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    KK Dennis Linkletter is actually a charcoal salesman

    I am delinquent in posting this because I wanted answers to my questions before sharing my first experience with the Panzerschwein. I had left Dennis a message and today he phoned me back. I had asked him why I only got 6 hours 😐 of burn time from a half basket of hardwood charcoal when he states much longer durations in the Komodo Kamado. Yes, only 6 hours at 230F, 😟 I refilled my charcoal basket twice for a 17 hour pork butt cook. Needless to say I was non-plussed (- +) 🧐🤯

    He kindly reminded me of some basic principals of thermodynamics. Nothing he told me was revelatory. Incidentally he was mentored by someone who worked at Kingsford for decades which is where he learned some things. I’ll get to the point - basically charcoal has a consistent unit energy per mass. However, the density (mass per volume) varies significantly depending on your product. And his reported duration is based on using a product that he produces which is very dense and has low ash production compared to other charcoals etc. READ: Your mileage may vary 🤨.

    For low and slow Dennis would always use a full basket of fuel. He doesn’t recommend using a deflector, although one is included, rather he likes to use a piece of foil barely larger than your protein. I asked what do you use the splitter for and he said rotisserie and grilling. Rotisserie the coals are in the back and a loaf pan fits perfectly on the non coal side. Grilling he angles the divider so its from 7-1 o’clock (he is right handed) and then does a reverse sear and enjoys not leaning over the hot coals while cooking. OK, these are hot tips 😉 He was very surprised that my charcoal didn’t last longer, it was B&B oak lump, the fact that all 3 half baskets were consistently 6 hours indicates thats probably representative for that product (or that bag of that product).

    Are you with me, yes I’m still annoyed 😑🧮🔭🧩 After that first cook, and before I had talked to Dennis, I realized I was going to need to get some extruded log type charcoal and I went to Ace and got some B&B competition char logs which look similar to the cocochar that he has developed. I should have ordered some of the cocochar with my cooker as the shipping would have been included but the link for it wasn’t on the web site when I ordered. As of today I only see boxes of the coffee smoking wood. I can get a box of cocochar on Amazon for $56/22 pounds 😱😳😲😧🫢😤🤬

    IF a single basket gets 80 hours of burn time as he states it is actually a better deal than hardwood lump. Plus it is only 2% ash compared to 7-10% ash for most charcoal. It is also completely neutral so it will not impart any flavor and only the wood chunks I use will season my cook. I have ordered a single box of cocochar and I will provide burn time and grams to fill the basket and I will compare the specs to the B&B competition char logs along with results etc.

    If it meets spec I will try to find some people that want to go in on a pallet and/or I’ll become a charcoal saleswoman. 🧳👩‍💼🃏 Some pics of the basket and splitter etc 😆🔥🔥🐿️
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    #2
    When I saw the title of this post, I thought it was about armadillos.

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    • acorgihouse
      acorgihouse commented
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      Haha, I just saw the Ks and thought "no way I'm touching this."

    #3
    Hmmm. That does sound annoying. I’d go on the KK forum and pose your observations and questions there. You’ll get more cooker specific feedback. I can’t imagine there isn’t a better solution than shipping charcoal from Indonesia or wherever.

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      #4
      80 Hours of burn time snd 2% ash sounds too good to be true. And if something sounds too good to be true….. welp… just sayin’. But I will remain completely neutral on this while I await your results. 😀

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        #5
        I was going to add in the tidbit you offered at the end - that the coconut extruded logs are supposed to offer no flavor. While some people may want this, a lot of folks like the charcoal flavor added when cooking with lump or briquettes. I don't know, I've never used it - but I'm curious. I've considered getting some to try out.

        Since I'll have my new Super 55 drum smoker this coming week, I am anxious to try it out and see how things go! I expect I'll be doing many cooks with various types of charcoal over the next few months.

        Oh, yes, I found out last night about an AMAZING site with charcoal reviews... I'll go post it in its own topic.

        Now... this website does APPEAR to be a dangerous thing to click on, I get it... but trust me, as a longstanding member here, I'm not going to try to trick anyone into clicking on something bad - I just checked this and this IS THE RIGHT LINK - but just be careful in your searching if you're sometime trying to remember it and cannot quite get it right - multiple searches along this theme might land you in some hot water at work or at home! Jus' sayin'....


        NAKED WHIZ KAMODO STYLE COOKERS AND LUMP CHARCOAL

        Trust me! I PROMISE this is a safe link! lol

        Maybe you charcoal/lump guys here have known about this site forever - I've never done much with charcoal, so this is news to me.

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        • MsTwiggy
          MsTwiggy commented
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          Smoker_Boy thats a great idea. It will be difficult to control for the outdoor humidity while it cools as I am going to have to wait for the ash to cool in order to weigh it. The kamado seals very well and so theoretically moisture intrusion should be minimal but its a variable we can’t control. 🔥🔥🐿️

        • Smoker_Boy
          Smoker_Boy commented
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          MsTwiggy - I mention this because when I was charting the temp spread in my Weber kettle I used 2 different charcoals - good ol' Kingsford and Oklahoma Joe's. The OJ had way more ash when all was said and done. The OJ even has a "soft" feel to it.

        • HotSun
          HotSun commented
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          1997 called and they want their website back. 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously though, thanks for sharing.

        #6
        Wow that seems over complicated.

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          #7
          I’m thinking, with all the positive feedback on both the product and the people behind it, that there is a useful answer. Perhaps you just need to experiment with different brands. FOGO works well for me: black bag is medium lump, brown bag is large lump. I bought a bag of Jealous Devil at Home Depot, and it works well, too. Theoretically, in an oxygen-modulated environment the particle size shouldn’t matter; but my experience is that it does, and for longer cooks I choose larger sized lump. See what happens. If a BGE can cruise at 225° for 20 hours, a KK can, too. After the shell heat sinks, it’s all just air and fuel.

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          • MsTwiggy
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            I agree with these points and was surprised. I have a veritable charcoal pantry and am currently sitting on 3 bags of hardwood lump - black FOGO, Blues Hog, B&B oak and all of these perform well. In my experience the larger particles going longer is because the voids don’t fill with ash as quickly which chokes the fire. 🔥🔥🐿️

          • JCBBQ
            JCBBQ commented
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            There was a KK guy who was on this forum when I first joined. He always used Fogo.

          #8
          I will say that I am kinda puzzled by the fact that given the SIZE of the KK, you are only filling a pretty small area in that basket with charcoal. And it's so far down, and the ceramic area is so much taller than most kamados... maybe he is right, and it's the law of thermodynamics - i.e. it takes more fuel to heat the grill when its twice the amount of ceramic of most kamados?

          Most kamado's I've used or looked at - my SNS, my son in law's Vision, and a couple of BGE's and KJ's - if you skip the basket, you have a cast iron or other type of grate in the very bottom, and you then fill the entire ceramic bowl with charcoal. In my case, that is almost the width of the kamado. I can literally pour at least 10 pounds of lump, maybe 12-13, into the bottom, and I level it out, light a little in the middle, put the deflector in place.... and I get 18-24 hour burn times, and STILL have charcoal left. This is with the B&B oak lump. Looking at those pictures, and some on the KK website, it sure seems you have a much narrower charcoal basket area than most other kamados of similar cooking grate size.

          I was running out of lump recently and supplemented with some B&B char logs and they worked fine, but I feel they produced more ash than the B&B lump did. Hope it helps you get longer burn times though!

          Any idea how much lump, i.e. what fraction of that 20 pound bag, is going into the basket to fill it up? 1/4 a bag? Less?

          The fact I can burn for 18 to 24 hours on 12 or so pounds of B&B when smoking at 225F in the kamado and still have some unburned charcoal around the perimeter kinda says the burn rate is something like 1 pound every 1.5 hours or so *FOR ME*. So if that basket only holds 5 pounds of charcoal, then that is a problem. And I don't care what charcoal you use if that's the case.

          Maybe heap the charcoal up as high as you can before installing the metal deflector, versus just going level to the top of the basket? I dunno. I'm kinda bummed with you, as a kamado this cotton picking expensive ought to be able to burn for 18-24 hours or longer just like every other kamado out there. The efficiency of kamados is one of their selling points, and if you have to refuel mid cook, that is just a pain in the caboose with any kamado I know of.

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          • STEbbq
            STEbbq commented
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            Jim beat me to it. This is my concern and comment as well. I don’t think charcoal is the issue so I wouldn’t want to invest in specialized charcoal just yet.
            Last edited by STEbbq; February 8, 2024, 11:19 AM.

          • MsTwiggy
            MsTwiggy commented
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            I am sure it will be sorted out. My hypothesis is that B&B oak lump may be less dense than FOGO or other brands. Also I only used half a basket as I wanted to cook indirect. I am sure that I should have filled the entire basket but based on my expectations I thought I should be able to get away with less charcoal and still carry a cook long enough to finish the butt. I maintained a very stable 230 throughout so I am confident I don’t have a leak. 🔥🔥🐿️

          • MsTwiggy
            MsTwiggy commented
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            There is no grate in the bottom of the cooker, the basket is the only thing that keeps the charcoal off the bottom and since the vent door and wooden control knobs are there in the front at the bottom I wouldn’t want to put charcoal directly into the firebox without the basket. It may be that I only filled the basket to 25% of its volume. I looked and had I filled the basket to the top of the splitter it would have more than doubled the volume of charcoal. 🔥🔥🐿️

          #9
          I just read where you did half baskets. That is part of your issue maybe? For low and slow, fill the entire basket, and light a single starter cube in the center.

          Is there not a deflector that covers the entire basket above the coals, i.e. with the full basket filled, like the ceramic deflectors on other kamodos? If not, I would use a drip pan or pizza pan on the lowest grate above the coals as a deflector. I bought an 18" drip pan from the Ceramic Grill store that I use on top of my deflector for a lot of low and slow cooks.

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          • MsTwiggy
            MsTwiggy commented
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            The Kamado comes with a ceramic deflector which i didn’t use because I used a drip pan and only filled half the basket to cook indirect. My charcoal might not have lasted as long because it was opened last season and has been in my garage. It’s totally possible that combined with only having half a basket made it run short. The energy expended on converting water to steam is significant. I live in a damp climate and I’m sure the humidity in the garage is close to the outdoor humidity. 🔥🔥🐿️

          #10
          I am confident that I can get longer burn times out of the unit. I had hoped it would be with any high quality lump charcoal and not be so persnickety. And I am not trying to throw shade on Dennis. Just expressing frustration at that first cook 🔥🔥😢

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          • Mosca
            Mosca commented
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            I wouldn’t say that the charcoal is the problem without changing it as a variable, but there is also no real cost to changing it as a variable; if it isn’t the charcoal, then you still have two bags of charcoal. Try the brown bag FOGO.

          #11
          We have some members who own these cookers. What has been their experiences with the fuel and timing? Pequod and billg71 come to mind as well as a few others.

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            #12
            I use Rockwood lump charcoal in my large BGE and it lasts about 18 hours consistently. I do not use any after-market baskets and fill the firebox generously. For long slow cooks like briskets, I layer the bottom with large chunks, then medium chunks, then small on top with wood chunks throughout for smoke. It works just fine. Rockwood does not, however work for grilling hot well, it does not get up to high temps easily to 500 or so well for steaks. I use other charcoal for that.

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            • MsTwiggy
              MsTwiggy commented
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              The layering of charcoal by size is very important for longer cooks so that it doesn’t choke on ash. That’s advanced stuff!! 🔥🔥🐿️

            #13
            You will get longer burn times than you are ever likely to need for a cook if you just fill the bowl with charcoal (pretty much any charcoal). For a low and slow cook there is no downside to filling the bowl to its maximum. One of the great things about kamados is you can easily shut all the vents/dampers to snuff out the fire and use whatever charcoal remains for your next cook.

            IMHO the best charcoal on the market is Rockwood. It's killned to a higher percentage of carbonization than others and thus is very neutral which allows your flavor wood to shine. Your

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            • MsTwiggy
              MsTwiggy commented
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              I have never seen Rockwood, I’ll keep my eyes out for it. I typically get my charcoal at Ace hardware. I’m going to check out the nakedwhiz site and see if they have compiled some good info there. 🔥🔥🐿️

            • Histrix
              Histrix commented
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              Rockwood is available at Ace hardware stores. If they don't have any in stock you can order it (in the store or via the Ace website) and they will get it in their store usually within a week or so.

              Since you're already familiar with Ace be sure to try and use one of the discount coupons they frequently send out.

            #14
            I am a little mystified, since I have been cooking on a BGE for over 13 years and have never had an issue with cooking time. I have cooked 40#s of pork shoulder for 22 hours on one load of charcoal. I will say that the charcoal can be a factor. I used Royal Oak (I know a lot of folks don’t like it) for years, but because they tend to have very few large pieces I began to experiment with other brands. I have noticed that in addition to volume of ash some charcoals burn lots faster than Royal Oak. You might want to check out this website for lump charcoal evaluations Nakedwhiz.com. Did you heat soak your Kamado. It takes about an hour for me to heat soak my BGE.
            Last edited by LA Pork Butt; February 8, 2024, 02:55 PM.

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            • KimO
              KimO commented
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              I used Royal Oak for a long time when I first got my BGE and it worked great and the coals lasted a long time with very little ash, then I started getting a lot of small pieces with lots of dust, not as many cooks in a bag, or as long of cooks in a firebox. Maybe I got a few bad bags? Should try again. I am not familiar with the term heat soak, what are you referring to? Thanks LA Pork Butt!

            • LA Pork Butt
              LA Pork Butt commented
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              KimO Heat soak refers to the first hour of bringing the BGE up to cooking temperature when the ceramic has absorbed the heat to match the dome thermometer.

            • KimO
              KimO commented
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              Ahhhhh. I do that. Didn't know there was a name for that LA Pork Butt! I guess I always thought of it as equalizing. Learn something new every day!

            #15
            @Ms Twiggy , you had me at “charcoal has a consistent unit energy by mass”. ❤️

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            • Smoker_Boy
              Smoker_Boy commented
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              FireMan - Math is hard...

            • MsTwiggy
              MsTwiggy commented
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              FireMan I should have said constant unit energy by mass. I’mma get there. . . 🧑‍🚒🔥🔥🐿️

            • FireMan
              FireMan commented
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              Oh, that to! 🌭❤️🚬🔥🦬

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