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Why My First Cook STILL Hasn’t Taken Place AND What I’m now Thinking of Doing for It…

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    #31
    Nicolaus I will do my best to answer your questions.

    First - those temp differences.... were you above the diffuser with all probes? That makes a difference. You have higher temp air coming up around the perimeter of the grill, forming convection currents, and those will be hotter than the grate temp above the diffuser. And when you open the lid, it will be natural for the added oxygen to get the fire going. I don't leave my bottom vent wide open however - it is usually open at most an inch during low and slow cooks.

    The temp should be much more even than what you measured, which is why I am asking about if the probes were above the diffuser or near the edge of the grate. You can't go by the dome thermometer - you are not cooking at the top of the grill.

    Also - I can honestly say I have never, ever scored the fat cap. I've trimmed it down in thickness, but don't score it. This is after literally hundreds and hundreds of butts (84 in my biggest cook to date). Just cook with the fat cap DOWN to the grate and towards the fire.

    Anyway, on the questions.

    1. Where exactly should I insert my 5 inch food probe(s) into the pork?
    If it is a bone in Boston butt, insert the probe in the end opposite the bone, centered. Kinda like in this picture below. I try to insert the probe until it is about at the center of the butt - this was a 6 inch probe. If you hit bone, pull back. You don't want to have the probe touching bone, as it will throw the readings off. I think with this butt, I hit bone and had to pull back an inch or two.

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    2. When should I add wood chunks?
    Wood chunks should be BURIED in the pile of lump before you light it, before the cook.

    3. Should I use the BJ “Slow Roller” for this cook?
    Yes. I don't have a Kamado Joe, but my understanding of that accessory is that I would use it. Do you have a heat deflector without using the Slow Roller? Just curious.

    4. Once I get the grill to 225, should I add the deflector plates and stainless grill grates (and Slow Roller) immediately and then let the temperature stabilize back to 225 before adding the meat? Or should I put the meat on right after adding the other items?

    You want to add all that WAY WAY WAY before the grill reaches 225.

    My process is this:

    1. Add all the lump and bury 3-4 chunks of wood in the lump in the bottom.
    2. Add *ONE* fire starter to the center, nestling down in the pile of lump.
    3. With lid open and bottom vent open, light the starter, and set a 15 minute timer on my phone.
    4. When the timer goes off, I go back, and assuming the charcoal is lit, I install my upper charcoal grate, my ceramic diffuser, and my cooking grate(s). I add my grate probe, and close the lid.
    5. Let run with top and bottom vents open until I hit about 150.
    6. Shut the vents down to about halfway, and wait for it to hit 200.
    7. Shut vents down to my normal upper/lower settings for 225, and let it creep up on it. I also go ahead and put the food on at this point.

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    • Nicolaus
      Nicolaus commented
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      The ambient probes were more toward the outer edges of the grate, but somehow I think they were still above the deflector plates.

      I do have separate deflector plates in addition to the Slow Roller.

    • Nicolaus
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      What are the two probes attached to the grill grate in the photo doing?

    • jfmorris
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      Nicolaus one probe is the ambient for my Thermoworks Smoke thermometer. The other is a probe from an old fan controller I have, and I was using the fan to maintain the cooker temperature. That old fan controller has no meat probe, so I have to use my Smoke to monitor things remotely.

    #32
    jfmorris, Should I place the wood chunks below all of the charcoal? Or should they be completely surrounded by charcoal?

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    • jfmorris
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      I bury mine under the lump, scattered at different distances from the center, where I light the charcoal.

    #33
    jfmorris is right on, and I think I addressed wood placement and when to put things on, etc. in a previous post. But, I think you need to relax. I believe you are overthinking this cook. If you can keep the dome temp between 225 and 300 you will be just fine and amazed at the results. What I like to say is everyone has their favorite way of cooking. They all work and get good results. There is no holy grail as to how to cook something, and that is particularly true of a Boston Butt. Just relax and have fun.

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      #34
      jfmorris, Given that I have already scored the fat cap, should I still place the fat cap face down on the grill tomorrow?

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        #35
        LA Pork Butt, Given that I have already scored the fat cap, can I place the fat cap face down on the grill tomorrow, or should I place it facing upward?

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          #36
          Since your cooker has the heat source coming from the bottom and not drafting over the top of the meat, place the fat cap down. Before I cooked on a Kamado I used to cook on an old bullet water smoker and always cooked with the fat cap down.

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            I second this advice!

          #37
          It looks as if I will have to abort my cook after all.

          Rain is in the forecast for this evening into tomorrow, and I don’t yet have anything covering the BJIII other than the grill cover. It doesn’t seem like a good idea to expose the metal parts of the grill to moisture.

          It would be great if someone would tell me to just go ahead and not to worry about any rain!

          I fully intend to get a gazebo, but I haven’t ordered one yet.

          I was rather excited to get started, but I had forgotten about this entirely. I’m rather deflated to say the least.

          Now I have to do something with the meat. Any ideas?
          Last edited by Nicolaus; February 21, 2024, 05:12 AM.

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            #38
            I haven't cooked in snow, but I did cook an overnight 1qt 17 degrees and the BGE didn’t miss a beat. They excel in cold weather. The only thing you might have to do is to keep the snow out of the top vent.

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              #39
              Originally posted by LA Pork Butt View Post
              I haven't cooked in snow, but I did cook an overnight 1qt 17 degrees and the BGE didn’t miss a beat. They excel in cold weather. The only thing you might have to do is to keep the snow out of the top vent.
              LA Pork Butt, I now realize that misread the forecast. Actually, it will be raining tonight into the next morning.

              I’m now thinking that I might be able to swing one of the deck umbrellas over the BJIII, as long as there is at least 5 feet of clearance. There might not be enough clearance, though.

              Or should I just go ahead regardless and not worry about any rain?
              Last edited by Nicolaus; February 21, 2024, 05:53 AM.

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                #40
                LA Pork Butt and jfmorris, I decided to go ahead despite the probability of rain. I put the meat on at 1:15 p.m. this afternoon.

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                • LA Pork Butt
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                  Let us know how great it turns out. We are invested in your success.

                • LA Pork Butt
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                  I unless you are planning to eat really late, midnight or so. Cook it at 275 and wrap it tight in double foil when it reaches 140 and take it to 200 internal.

                #41
                LA Pork Butt and jfmorris, I was aiming for the 12 to 14 hour cook time at 225 followed by 2 to 4 hours in the ice chest. I began the cook today at 1:15 p.m. I hope I didn’t somehow misunderstand LA Pork Butt’s instructions earlier in the thread!

                After 2 hours and 15 minutes on the grill, the internal temperatures on my 2 FireBoard meat probes are reading 97 and 98. Does that seem right in terms of my planning to pull the meat from the grill tomorrow sometime between 1:00 and 3:00 p.m.?

                Update: After 2 hours and 45 minutes at 225, the internal meat probes are both reading 107. Maybe I ended up placing both of the probes too close to the bone and I’m getting false dealings on them?
                Last edited by Nicolaus; February 21, 2024, 03:04 PM.

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                  #42
                  @225 you with you putting it on 1:15 pm after 14 hours it will 3:15am. The internal temp seems right. If you are not wrapping you will hit a stall around 160 and going through 180 will take about 6 hours. If you wrap you will cut the stall time half.

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                    #43
                    Nicolaus 107F after 2 hours 45 minutes sounds about right to me.

                    However, I am not sure what you are thinking on timing. This is a 12-14+ hour cook at 225. 8-10 hours at 275. Putting the meat on at 1:15pm means it will be done likely some time between 1 and 4 AM. Not PM for sure. Is that what you were planning on?

                    If you decide to speed the cook up by wrapping tightly in foil, don't do that until the meat reaches 170 and has plenty of bark. That will shave a couple of hours off the end of the cook.

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                      #44
                      LA Pork Butt and jfmorris, I now realize that I have added 12 hours (in my mind only) to the actual cook time! Hard to believe!!!

                      This is not what I was intending. My plan was to enjoy the results at 5:00 p.m. tomorrow.

                      Is there any way I could leave the meat on until 10:00 a.m. tomorrow?
                      Last edited by Nicolaus; February 21, 2024, 04:01 PM.

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                        #45
                        Tell me when you want to serve this and I will suggest what I Think might be the best plan of action. Also, give me your internal meat temp.

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