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    Lump charcoal that won’t burn clean!

    I alluded to this in scullybones’ topic Jealous Devil vs B&B Oak, where I had to abort a cook because my lump wouldn’t burn clean; today I had a chance to look at it a bit closer.

    I fired up my BGE and let it run for a bit; after 10 minutes of open fire, it looks like this:

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    Which just doesn’t happen on an open fire in a BGE. An open fire burns clean, and starts smoking when you shut the lid and tamp the vents some; it will give white smoke as the dome temp rises, and usually stops at around 225° when the lump dries out and there is no water left. Then you get clean burning lump, and no smoke at all except maybe thin blue smoke from any wood you add. Also, this doesn’t smell good. It smells like creosote.


    I think this is why:

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    The lump charcoal isn’t completely carbonized! It’s obvious on the center log, but also you can see on the piece in the lower left, it is also brown and woody-looking.


    20 minutes later,

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    And you can see it’s still smoking. And this is blue smoke, so it’s woody, not creosote and not water vapor. That’s wood. (And it still doesn’t have a nice bbq smell; it has a wood fire smell.)


    15 minutes after that:

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    And that didn’t combust like charcoal does. It combusted like wood does. I’ve had an open-lid basket of lump charcoal burn for hours; this is done smoking, but it’s also almost completely burned out, like a small fireplace fire that might last half an hour.

    Anyhow. It happens. I don’t keep my bags of lump separate; this could be FOGO brown bag, it could be JD, it could be B&B brown bag. Thinking on it, it’s probably FOGO brown bag, not JD, because the pieces are mostly huge (so big they don’t pour out of a Kingsford caddy, I had to take the lid off). Not that JD is rubble, but this is ALL boulders. I don’t buy FOGO brown any more, the black bag is the exact same product, costs less, and I find it to be more versatile and easier overall to control. But this one was left over from last year.

    #2
    I have on a couple of occasions opened bags of lump the had some pieces that weren’t completely carbonized. Without fail those bags are the ones that pop and send sparks flying. I’m picky about my charcoal. I burn mostly B&B oak now. It’s not perfect but I feel it’s consistently good. Good to me is all carbonized, not to manny small pieces and not to many huge ones. If I could get consistent pieces between tennis ball and fist sized it would be just right for me.

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    • Mosca
      Mosca commented
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      Yep. That’s perfect. You can use that charcoal for anything. The really big stuff doesn’t always grill well because it’s not uniform, and the really small stuff doesn’t always smoke well because it can clog the vents. The medium stuff works well for everything.

    • Jessterr
      Jessterr commented
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      +2

    #3
    I've had a few big hunks of logs in my bags of B&B oak lump, but never anything to-date that wasn't fully carbonized. I can see the big chunks being an issue in the charcoal making process. I've usually busted the big hunks up with a hatchet I keep out in the shed and use to split oversized smoking wood chunks.

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      #4
      I agree with you Oak Smoke. B&B Oak has been my favorite Lump for quite awhile. It's readily available, pretty consistent size wise, and pretty fair priced for what you get. Every once in awhile I try others though just for the heck of it. I have a bag of the large Jealous Devil on hand I'll try for a long cook someday.

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        #5
        Bought some charcoal at a grocery store earlier this year. cannot remember the name. Lit it in chimney, 30 minutes later took a look and changed my cook, moved to pellet grill. the rest went in dump.

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        • Duanessmokedmeats
          Duanessmokedmeats commented
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          That is why I have 20 bags of charcoal...back-up

        #6
        I wasn’t blown away by the black bag FOGO. The MB lump worked great but it is not carried in stores anymore. I do also like the B&B lump quite a bit. Given what is available locally, I am hoping the JD lump will work out for me (first time trying it) but if not I will be back to B&B lump.

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        • Smoked Transistors
          Smoked Transistors commented
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          JD is my favorite lump. Plus Home Depot has it stock which makes it convenient for me. I agree, FOGO black bag did not impress me at all in the past.

        #7
        My last 2 bags of B&B had pieces of uncarbonized pieces in it. I was going for hot cooks so I didn’t really sweat it much but that can be a bummer if you’re going low/slow.

        Still like my JD, but got a deal on Blues Hog lump, so far I’ve been impressed with it.

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          #8
          I know this is an older thread, but I finally tried lump as I read that lump burns hotter than briquettes. I use B&B Oak briquettes or KBB for low-n-slow, wanted to see how well lump worked for wings and other hot-n-fast cooking like searing.

          I got a bag of FOGO Black. Now I understand what you all have posted about the inconsistent size of that charcoal, and some not fully carbonized. It had some that were very large and wouldn't fit in my chimney, but yesterday when I went to sear some steaks, the bottom half of the bag was filled with very small pieces. I mean, no way they would stay on the charcoal grate, or even in my SnS insert. I threw that half bag away.

          Guess I'll try JD or B&B lump, both fairly available around here. I should have paid more attention to this post!

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          • Oak Smoke
            Oak Smoke commented
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            I have great luck with B&B. I get it at Walmart or Academy sports. It’s about as economical as you’ll find at $14.96 for 20 pounds.

          • Starsky
            Starsky commented
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            I had the same issue with my last bag of Jealous Devil lump charcoal. I had to use a hammer to break it into usable pieces. And honestly, there's an odor it gives off that I'm not particularly fond of

          #9
          After years of using this…
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          I’ve been very happy with my first bag of FOGO Black. Very consistent size, especially compared to what I was used to. Even if I didn’t have a bad experience with the old stuff (last bag was less than half medium/small chunks, three big logs - bigger than I use in my stickburner! - and the rest dust and dime size pieces) I’m still impressed with the consistency of FOGO.

          I only use charcoal for grilling - not smoking or any kind of low and slow - so my black bag experience has been great!

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          • RlsRls
            RlsRls commented
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            What do you use for smoking then? You said "I only use charcoal for grilling" Did you mean only use lump for grilling??

          • GolfGeezer
            GolfGeezer commented
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            I guess my bag of FOGO Black was the evil twin of your bag...or someone swapped the contents of your old lump into the bag I bought as the FOGO bag I had fits your description "(last bag was less than half medium/small chunks, three big logs - bigger than I use in my stickburner! - and the rest dust and dime size pieces)"

          • Santamarina
            Santamarina commented
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            @RisRis My stickburner only gets oak splits. If I’m in a hurry to get things rollin I may dump half a chimney of lump in the bottom to get the coal bed going, but after that it’s nothing but seasoned oak.

          #10
          To me, lump isn't worth the hassle.

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          • Johnny Booth
            Johnny Booth commented
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            Me too, me too. IMO, Lump is a bag of unpredictability and does nothing for the flavor vs. briquettes. I use them to start my offset. For the PK I add 1/4” by 2” wood splits. Very small so they burn and don’t smolder. 👍👍

          • Sweaty Paul
            Sweaty Paul commented
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            Smoker_Boy and fzxdoc do you think that lump burns cleaner with more or less residue than briquettes? I've been using Jealous Devil Max briquettes on my PK 360, however, I recently purchased a Primo XL and where I bought it said they all used lump. Looking forward to your responses.

          • Smoker_Boy
            Smoker_Boy commented
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            Sweaty Paul - I have only used 2 bags of Royal Oak lump and never paid any attention.
            Sorry man!!

          #11
          FWIW, I gave up on FOGO two years ago, as the piece sizes became wildly inconsistent and occasionally uncarbonized. B&B and Jealous Devil lump for me, with an occasional change to Rockwood if Ace has a sale

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          • Mosca
            Mosca commented
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            I bought a couple bags of Rockwood that were all rubble. They were probably from the bottom of the pallet. I used it in my BGE, but had problems with the fire cratering, it wasn’t getting a good air flow. With all the accolades Rockwood gets I’m sure it’s good stuff; my experience goes to show that sometimes that just isn’t enough.

          #12
          I just don’t get it. 🤷‍♂️ Why does anyone bother with lump charcoal? In this thread and others, there seems to be a lot of complaints about lump. A big issue seems to be irregular sized pieces…too many big pieces/too many small pieces/dust…not to mention all the sparks when burning. I tried lump charcoal many years ago and hated it, mainly because of all the sparks popping off when burning, but I also remember lots of irregular shaped pieces as well.

          Maybe someone can enlighten me to the advantages of lump over briquettes? 🤔 One thing I’ve read a lot is that lump burns hotter than briquettes. Ok, maybe it does, but damn, how hot do you need it inside your grill or smoker? I’ve used briquettes almost exclusively for well over 40 years and never had a problem with the coals not getting hot enough to grill with. [except for a few times with cheap ass charcoal]. When I say grilling, I’m not talking about just burgers and dogs. I’ve used briquettes for rotisserie cooked chicken/pork loins etc, in my kettle. I’ve hung chickens and ribs in the Bronco, never had an issue with briquettes not getting hot enough.

          Ok, let’s talk about lump for low and slow cooking. For slow cooking, extra hot temps aren’t needed, so why bother with lump? Briquettes can more than hold their own there, we’re only talking about temps running maybe 225-275 for the most part. I can do 350 with briquettes if needed, easily.

          Does lump burn cleaner than briquettes? Maybe, but briquettes have always burned plenty clean for me, I don’t have a problem with any foul odors or taste in my years of using briquettes. When first lighting the coals, yes, sometimes there’s an initial bit of bad smoke, but it quickly burns off. Please note that I’m talking about using good quality briquettes such as Kingsford, B & B, etc.

          Another thing I’ve heard is lump produces less ash than briquettes. Maybe I’m in the minority here, but the amount of ash left over at the end of a cook has never bothered me. As long as my briquettes will finish the cook without reloading, I just don’t care about the ash, I’m throwing it away anyway. I’m one of those people who doesn’t try and save partially burned briquettes for another cook, too much of a hassle. Unless the charcoal is unburned or barely burned, I don’t bother with trying to save it.

          I like the uniform size of briquettes and the steady temps I can expect from them. There’s just a big comfort factor in knowing what to expect from them before each cook, no “too big or too little” pieces to worry about. For me, it’s just not worth the hassle of using lump. Ok, stepping down off my soap box now and ducking beer bottles.
          Last edited by Panhead John; September 21, 2024, 01:26 PM.

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          • Mosca
            Mosca commented
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            I use lump in the BGE. Briquettes are too ashy and clog the bottom vent. I’ve never used lump in the Weber.

          • Oak Smoke
            Oak Smoke commented
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            It’s the old Ford, Chevy debate John. I’m as firmly in the lump camp as you are in the briquette camp. I’ve been using it for 10 years. Yes I’ll gripe once in a while but I’m no more likely to changes than you are. What ever gets us to where we want to be is ok with me. I’m so bad I’ve put together the plans to build a 55 gal retort to make my own lump. I’m hauling off oak and pecan I could make a bunch of lump from.

          • Santamarina
            Santamarina commented
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            I think Oak Smoke is on to something here. Briquettes vs lump may never be agreed upon. Each camp is likely to stay in their camp.

            Also…FORD!

          #13
          Well said.
          Well said indeed.

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            #14
            Well, if the increased ash from briquettes compromised the performance of my kamado, I'd be switching to lump as well, most likely, but only for it.

            Luckily, ash from a full load of briquettes never clogs my WSCGC when using it in kamado mode. The kettles and the PBC love briquettes. For those reasons, lump never darkens my doorway.

            I have a friend who exclusively uses lump in his Performer. He gripes about it from time to time but has never switched to briquettes. He says using lump, especially the ones with cool names like Cowboy Lump make him feel more manly. Then he pauses to hear my comeback, which can happen especially if we two couples have been sipping the adult bevvies while he grills. All good times.

            Kathryn​

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            • HawkerXP
              HawkerXP commented
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              I have an unopened bag of BGE lump for the past 5 years sitting in my garage. No plan to use any time soon.

            #15
            I have never had an issue with FOGO. I have no need to add wood to my cook. in fact all my cookers are in the garage because the neighbors hate me, now I only have the weber gasser on my postage stamp patio but i do put lump on the gasser sometimes especially with wibs.

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