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  • mikez
    Club Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 3

    Weber gas newbie G2 E335 , 30 yr Weber charcoal expert, not happy...

    30 year + Weber charcoal guy. Have burned/used up 3 old school W kettles, and 4 Performers, some junk Brinkman electric/charcoal smokers, still liking my Smokey Joe.

    My honey bought me for 60 bday , Weber GII E-355 with sear burner, nice machine but...
    Nothing tastes right ! or good!. I have done dogs/brats/burgers/steaks p-chops dont taste right/good.

    Yes I did new grill burn off, vaporizers/diffusers were orange hot for for 2.5 hours, then 2.5 hrs at half power.
    I did not think food would taste better on gas, but also did not think it would suck.

    Or am I just a charcoal snob ?
  • RonB
    Club Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 12685
    • Near Richmond VA
    • Weber Performer Deluxe
      SNS
      Pizza insert
      Rotisserie
      Smokenator 1000
      Cookshack Smokette Elite
      2 Thermapens
      Chefalarm
      Dot
      lots of probes.
      CyberQ

    #2
    My wife used to know someone who sold high(er) end gas grills to dealers. He sold one of his demo gassers to us at the end of the summer years ago. I think I used it twice before selling it. I just love the flavor charcoal gives food...

    So, from my point of view, the answer to your question is no.

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    • zero_credit
      Club Member
      • Mar 2020
      • 258
      • Near Chicago, IL
      • Current Pride and Joy:

        Masterbuilt Gravity 560

        Old (sold) Loves:

        PBC
        Weber 22" Premium

        Thermometers:

        Inkbird

        Preferred Charcoal:

        B&B Charlogs

      #3
      I'd also agree the answer to your question is no. Perhaps time to trade in for a Hasty Bake or the Good One smoker?

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      • JGo37
        Club Member
        • Apr 2018
        • 1576
        • the LOU
        • Cookers:

          22" Blackstone Griddle, with stand & hood
          CharGriller Portable Firebox - so modified you'll BLOL
          Kitchenaid #810 Charcoal Grill - highly modified
          Weber BI-code Black Performer w/Igniter
          Weber DE-code Red Limited - 'Lucille'

          Accessories:

          Ancient heavy CI Propane Turkey Fryer, for lighting chimneys
          BBQ Dragon kettle shelves - 2
          Fyre Dragon Kettle Drippin' Ring, Burnin' Cone & Drippin' Pan - 2 sets
          Fyre Dragon Kettle Ribbin' Ring
          Fyre Dragon Kettle 2-Zone Smokin' Sheet
          OneGrill Rotisserie for the Kitchenaid
          Smokenator
          Smoking Tubes: 2x12" & 1x6"
          SnS
          Weber Gourmet Grill w/Griddle, Pizza Stone & Wok

          My Helpers:

          Anova 900W Sous Vide Cooker w/Radios
          Instant Pot 6Q Duo
          Nesco Tabletop Roaster
          & the PIT!

        #4
        You're a charcoal snob. Just like me. Man, wood, fire.

        (don't get technical on me folks - you get my drift... LoL)

        Gas is for vehicles and landscaping equipment, not meat.

        (I do own a Blackstone, but that's TOTALLY different)

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        • Bkhuna
          Bkhuna commented
          Editing a comment
          Wood... drift...

          I see what you did there.
      • jfmorris
        Club Member
        • Nov 2017
        • 3005
        • Huntsville, Alabama
        • Jim Morris

          Cookers
          • Camp Chef FTG900 Flat Top Grill (2020)
          • Weber Genesis II E-410 w/ GrillGrates (2019)
          • Weber Performer Deluxe 22.5" w/ GrillGrates & Slow 'N Sear & Drip ‘N Griddle & Party Q (2007)
          • Custom Built Offset Smoker (304SS, 22"x34" grate, circa 1985)
          • King Kooker 94/90TKD 105K/60K dual burner patio stove
          • Lodge L8D03 5 quart dutch oven
          • Lodge L10SK3 12" skillet
          • Anova
          Thermometers
          • Thermoworks Smoke w/ Wifi Gateway
          • Thermoworks Dot
          • Thermoworks Thermapen Classic
          • Thermoworks RT600C
          Beverages
          • Whatever I brewed and have on tap!

        #5
        Wow - that is crazy burning off for that long. I think 30 minutes would have been plenty! I washed the grates, then burned off for 30 I think, when I got my Genesis II last year. Maybe you induced an off flavor by getting the flavorizer bars red hot? I've never seen mine turn red. Do you smell any funky odor to the grill itself, when not cooking?

        I have had both Weber charcoal and gas grills for years (a Genesis 2 burner since 2002), and currently have a Weber Genesis II E-410 4 burner grill, and a Weber Performer Deluxe. I also have a large offset that doubles as a charcoal grill that I've been using since the 80's.

        I cook certain things only on charcoal, but any time I have a big cook and its just burgers, chicken or even some reverse seared steaks and I don't have a spare half hour to get the Performer going, I use the Genesis. The food from the Genesis doesn't suck, but it doesn't have the same wood/charcoal smoke flavor as the kettle. It has smoke generated from drippings sizzling when they burn up on the hot flavorizer bars.

        The best thing I ever did for my gas grill was to install a full replacement set of Grillgrates. However, my son has a 3 burner Spirit II, and grills all sorts of stuff, with the stock cast iron grates. The Grillgrates mostly increase searing heat, and reduce flareups. And make for good Smashburgers on the flat side! I almost used the Weber as a griddle more than a grill, before getting a dedicated griddle.

        I think you are just missing the smoke. And maybe you are drying stuff out? I think a propane grill can tend to do that if you run the heat too high.

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        • FireMan
          Charter Member
          • Jul 2015
          • 7674
          • Bottom of Winnebago

          #6
          Ever think of usin wood chips to give some smoke. Might change things fer ya.
          BTW, welcome, eat good and have fun!

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          • bbqLuv
            bbqLuv commented
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            FireMan, Y U take me comment. LOL
        • ScottyC13
          Club Member
          • Jul 2019
          • 499
          • Boston Area
          • Name: Scott, Chemical Engineer

            Equipment:
            Weber Genesis
            Weber Spirit Special Addition, with Griddle and Grillgrates (just got)
            Thermoworks Smoke (2)
            Thermoworks Thermapen (2)
            Thermoworks IR (1)
            Maverick IR (1)
            Penzey's Spice rack with loads of spices

            Hobbies:
            Cooking, wine, guitar, golf, beach, board games, travel, herb gardening

            Want to get into BBQ and Smoking.

          #7
          I use both a Weber gasser and Performer. Food tastes great on both, but they are different.

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          • cgrover60
            Club Member
            • Mar 2016
            • 382
            • Albuquerque NM

            #8
            I'm trying to wrap my head around the number of cooks it would take to burn through 3 kettles and 4 perfomers. Charcoal is it for sure. I use a gasser strictly for quick convenience as a last resort.

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            • jfmorris
              jfmorris commented
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              Agreed. Unless you are throwing logs into the bottom of the kettle and making bonfires, or not using a charcoal grate, I don't see how you would destroy that many in just 30 years. My Performer gets used a lot, and it was new in 2007. I gave away a kettle in good condition that was made in 1997 last year to a friend that needed a grill.
          • Locknut
            Club Member
            • Aug 2020
            • 1
            • Bowie Maryland

            #9
            I have to agree with cgrover 60. 3 kettles and 4 performers. I still have my Weber kettle after 31 years and it gets used at least weekly. I did replace the grates with a stainless hinged version about 15 years ago. The wood handles are way better than the plastic ones. I have a weber ss Spirit gas, and it is about 20. It gets used for quick cooking. I also have a Weber Smoky Mountain Bullet smoker. They are all great when used for their strong points. I believe that time and use will take care of your gas grill problem. I'm not accusing, but a decent grill cover can prolong the life of your grills...just sayin.

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            • ofelles
              Club Member
              • Jun 2018
              • 2001
              • Brentwood CA
              • Yoder YS640 on Comp cart
                Klose 20x42 Charcoal Grill
                LSG Insulated Cabinet
                Jumbo Joe
                VacMaster Pro 380 sealer
                FireBoard and Pit Bull fan
                Thermoworks Signal
                Thermoworks Dot
                Thermopen Mk4

              #10
              Wlcome from the California Delta. That's some serious grilln' to go through that many grills.

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              • HouseHomey
                Club Member
                • May 2016
                • 5259
                • Huntington Beach, Ca. Surf City USA.
                • Equipment
                  Primo Oval xl

                  Slow n Sear (two)
                  Drip n Griddle
                  22" Weber Kettle
                  26" Weber Kettle one touch
                  Blackstone 36” Pro Series
                  Sous vide machine
                  Kitchen Aid
                  Meat grinder
                  sausage stuffer
                  5 Crock Pots
                  Akootrimonts
                  Two chimneys (was 3 but rivets finally popped, down to 1)
                  cast iron pans,
                  Dutch ovens
                  Signals 4 probe, thermapens, chef alarms, Dots, thermapop and maverick T-732, RTC-600, pro needle and various pocket instareads.
                  The help and preferences
                  1 extra fridge and a deep chest freezer in the garage
                  KBB
                  FOGO
                  A 9 year old princess foster child
                  Patience and old patio furniture
                  "Baby Girl" The cat

                  Erik S.

                #11
                Perhaps Use less lighter fluid. ha!!

                I don’t know, that’s a strange one indeed.

                For sure different flavors from coal though.

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                • bbqLuv
                  Club Member
                  • Jan 2020
                  • 341
                  • Milwaukie OR

                  #12
                  I went from Charcoal to gas and stayed with gas for years. Then went to pellet grill, and never looked back at either.

                  Comment


                  • jfmorris
                    jfmorris commented
                    Editing a comment
                    I did that. Started with gas, then did nothing but charcoal for about 15 years, then someone gave me an almost new Weber Genesis, and I used that bad boy for most grilling the next 15 years. Only one the last several have I gone back to charcoal grilling. I still used charcoal just for smoking for the years I was using gas for grilling.
                • Parkin
                  Club Member
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 76
                  • Scottsdale AZ

                  #13
                  I got a Weber Spirit NG earlier this year and was also very underwhelmed with it. Added Grill Grates and powered through cooking on it and can report that the initial "meh" taste I was getting from it, has gotten a lot better...Pellets or chips burning on the GG's helps a bunch. It's never going to replace charcoal, but the more I use it, the better stuff is tasting.
                  Last edited by Parkin; September 11, 2020, 12:54 PM.

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                  • jfmorris
                    jfmorris commented
                    Editing a comment
                    I keep hearing this. I need to buy a bag of pellets and try it...

                  • Parkin
                    Parkin commented
                    Editing a comment
                    It's not quite the same, but getting some smoke on there definitely helps.
                • Steve R.
                  Club Member
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 2310
                  • Elizabethtown, KY
                  • Current line-up of cookers: Weber 26" kettle w/ SnS and BBQ Guru adapter; Weber Smokey Mountain 22" w/ Guru adapter.

                  #14
                  A little seasoning from using it for awhile might help. Maybe cook a package of cheap bacon in there before using it for anything else again. Honestly, I think the "charcoal flavor" is really from the smoke created by the grease and whatnot dripping directly onto the hot coals. Completely lit charcoal on its own is a fairly neutral heat source, imho.
                  Last edited by Steve R.; September 11, 2020, 01:55 PM.

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                  • jfmorris
                    jfmorris commented
                    Editing a comment
                    If he does bacon on a Weber Genesis without Grillgrates, be prepared for flames. He needs to run it on low heat.

                    I agree that most flavor is from vaporized drippings, as once it is hot, the charcoal itself doesn't smoke that much. Otherwise, why would we be adding chunks of wood when we smoke stuff?
                • Mr. Bones
                  Birthday Hat Master
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 9271
                  • Kansas Territory
                  • Grills / Smokers
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                    Kingsford 24" grill (Free) 'Billy'
                    Brinkmann Smoke n Grill
                    Oklahoma Joe Highland, gaskets, LavaLock baffle / tuning plate. 'Big Joe'
                    Weber 18" Kettle ($30 CL) 'Lil' Feller'
                    Weber Smokey Joe ($25 CL) 'Lil' Brother'
                    Weber 22.5 Master Touch '93 P Code Blue($85) from fellow WKC member Bmitch 'Elwood'
                    Weber 22.5 Bar-B-Q Kettle '69-'70 "Patent Pending" Red ($80) from fellow WKC member dwnthehatch 'Maureen'
                    Weber 22.5 OTS DD Code Black ($40 CL) 'DeeDee'
                    Weber 22.5 OTS DO Code Black ($15 CL)
                    Weber 22.5 OTS E Code Black ($20 CL
                    Weber 22.5 OTS EE Code Black ($20 CL

                    Weber "C" Code 18.5" WSM '81 ($50 CL) 8-0!!!
                    Weber "H" Code 18.5" WSM '86 ($75 CL)
                    Weber " " Code 18.5" WSM

                    Weber 26.75, $199 NFM clearance !!!
                    Weber SJS AH 'Lil' Brother'
                    Weber SJS AT 'Lil' Sister'
                    Weber SJS DE Code (FREE) 'Lil' Helper'
                    Weber SJG M Code 'Lil Traveller'
                    Weber SJS AH Code 'Kermit'
                    (Lime Green)
                    Horizon 20" Classic, w/baffle/tuning plate (FREE)
                    Good One Open Range, (FREE), Monthly Prize from AR giveaway!!!!



                    Thermometers:
                    *********************************************
                    Ol' Skool Bi-metal probe pocket thermo, that has checked / served ~ 1,000,000 meals in my possession, easily...
                    Maverick ET-732, (Black)
                    Thermopops, (Red, Yellow, Green)
                    ThermaPen Mk4 (Black), THANKS!!! to jgjeske1
                    Blue ThermaPen Mk4
                    Orange Thermapen Mk4
                    Pink Thermapen Mk4
                    ThermoWorks IR-GUN-S
                    ThermoWorks Smoke
                    ThermoWorks Open Box Smoke
                    4 Pro Series cable extensions
                    Smoke Gateway

                    Accessories:
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                    2 Slow 'N Sears, Slow 'N Sear XL, Grill 'N Griddle
                    BBQ Vortex, 2 Hovergrills, Top Deck
                    Warming shelf
                    MyWeigh KD-8000Kitchen Scale
                    Backyard Grill marinade injector
                    Acoustic Guitars/Electric Guitars/Basses/1928 National Duolian/Harmonicas/Banjo Washboard, Spoons, kazoos, pocket comb with wax paper, egg shakers ;-)
                    Bear Paws
                    Meat Rakes
                    BBQ Dragon/Chimley of Insanity, Dragon Wing Shelves (x2 ea.)



                    Cookware:
                    Probably a ton of cast iron, mostly very old...still cookin'
                    G'Ma's Piqua skillet, :-)( They went out of business in 1934~)
                    '60's Revere Ware (Mom's), + others found elsewhere
                    60's CorningWare 10-cup percolator (Mom's) Daily driver
                    50's CorningWare 10-cup percolator (G'Ma's), for a backup! ;-)
                    Carpy Wally World stock pots, in approx 2 gal/3gal sizes, blue speckledty-porcelain enameled
                    Tramontina 6.5 qt Dutch Oven

                    Cutlery, etc.:
                    Shi*-ton of kitchen/chef knives, most sharper than my straight-razors are. (Better steel!) Chicago Cutlery, Old Hickory, various, including some nice German stuff ;-)
                    Dexter 12" slicing knife, 6" Sani-Safe boning knife
                    Smith's Tri-Hone Natural Arkansas Knife Sharpening System
                    Multiple steels, from all over the planet
                    Crock sticks
                    Diamond stones, various
                    Lansky Sharpening System

                    Tableware
                    Daily driver:Washington Forge Mardi Gras, Navy / Cobalt Blue
                    Dinner: Guests: Washington Forge, Town and Country
                    Fancy / Formal: Family silverware

                  #15
                  Howdy from Kansas Territory, Welcome to Th Pit!
                  Lookin forward to learnin along with, an from ya, Mate!

                  No answer to yer questions; ain't never once had me no gasser. Sry.

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