This area is under a 4 seasons cover. The roof is around 9 1/2 feet from the ground. I fear the traditional patio heaters might put too much heat on the ceiling. These units all seem to be 86 in. +/- tall. Looking for alternatives, propane fired. Though someone here may have faced this issue?
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I recently added a fireplace to my outdoor patio. My goal was to create a warm environment to have a cigar in the evening, during cold months. I live in Northern Cal. so not freezing, temps, normally in 40s in winter evenings. Unfortunately, despite spending a great deal of money on this, the amount of heat generated isn’t enough, so I’m faced with adding an additional heater of some type.
This area is under a 4 seasons cover. The roof is around 9 1/2 feet from the ground. I fear the traditional patio heaters might put too much heat on the ceiling. These units all seem to be 86 in. +/- tall. Looking for alternatives, propane fired. Though someone here may have faced this issue?Tags: None
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SierraBBQGuy What is interesting is that the 4seasons web page, if I am looking at the right one, appears to show electric radiant heaters mounted under one of their patio covers, in the picture on the top of the page:
Need shade covering ideas for your carport, deck, or patio? Get inspired by the low-upkeep patio covers by Four Seasons Sunrooms. Lifetime warranty.
That said, if it is a fabric or roll out cover, or even wood, I would agree with being concerned about the heat. In that case, either increasing your heat output from the fireplace, or using a patio heater like Attjack shows, which is low to the ground, would be an option. That way there is time for the heat to spread before it reaches the 9 foot ceiling.
On the fireplace, are you burning wood? If so, having a large masonry wood burning fireplace in my den, I can vouch for the fact that most heat goes up the chimney. Only when you have built up a bed of coals do you get radiant heat, and building up the glowing coal bed takes an hour or two. Lot longer than the time to sip a bourbon and smoke a cigar. And that radiant heat is mostly felt within an area of 5-6 feet in front of the fireplace. The rest goes up and to the ceiling and away. Someone sitting 8-10 feet from the fireplace will have no heat in that type situation. This is one reason that I switched over last year to a vent-free natural gas log set last season, so that we could actually benefit from some heat.
One thought to "speed up" having hot coals is to use a chimney full of charcoal as your fire starter, so that you start the fire with a bunch of red hot coals, and add the wood on top of it. That still does not solve the fact that the radiant heat is best felt close to the fireplace.
Alternatively I know for a fact that there are outdoor natural gas log sets that will put out radiant heat once the ceramics get hot, and be ready much quicker than a wood fire. The issue this year is that the supply chain disruptions are making it hard to find this type of item. I got some gas logs last year at BBQGuys.com, and this year they have hardly anything in stock.
Something I did this past year to provide heat in my outdoor pavilion was to get a portable propane powered fire pit, and we sit around it and drink or talk, and you feel the heat from the flames, and being on the ground, its far enough from the 8-10 foot high pavilion roof structure to where I have no concerns with heat damage. Once hot, the lava rocks start glowing red and put off even more radiant heat:
Just my 2 cents.
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Here’s a pic standing on the outside of my semi enclosed pergola. Maybe you have something like this??? I’ve been using 3 different heaters depending on how cold and how much the wind is blowing.
I have a "My Big Buddy", like Attjack shows above that I can sit on the table and let it blow right on me and that works pretty good. I can also light my standing heater, pictured below to help if needed. Both of these work really good as long as the wind isn’t blowing too hard.
If it is, I use my Mr. Heater, this thing gets pretty warm and makes it cozy, but make sure you have some ventilation because unlike the "My Big Buddy" you don't want to use this in a totally enclosed area.
I don’t worry about getting anything too hot either, my ceiling is 9-10’ high and never gets very warm.
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I have a Big Buddy, and it's been a great heater. Is the area you are trying to heat enclosed at all? If not, any heater is going to heat a relatively small area, so if it's just for you it would work, but I don't think it would for a larger group. We also have a DeWalt cannister heater, which puts out about 3 time the heat, but is noisier, more expensive to run, and can't be used in enclosed areas. ( https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/d...8aAjUmEALw_wcB ). The DeWalt has been a good heater too. If it's just for you, a cheap electronic ceramic heater might be enough.
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My name is Josh, not Joey (surprise), and I reside in Central Ohio. I have been grilling since I could drive, and smoking for around 15 years. Over the past couple of years I have gotten more into just cooking, and really enjoy sous vide and the flat top. I find myself experimenting with different foods and new ways of cooking as an outlet to work stress. I use every piece of equipment I own regularly, with the exception of the electric smoker. That only gets brought out on occasion to make jerky.
My favorite beverage is bourbon. I typically have at least 8-10 bottles open at any given time. While I have favorites, I enjoy sampling new and different varieties.
I have a standing heater like Dadof3Illinois mentioned. It is tall, and would be somewhat close to your ceiling, but it is a radiant heater on which the entire top is dedicated to reflecting the heat downward. The top does get hot, but very little heat moves up from the top. I use mine to smoke cigars outside (and I have no walls or pergola) and it keeps me warm in 35 degree weather (I also wear a coat).
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Engerbtrecht Braten 100 (wood and charcoal)
Blaze Grill (gasser)
Large Big Green Egg
Large WSM
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Webber Jumbo Joe
Webber Smokey Joe
Favorites:
Sapphire martini up (bone dry) olive and a twist
Burbon barrel stout
Jonny Walker Blue - if someone else is buying
Originally posted by jfmorris View PostSierraBBQGuy What is interesting is that the 4seasons web page, if I am looking at the right one, appears to show electric radiant heaters mounted under one of their patio covers, in the picture on the top of the page:
Need shade covering ideas for your carport, deck, or patio? Get inspired by the low-upkeep patio covers by Four Seasons Sunrooms. Lifetime warranty.
That said, if it is a fabric or roll out cover, or even wood, I would agree with being concerned about the heat. In that case, either increasing your heat output from the fireplace, or using a patio heater like Attjack shows, which is low to the ground, would be an option. That way there is time for the heat to spread before it reaches the 9 foot ceiling.
On the fireplace, are you burning wood? If so, having a large masonry wood burning fireplace in my den, I can vouch for the fact that most heat goes up the chimney. Only when you have built up a bed of coals do you get radiant heat, and building up the glowing coal bed takes an hour or two. Lot longer than the time to sip a bourbon and smoke a cigar. And that radiant heat is mostly felt within an area of 5-6 feet in front of the fireplace. The rest goes up and to the ceiling and away. Someone sitting 8-10 feet from the fireplace will have no heat in that type situation. This is one reason that I switched over last year to a vent-free natural gas log set last season, so that we could actually benefit from some heat.
One thought to "speed up" having hot coals is to use a chimney full of charcoal as your fire starter, so that you start the fire with a bunch of red hot coals, and add the wood on top of it. That still does not solve the fact that the radiant heat is best felt close to the fireplace.
Alternatively I know for a fact that there are outdoor natural gas log sets that will put out radiant heat once the ceramics get hot, and be ready much quicker than a wood fire. The issue this year is that the supply chain disruptions are making it hard to find this type of item. I got some gas logs last year at BBQGuys.com, and this year they have hardly anything in stock.
Something I did this past year to provide heat in my outdoor pavilion was to get a portable propane powered fire pit, and we sit around it and drink or talk, and you feel the heat from the flames, and being on the ground, its far enough from the 8-10 foot high pavilion roof structure to where I have no concerns with heat damage. Once hot, the lava rocks start glowing red and put off even more radiant heat:
https://www.campchef.com/back-patio/...fire-pits.html
Just my 2 cents.
Forget to mention, it’s a gas log set, ventless fire place so no heat going up a flue.Last edited by SierraBBQGuy; November 30, 2021, 04:01 PM.
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Ah. Yeah, I can see the problems there. A ventless set still vents most of its heat UP out of the firebox and up over the mantel, and in your case, out the edges of the roof. I've got the vent free inside, and end up running the ceiling fan in reverse on low speed to help get the heat down from the ceiling and distributed around the room.
Many of the outdoor gas logs that are not designed for vent free operation let the flame impinge on the logs, and produce some radiant heat. Just a thought.
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Engerbtrecht Braten 100 (wood and charcoal)
Blaze Grill (gasser)
Large Big Green Egg
Large WSM
Green Mountain Grills Davy Crockett (pellet)
Webber Jumbo Joe
Webber Smokey Joe
Favorites:
Sapphire martini up (bone dry) olive and a twist
Burbon barrel stout
Jonny Walker Blue - if someone else is buying
The area is open, here are a few pictures. The kitchen is at one end, seating area at other. We still need to face the fireplace with stone.
I’m also looking for something that is pleasing to the eye. I first thought one of the pyramid style heaters, but have come to understand they don put out much heat.
As you can see, I do have a fire pit also, but not covered. Puts out more heat than the fireplace actually.
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Your space looks fantastic. I have a standing heater too and it looks more classy than my Big Buddy but it pales in comparison in the performance department. Here's a thought. They make metal fans for wood stoves that run off the heat of the stove. Maybe they make larger-scale heat fans you could place near the fireplace?
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I like the standing heater idea. You likely need a couple of them. You get just a wee bit colder than I do. A number of restaurants here still serve dinners outside in the winter using them and patrons are comfortable. You can still find some at COSTCO. My wife won’t let me get one because she fears I will abandon the dining table for holiday gatherings.
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Engerbtrecht Braten 100 (wood and charcoal)
Blaze Grill (gasser)
Large Big Green Egg
Large WSM
Green Mountain Grills Davy Crockett (pellet)
Webber Jumbo Joe
Webber Smokey Joe
Favorites:
Sapphire martini up (bone dry) olive and a twist
Burbon barrel stout
Jonny Walker Blue - if someone else is buying
Originally posted by Joey877 View PostI have a standing heater like Dadof3Illinois mentioned. It is tall, and would be somewhat close to your ceiling, but it is a radiant heater on which the entire top is dedicated to reflecting the heat downward. The top does get hot, but very little heat moves up from the top. I use mine to smoke cigars outside (and I have no walls or pergola) and it keeps me warm in 35 degree weather (I also wear a coat).
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The one in my pic above was just a cheap one on sale at Lowes for like $125. If you don't get much wind and it stays above 45F for the majority of the time I would think this could work pretty good.
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Yes, that's about how tall mine is. I am actually contemplating buying a second one to create a "heat zone" on my patio. I doubt that would be necessary at temps above 35-40, or if you have any walls to help hold the heat. My patio is completely exposed. I am at work and do not recall the brand, but they all look pretty similar.
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There are low clearance infrared tube heaters available that can be mounted to the ceiling, with some only needing about a 6†clearance from the ceiling. However the bottom needs to be at 8’ or greater from the floor. You might find one that could be installed to cover the seating area without clashing with the look of your covered area. They do make gas and electric models. Just a thought.
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Slow 'N Sear XL
Arteflame 26.75" Insert
Blaze BLZ-4-NG 32-Inch 4-Burner Built-In
- With Rear Infrared Burner
- With Infrared Sear Burner
- With Rotisserie
Empava 2 Burner Gas Cooktop
Weber Spirit 210
- With Grillgrates
​​​​​​​ - With Rotisserie
Weber Q2200
Blackstone Pizza Oven
Portable propane burners (3)
Propane turkey Fryer
Fire pit grill
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These would be great, don’t think I have adequate power for any of these that run on AC. I’ll look into it.
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I wish, already spent a lot of money running the propane lines up through the concrete floor. Not about to run an unsightly line external.
I’m pretty well limited now to some freestanding heater.
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