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    Electricians.......generator issue

    Some time ago I tried running my Grid Iron off my generator (5000w - 4000w). I tried multiple times and it killed the generator everytime at start-up.

    It has 30amp and 20amp circuits, all 120V.

    I'm certain I had it on the 30amp when I tried.

    The generator ran the refrigerator just fine, amongst other things.

    Not sure what to check first. I plan to test again this weekend.


    #2
    30 amps @ 120VAC equals 3,600 watts.

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    • Jerod Broussard
      Jerod Broussard commented
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      OK, allegedly these pellet poopers pull about 200-300 watts at start-up. Hence my confusion.

    #3
    Hey Jerod, when you say “it killed the generator”, what exactly happened? Tripped breaker? Worse?

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    • Jerod Broussard
      Jerod Broussard commented
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      It died. Restart, died again. Died as in no longer running.

    #4
    A little more detail please. Will the motor part of the generator run? If the motor runs then are we talking no output from the generator? Is the motor a 2 or 4 cycle? Have you checked the fuel system and filters? Have you checked your air filter? Have you checked your oil level if a 4 cycle? Help us help you.

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      #5
      May be an issue with old gasoline and something gumed up. Easy for a fuel line or carb jets to gum. Try some spray carb cleaner, drain the bulb and or carb and get some fresh gas. Big fan of gas stabilizer for small gas engines.

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        #6
        Donw and captainlee

        Brand new generator, clean gas (I use gas stabilizer in all my gas), 4 cycle. It died trying to run the pellet pooper, so I just used the generator the rest of the night for the fridge and fans. That thing literally ran 10-12 more hours after the pellet failure. I was hoping once the pellet got going drawing its 75 or so watts, I could plug up the fridge and fans.

        It runs great to use with anything, except the stinkin' pellet pooper.

        Nothing else was running off of it when I hooked up the pellet.

        And it died fast, as soon I heard the fan at start-up.

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        #7
        Okay. It sounds like the smoker itself is pulling too many amps on startup. What does it do to a circuit breaker when you start it up plugged into a wall socket.

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        • ItsAllGoneToTheDogs
          ItsAllGoneToTheDogs commented
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          Jerod Broussard when I've had to run my MAK on the gene, I don't use an extension cord. Actually many pellet cookers have warmings about extension cords (what size/what length)

        • Jerod Broussard
          Jerod Broussard commented
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          ItsAllGoneToTheDogs I've had the pellet since 2018 (I think) and never been able to plug directly into a socket.

        • ItsAllGoneToTheDogs
          ItsAllGoneToTheDogs commented
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          Jerod Broussard I'm assuming you mean extension cord to outlet without issue, but it makes a difference with generators especially that initial startup for pellet grills. After the ignition I think they could ALMOST run on a solar calculator but that startup is like a hair dryer or space heater, add an extension cord to that and well no bueno if it's the wrong size. I'm no expert, just have mad respect for electricity especially with power tools and such especially when it comes to e-cords

        #8
        Let us know how the experimenting goes. A pellet grill pulls a surprising low amount of current. At startup, most pull less than 2 to 2.5 amps. Using a kill a watt tonight just to test for this thread, my rec tec pulled 1.0 amp at startup, and less than 2.3 amps under full igniter burn, then settled in to less that 0.8 amps cursing along. Generator tripping issues are usually caused by grounding issues. So maybe a bad cord or watt not. See what I did there... Ha.

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        • Jerod Broussard
          Jerod Broussard commented
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          Haha WATT a pun that was!!

        #9
        Since the grill works fine on a wall socket, and the generator also works fine when using a welder (I’m assuming without an extension cord) then let’s look at the extension cord.
        1. Check the rating chart below to see if it your cable can handled the load.
        2. Substitute the cord with a higher rated one.
        3. Check that your existing cord isn’t damaged or crushed, and also that the plugs are not loose, damaged, and if all screws are tight.
        4. Check that the ground wire is connected
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        • lonnie mac
          lonnie mac commented
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          Yup. Probably a ground issue of some sort. You could try plugging it directly into the generator. You don't have a gauge issue I'm pretty positive. Heck the actual cord to your pellet grill, (or most are anyway) is 18 AWG. The whole system is probably protected by a 5 amp fuse. You could run this thing on a cheap green Christmas tree cord actually.

          Good chart! Donw

        • FCDank
          FCDank commented
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          Have you tested the cord that the smoker was connected to? I recently got a bad 50' 10ga from a big orange store. After testing resistance the ground was not connected. Damaged wire somewhere in all that plastic. Orange did let me exchange...
          Do you have a multimeter? Test continuity from male to female ends.

        • Jerod Broussard
          Jerod Broussard commented
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          FCDank the chord ran a refrigerator and a fan for 10-12 hours with zero issues.

        #10
        I wish I belonged on this thread.

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          #11
          I'm gonna haul the generator and plug directly into it, and then go through various chords.

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            #12
            Do you have anything you can hook the generator to that pulls as much power as the smoker? All our pipeline x ray trucks had generators on them. It almost sounds like a bad plugin with high resistance. I’ve had so many of those that you could grab and feel the heat. They would have blackened prongs when you pulled them apart. It could be the plug on the grill. If that grill shouldn’t pull enough wattage to cause problems then I believe you will find high resistance somewhere. Good luck.

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            • Jerod Broussard
              Jerod Broussard commented
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              The generator ran a refrigerator and a fan with the same chord. No go on the pellet.

            • texastweeter
              texastweeter commented
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              But did it idle up under load?

            • Jerod Broussard
              Jerod Broussard commented
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              texastweeter yes, it responded to the refrigerator

            #13
            Originally posted by Smoker_Boy View Post
            30 amps @ 120VAC equals 3,600 watts.
            OK, allegedly these pellet poopers pull about 200-300 watts at start-up. Hence my confusion.
            Jerod Broussard - Sorry for the dumb-ass reply. I totally mis-understood your problem.

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              #14
              Please let us know the results when you power the pellet directly from the generator without extension cord. If it doesn’t work we need to move onto the stove’s cord and also look at what’s happening inside the pellet stove. New generators might have a different style circuit breaker than what your house does and that is detecting something causing the generator to shut down. Heck, I just tracked down an issue that was tripping an entire circuit because some small 1/16” ants were using the wiring as a path.

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              • Jerod Broussard
                Jerod Broussard commented
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                Will do. I'll go through all the chords. None of the chords have ever given me any issues. I use them for welding, 125 to 140 amp welders.

              #15
              If I were a betting man, I would guess that the igniter is tripping the instantaneous limit on the circuit breaker whereas a normal circuit breaker has a different trip curve. The igniter has a positive temperature coefficient, and the current draw when cold is going to be pretty high, even if only for a few milliseconds.

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              • captainlee
                captainlee commented
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                Did you try to put a load on the generator first then turn your smoker on. The surge may be smoothed out if the generator is already powering something.

              • Jerod Broussard
                Jerod Broussard commented
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                captainlee no, it died so quick with nothing else running on it I moved on.

              • captainlee
                captainlee commented
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                Give it a try let us know. I'm interested as to whether my gen can run the Yoder without that issue. I won't be able to give that a try for a while. Thanks

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