June 30, 2024, 06:37 PM.

                  #14
                  Great write up! Sounds like a fun learning experience. The way a crow flies, those guys are not far from me.

                  Because of the injected liquid and high heat it seems to me that the meat was more braised than rendered. Could this be the discrepancy between the fast cook and slow cook that you are describing in the final product?

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                  • Mosca
                    Mosca commented
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                    That’s exactly it. And I asked that question during class and it was confirmed. And at the end of class, I asked, “If at the end, there will be more liquid in the wrap than there was at the beginning, why add liquid at all?” And the answer was to braise it better. So, yeah!

                    It’s still pretty good, it’s just not the same.

                  #15
                  Damn...I was stuck in Emmitsburg in June...this would've been a nice distraction. Echo your comments on Gettysburg. For a history nut, it's very enlightening and humbling...

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                  • Mosca
                    Mosca commented
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                    Emmitsburg? Did you eat at Chubby’s? Tom is an old friend. He can be cantankerous though.

                    We were in Gettysburg yesterday, the 6th, and toured the battlefield again. It’s the same every time, it doesn’t lose its power. There’s another class tomorrow, I’m doing the ribs and chicken again because last time I spent too much energy on photos and not enough on cooking.

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