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    #31
    Ok... <sigh> I got a little work done this week.

    Some things went better than others.

    Decided to do a folding exhaust stack on this one for a couple of reasons. Mostly measurement opportunities. I am working on some methods to measure airflow and I want to do an A/B comparison. Can never truly account for all the confounding variables, but I think I want to try to look at 'flow rates at 2 different exhaust stack lengths - one that is 'recommended' by the various pit design calculators out there, and one thati's what I want it to be - which is much longer, just about double, essentially.

    Now, most people doing hinged, fold-down stacks are folding their down along the length of the cook chamber. However, I have a couple of design elements that preclude this or make it a little more complex, so I decided I would fold this one vertically down toward the front of the trailer to 'hang' vertically when folded. I needed a hinge design that would allow for 180º fold, where many of the ones out there I've seen would have some problem with a full 180º. Since they only fold from vertical to horizontal, a 90º range of movement is all they need.

    Well, here's what my plasma guy and I came up with:


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    I think it worked out well, there were some ups and downs and I had to have a new set of hinge eyeloops cut at one point because I welded them on the wrong side of the lower stack. <sigh> Sometimes when I'm feeling cocky the universe has to be sure and let me know why I shouldn't be. lol

    Anyways, got the stack welded on eventually. Man that sucked. Some of the worst welds I've EVER done, I think. Luckily I have a grinder.

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    It was at this point I put my rolling doorhandle in, which is just 3/4" black pipe over 1/2" round bar. I was hoping having a good lift point would make the weight of the door more tolerable. Yeah... it didn't. Still quite a heavy door. I could lift it with one hand, even with my really bad shoulders, but it was a chore. With 2 hands it was much better, but I could hear my wife complaining in my head. Combined with it being a little high, I felt it would get onerous, so I decided... I was going to do a counterweight.

    So here is my idea of a counterweight arm mocked up. I decided to use some flat strap to build a 'theoretical' arm and see how it fit, looked and most importantly, where it would swing and stop on the backside of the tank, serving double duty as a weight and as a doorstop. I liked where this came out and where it ended up on the back when opened, AND liked the placement of the door on the upswing and limit. Not too high, so still pretty easy to reach, for all but the shortest people.

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    Then it was time to cut the components of the support arms, which meant measuring and comparing angles and making sure I was cutting them on the correct side of the pieces and facing the right way - nothing like doing all your cuts and then realizing your angles are inverted on one side and you've just made yourself a bunch of welding practice coupons for another time while you repeat your work. lol

    Some pics of the process:

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    ^^^^EVOLUTION cold cut metal cutting chop saw - best. purchase. EVAR. Jus' sayin'.

    Super nice, super precise cuts.

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    This is what 2 67.5º angles come out to - I always have to stop and REALLY spend time thinking about my angles and what direction they need to point, etc. I can't just do this stuff in my head on the fly like some folks. I'm a very visual learner and implementer, so sometimes I have to sit and draw it out. In this case, to achieve a 45º inside angle from two evenly cut pieces, you take the reverse of that (135º) and split it in half.

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    Some might just say cut one piece at 45º and leave the other at 90º. Well, if you do that, they don't match up in dimensions. You can do it if you're joining in along a running length, for instance if I just want a 45º piece coming up off a long run, and it's not the END of the run. If you're joining ends, they won't match up in dimensions, as the crosscut section of the 90º piece with be shorter than the crosscut section of the 45º cut. It's hard to visualize, maybe I'll do a picture of one sometime. Anyways, with a pair of 67.5º cuts, joined together, you get a 45º angle. I also did a 45 on the 'door' end, as when I mocked that up, it looked like these two combined angles at these arm lengths would leave my counterweight in about the right position where I wanted it.

    Eventually I used my own homemade "Certiflat" welding table - aka a sheet of 1/4 scrap sitting on some sawhorses - to get the arms put together, then did my best to get everything level and plumb on a wobbly and NOT-flat table using shims and supports and magnets, and got my support arms attached. Then my son happened to be out there for me to swap out the interior doorhandle of his car and I made him hold it in place - the gantry held the weight, he just needed to hold the support arms at the right angle and position. I got 'em tacked in place so he could leave and I continued on.

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    I was absolutely drenched yesterday - I dunno why it SEEMED so bad, it was around 60% humidity and got into the low 90s. Once the sun heads west over the shop, and is no longer beaming in the east-facing doors, things get a lot more tolerable. I think I was out there about... 10 hours., From 10AM till nearly 8PM. But, I was very pleased at the end of it all when I got finished.

    Sprayed it down with some saltwater and vinegar to start the rusting process on the newly-cleaned areas I had to weld and grind.

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      #32
      A couple of pics with the door open - the limiting swing of the weight with 4" square tubing (1/4" thick) butting up against the back of the tank keeps the door from going too far overhead and making it hard to reach. Also the tipping point isn't too far to lift the door, this weight works better than the ones I put on my other doors on the Big Bertha smoker, for sure.

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      Really quite stoked how this counterweight and doorstop came out. Really worked out well. Especially for as fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants as it was, just guesstimating szes, lengths, angles and necessary weight and using scrap to build it with. Pretty happy.

      I went from a 2-hand heavy lift to literally not just one finger, but one PINKY lift. It's a little heavy for a single pinky, but for a forefinger it's nothing. Wowzers. I mean, it is EASY PEASY.

      Next it is time to build some racks!

      Then... what else... hrmmmm.... oh yeah, installing a thermometer. Aaaaannnnddd what else... ummm... oh some door latches. So it doesn't bounce going down the road - people are always talking about how your racks can slide out into traffic. Well, ok, I'm gonna put some door latches on. I happen to have 2 sitting in the shop from a previous project. I don't THINK I'm going to do a side shelf on this one, I'm getting more and more away from those. For one thing, they're kinda a PITA to build, and I just like the cleaner, leaner look without them. Anyways, we'll see.

      So far, looking good. May be linseed oiling it up this weekend, possibly on Sunday.

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        #33
        Dude, you are doing fantastic work!

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          #34
          Love it! So fun watching you go through each of these builds!

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            #35
            Thanks for the sentiments. I should be out at the shop right now, trying to get some cooking grates built - but after working this morning and then nursing home rounds and meetings, then a meeting on a new build I'm taking on - I'm just... wiped. I think I overdid yesterday in the heat, although it wasn't so hot, but it was humid, and I put in 10 hours at the shop. So I think I'm sitting on my arse tonight, trying to recover to get the grates built and installed tomorrow, instead. I need the recovery. And it's only going to get hotter over the next week. <sigh>

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              #36
              When I grow up I will build a mack daddy counter weight with a pit attached to it.

              Enjoying those vertical welds on the exhaust??

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              • realdocBBQ
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                OMG.... between that pipe I had being complete shite, and doing verticals, my welds we horrendous. As you obviously noticed in the pics! lol Luckily I have two Metabo grinders, so I'm all set. lol They look much improved now. I'll post some more better pics later in the weekend, hopefully when I have this FINISHED!

              • Jerod Broussard
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                realdocBBQ My grinders have made me a waaaaaaaay better welder.

              #37
              Well... got some WURK done yesterday and this project is all but FINISHED. Today is burn-in day, testing, temperature mapping and such. Thinking I may do some pitot tube measurements on the exhaust stack with it folded down and with it extended, comparing results. I need to look for a good chart or app to convert those measurements to CFM. I found an old Dwyer Magnehelic gauge to test with - 2 actually, one is inches of water pressure, the other is feet, so I don't think that the latter one is going to do me any good - not sure if the exhaust will even be able to generate enough pressure to measure properly, and I'm sure it will be pretty variable, but I really want to try to get some 'semi' scientific measurements about stack length and how it affects your 'draw'. The calculators out there tell me this pit should have a 29.2" exhaust stack, which is entirely based on some arbitrary calculation obtained... somewhere... that figures in cook chamber size and exhaust diamter. No other variables seem to affect it, and a 29" exhaust stack on this one, when I 'mocked' it up, looked silly. Too short. Since my last build used a much longer exhaust and ran amazingly well, I decided to try some experimentation.

              So... stay tuned for that!

              Yesterday was cooking grate day.

              Really, the hardest part of grate building is getting the sliding guides cut to length, shaped to fit the inner contours of the tank and then held in place while you tack them, then go back for a better weld once they're stable. I've developed a 'system' using my laser level to.... sort of... get them somewhat level and even, but it takes a lot of time measuring and rechecking, cut to approximate length, then go back and forth grinding a hair, coming back to test fit, then grinding a little more, etc. If you go too far, you may have just ruined your piece and have to start over, so doing it little by little is very important.

              Here are my slider rails:

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              Finally done with that, I moved on to my frames for the grates themselves. Decided to notch the corners on these, the last few I've done, I just overlapped the corners. It's only 1/8" so it's not a huge issue, but it does make your grates taller on 2 sides than the other. Sometimes I've ground that extra 1/8" down all along the rail, but it's a PITA, for sure. And if grate height is a big issue, in a small smoker trying to fit 2 shelves, it can make a difference, albeit slight. So this time I notched them to be flatter - and you also get an additional 1 (or 2) weld lines this way as well, but I've never had any feeling my grates were flimsy in any way, so I don't worry TOO much about that. But it's a nice touch.

              Here are the frames, there's just under 6" between the top of the lower rack and the bottom of the upper rack. Of course, for taller stuff, like turkeys, large prime rib roast, etc., you can remove the upper rack to cook on only the lower rack. Both racks slide out.

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              This is not a HARD process, but it is time intensive, taking a long time of measuring, remeasuring, lining up, taking things together to recheck square 100x before finally welding in place, etc. Not to mention cleaning up the metal. Cutting the expanded metal is quick, but it's been out in the weather a long time and has surface rust, so that was another half hour or so of just running a flap disc over the expanded metal to clean it up. It doesn't LOOK like it so much in the pictures because they're taken from a low-ish angle, so you see mostly the rust in the in-between sections, but the flat sections, both the top AND bottom surfaces are all bright shiny metal. I may take a pic of that today, can't believe I left that out.

              Also welded in some door latches - the door fits pretty nicely, and I lined it all around with a really good gasket material (Lava Lock), so there won't be ANY leaks. But because this is on a trailer, and has all sliding racks, I wanted to make sure it could be latched down before hauling to make doubly SURE no racks could go flying out of the chamber on the highway and hitting someone or something. It's a small small SMALL chance the door could bounce up high enough to let a rack slide completely out, but it's an easy fix, so... I fixed it.

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              So there she is, in almost all her glory. I do have a couple small things left to do - need to put in the 'keepers' for the sliding racks, so they don't tip if you pull them out. Where they are in the pics is the tipping point for the bottom. I've experimented with all kinds of keeper designs and I for some reason have trouble getting keepers to attach to the grates properly and hold and align and all that jazz, so I just weld a 4" or 6" piece of angle on top of my sliding rail and call it good. It worked really well on the Big Bertha smoker and it's pretty easy, so I'm sticking with it. That'll be about 20 minutes of work today.

              Last is thermometer(s). Trying to decide how many and where. I'm tossing up between 1 only in the middle vs 2, one off each side of the door handles. Leaning now towards 2, but, thermometer stems stick into your cook chamber, and can stick in your meat, which, if you're really loading this thing down, can be an issue. Thermometers are only good for using as an 'idea' of where your temps are, too. If they're too high, they're not giving decent 'grate level' temps, and if they're too low, they get in the way of the meat, also. It's kinda a catch-22. Honestly, I'd almost rather do without, as I use electronic temp monitoring. Almost all the time. But... trying to sell a pit like this without thermometers would probably be tough. The other thing people always ask is, "Are they Tel Tru thermometers???" NO, they're NOT. I'm not spending $50, $60, $70 each on thermometers JUST to get brand name recognition, for something that is so marginally useful anyways. Everyone says Tel Tru are the most accurate - great, who cares? We're talking about something that at best allows you to guesstimate where your temps are at the grate, you still need to learn your cooker and how that 'displayed' temp relates to your actual temp at the grate level where your meat is cooking, etc. Anyways, I don't see the need to spend a lot of money on something just to get a brand name people are hung up on. I'm not. The thermometers I use are about $25 each, which is enough, and they're good, they're accurate and they're pretty durable, from what I've found, they've been in my current backyard cooker, The Duk, for over a year, getting banged around and beat up, and they're still there and working fine.

              So... anyways, diatribe over. I'm prolly going to do 2 thermometers, but I want to get some temp mapping and the burn-in done to see if it will help me decide positioning and height of the thermometer stems.

              Then I'll probably do a couple of burns this week to get the measurements and things from the exhaust stack. I might do the boiled linseed finish today or later in the week, not sure. Just depends on how today goes, I suppose. And I need to do some weedeating around the shop again. <sigh>

              Oh, Lordy, my back...

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                #38
                That is quite the beast, realdocBBQ . You did a great job on it. It's been fun following along with this topic.

                Will you be keeping this smoker for personal use?

                Kathryn

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                • realdocBBQ
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                  No, I've been threatened if I bring any more home. The Wife says the next one I bring home better be big enough to sleep in. lol

                #39
                Looks GREAT! Nice fit and finish.

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                  #40
                  Very nice, good fun seeing the build progress! Just one question, not trying to be negative or anything, but looking at the photos it seems the trailer frame is kind of in the way of accessing the food chamber door? As in: I would have to step into it to get close enough to pull the grates out to move food around? Or does it just look that way in the photos?

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                  • realdocBBQ
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                    No, it just looks that way. The trailer is narrow and standing straight up you are only 11" from the sode of the smoker. Standing straight up, I can reach to the moddle of the bottom grate, and if I bed over I can touch the opposite wall. I'll post some pics standing next to if for better perspective.

                  • Henrik
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                    Cool, I suspected I was just wonkey-eyed :-)
                    Great build, I like the rustique look on this smoker.

                  #41
                  Time for burn in and temp monitoring - I may break out the linseed oil in a bit. Interior is already sprayed down with cooking oil

                  About to fire her up, got the Fireboad set up for some temp monitoring and a little experiemebt with the throat openingand flow, as well as trying the stack at 2 heights.

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                  • Jerod Broussard
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                    Totally dig the door latches.

                  #42
                  Now tell me you wouldnt want to pull up to deer camp (or Fish Camp???) with this beautiful beast behind you to make the guys envious as hell???



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                    #43
                    She now has a name...

                    "The Bronco"

                    I dont know why. Lol It just popped in my head and it seemed to fit. Maybe the color or something, who knows? It is what it is

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                    • Jerod Broussard
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                      I was thinking "Almost Pitch Black"

                    #44
                    You’re definitely a genuine pit builder now my friend. So when will you quit your other job and go full time on building pits? 😊😉

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                    • realdocBBQ
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                      Almost there... 2 side gigs, working on a 3rd. Gonna have to stop taking a salary at the primary job, so these things better sell.

                    #45
                    That is a beautiful pit

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