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Help Me Spend More Money: Holding Oven or Cabinet Pellet Smoker?

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    Help Me Spend More Money: Holding Oven or Cabinet Pellet Smoker?

    Some of you may recall that several weeks ago, I changed my approach for holding meat at the end of low and slow cooks. In the past, I have always wrapped in multiple layers of foil and just put the meat into an insulated cooler. But then I saw several of you going to the "foil boat" for the end of low and slow. And DaveD takes that even further, switching the meat in its boat over to his Copperhead 5 cabinet pellet smoker for the boat step and/or extended holding. So I played around a bit with my setup, and realized that when I'm doing indirect low and slow on my LSG Adjustable, I can pull out the drip pan at the point where I normally would have wrapped and just plop the meat into the drip pan with all those smoky, rendered drippings. Here are two chuck roasts in their pan from a recent cook:

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    For that cook, I just covered the pan with foil (probably added a few splashes of beef broth too) and moved it into my indoor oven at 170-180 for an extended hold. I was very happy with the result.

    Buuuut, that means mixing indoor and outdoor cooking. It also means that the oven is occupied if other cooking is involved (think holidays). Also, temperature control at that low setting is not very good. That got me started thinking about holding ovens. A look at WebRestaurantStore.com bluffed me out pretty quickly. Looks like their cheapest is about $1400 and only holds four hotel pans.

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    But then I said to myself, "Self, you're an idiot." (That happens a lot.) A cabinet pellet smoker works for that job as DaveD has already demonstrated. And it comes with the benefit of being able to do lazy cooks (which has appeal as my age advances and it's just a weeknight meal for two).

    Dave has the Copperhead 5, but as you know my outdoor kitchen is built around the theme of "bigger is better", so I'm leaning toward the Copperhead 7:

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    This is probably preordained, since it's coming up on the Pit Boss site today at $100 lower than I swear it was a couple of weeks ago the last time I looked (now $649).

    So, help me out here, folks. Does this make sense? I like the big capacity because at least once a year I cook for a group of 40 or more from the church. We also do lots of other gatherings in the range of 20 or so people, and so holding meat right out where we are mingling and then getting it out for service looks wonderfully easy if this beast is sitting out there.

    Is the Copperhead the right choice? I know the 5 got rave reviews and cooker of the year or something here, but there are some reviews on the Pit Boss site complaining of some unreliable electronic components? Dave, I know you've used yours a lot. Any problems so far? Are there other pellet cabinets I should look at? Is there something else that's obvious to any you that I might have missed?

    I'd probably like to make my choice soon, as the next cook for 40 will be in May.

    #2
    Oops. Posted too soon. Also meant to show that there are cheap ovens on Amazon, but they're small and I'm just not sure I'd trust them. This one is $369 and the shelves are only 16 by 16 inches.

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      #3
      While its not thermostatically controlled like the pellet cooker, your reasoning is one thing behind me wanting to EVENTUALLY get a Camp Chef Smokevault 24" gas smoker, as it would hook up to my natural gas hookup outside my fireplace end of the house, AND it will hold at least 4 full sized hotel steam table pans. I would want it for smoking and holding stuff during the holidays.

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      • Donw
        Donw commented
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        And you can bake in it too!

      #4
      If you buy an electric vertical smoker, you can use it just as a holding oven with no more smoke,
      or add wood chips and use it as a smoker for larger cooks.
      These are a lot less money, which means you'll be able to buy something else since you saved so much!

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      • Jim White
        Jim White commented
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        Yes, I do need to take another look at the electrics.

      #5
      You can get two smokers for the price of Copperhead, so if customer service and warranty are decent I would go with the Pit Boss.You can do so much more with the Pit Boss than the Copperhead.

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        #6
        Jim. You know there is only one answer. YES......You need both. Or all of them.
        Last edited by Steve B; March 13, 2024, 10:45 AM.

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        • klflowers
          klflowers commented
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          Jim White Steve here is a wise man. What he said is the correct answer

        • WayneT
          WayneT commented
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          MCS isn’t about options, it’s about what order.

        #7
        Jimbo my friend, might I recommend this one? Should fit your needs remarkably well! 🧐😉



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        • Jim White
          Jim White commented
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          That's just so nice of you, PJ! I'd love for you to buy that for me.

        • Panhead John
          Panhead John commented
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          But you said….Help Me Spend More Money. Just doin’ my part. 🥸

        #8
        From what I can tell the copperhead 5 prices will vary based on what version it is. Last year's non-wifi versions were on clearance for awhile and I really regret not getting one. This year's model now included wifi at an increased price so be sure to look out for that when comparing models. My guess is that's why you're seeing the price differences you are because they look almost identical.
        Fwiw I've already decided the cabinet smoker is the route I would go should the opportunity arise, it just seems more versatile.

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        #9
        These can have holding temps down to 140*F and are PID controlled. Trying to talk myself into one…

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        • Jim White
          Jim White commented
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          Nice! But for the capacity I'd like to have, that's probably beyond a price range for peace in the household.

        • barelfly
          barelfly commented
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          They had a nice sale on these a few weeks back. Follow them on Instagram if you are on that platform.

        • barelfly
          barelfly commented
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          I remember what it was - they were adding the Bella Pellet Smoker add on to the purchase, plus a few other standard things.

          Let me know if you have questions on the unit Troutman

        #10
        Why buy one when you can get two?

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          #11
          Jim White - I have the Smokin’ It 3D - for what you are wanting, as you mention above, is above your price. But, I use it for smoking and as a holder. It works great for that with the digital control and going down to 140*. It’s also a great cooker, doing pretty much everything. Heck, even cold smoking for various items, especially if you get the added on Bella Pellet Smoker.

          Happy to answer any questions if you happen to look a little more into them.

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          • Jim White
            Jim White commented
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            Dang it. When Troutman, barelfly and @ Uncle Bob team up, a powerful case is made. Starting to think about these a bit, trying to figure out trade-off on cost vs capacity. Looks like WiFi doesn't kick in until the 4? Pretty sure I can't spend that much...

          • barelfly
            barelfly commented
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            Jim White - the WiFi and app aren’t the greatest from what I’ve read on the message board. I don’t know if it’s been updated but I can check on that if you get searching more. I do suggest the digital Auber though. That provides the capability of cooking up to at least 325* (I can’t remember if it goes to 350*). the 4 is gigantic! My 3D I think I’ve cooked 4 porkbutts and had plenty of space, I may have had ribs in there as well. It’s a great little cooker!

          • Troutman
            Troutman commented
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            For crying out load Jim White man up and write the damn check. You can go through an intervention later.

          #12
          The capacity is limited and not within your requirements but I think a turkey roaster would make a great holding oven.

          $59- Oh wait didn't see that 'spend more money' part. PJ wins!

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            #13
            Jim this is all over my head, but I am all for you spending more money.

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              #14
              Jim, please buy the Mammoth so we can hear your thoughts on it. But this thing will hold anything you need for sure.



              Love spending your money btw! Seriously, Grilla is solid.

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              • Jim White
                Jim White commented
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                Dang! I wasn't aware of this one. I do admire Grilla a lot. I almost went with the Primate for my griddle so I'd have a gasser, too. It was a very close decision. I love the controller being on the top and love the WiFi coming with it. I have a lot of thinking to do. Thanks, David. Say hi to Teresa for me.

              • Huskee
                Huskee commented
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                I was going to suggest this one and was scanning the comments first to see if anyone beat me to it.

              • Panhead John
                Panhead John commented
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                That Mammoth looks like the one for you Jimbo! Let us know when it arrives. 😎 The universe will then be back to an even equilibrium since I’m selling the Bronco.

              #15
              If you are adding smoke flavor elsewhere and want this primarily for holding/finishing meats, the cheaper option is the Camp Chef Smoke Vault either 18”’or 24”. Cheaper than the Copperhead and Smokin” It and will do the same job. Of course, used could make it even cheaper.

              Our smokers will add mouth-watering smoke flavors like hickory, mesquite, apple, or cherry to your favorite cut of meat. Treat your taste buds and buy a Camp Chef smoker today.

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