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    First time PBC'er - Cook Temp Assistance

    Hey all - First and foremost, thanks for the wealth of info here. You guys definitely put the AMAZING in amazingribs.com. If it wasn't for this place I don't think I'd be smoking at all.

    Starting smoking about a year ago, and went electric as my first smoker. Mainly because I had no idea what I was doing, and saw something that I could control with my phone and figured that'd make things easy for a rookie like me. Following most of Meathead's recipes here gave me decent results, and the family was happy, but I always felt like I could be doing better. Did some research and decided that I wanted to try the PBC as my next step in this adventure. Well, it came in Thursday, and I had my first cook on it yesterday (5.4 lb bone-in pork butt). To preface: It was a misty rain and cold - 38° when I lit up - at 10 AM yesterday morning in North Indiana.

    I followed the lighting instructions laid out by fzxdoc to the T and everything went off exactly like I was expecting it to. Hung the meat and got the temperature spike up to the 400-410 range (at this point I added a little weight to my new lid since I was worried about leakage - my wife was wondering what the heck her duck rock things from the garden were doing on top of the smoker...... ) and I got the slow but steady drop back down to the 290'ish range. I'd get bounces back into the low 300's, but it was hanging right around where it should. When it stayed around 295 I went out and added a little more weight (more ducks!) to the lid fearing that I might be running just a smidge too high and the temp dropped to 280. I was really pleased and couldn't believe how easy it had been up to this point.

    After a couple of hours I realized I was continuing to get a slow and steady temp drop. When I got down to 240-250 I went out, took the weight off of the lid and cracked it. We ran right back up to the low 300's over the course of several minutes, and I closed her down again. Did not add weight to the lid this time. Same as before, the temp slowly ran down to the 250 range. This time I let it go, figuring the weather was probably a factor, AND I was right in the middle of a Stranger Things episode so I waited a bit to check in on it again.

    By the time I got back outside the PBC was down to about 220, and the meat was just hitting 160. I took it off of the hooks, and put in the grate (did NOT wrap) thinking that pulling the rebar out should help it increase in temp. It did not. I cracked the lid again and could only get her up to 250 or so, and it would continue the slow drift down from there every time I closed it up. I tried rebar out, rebar in, lid cracked one way, the other way, lid all the way off, and I had zero luck getting the temp to increase. At this point (roughly 6 hours or so into the cook, pork butt was just starting to hit 170 in some areas) I decided to go ahead and wrap and the PBC dropped down into the 180 range in the time I had the lid open to wrap and barely got back up above 200 from that point on.

    I also received an emergency call from work and knew I'd be headed there in a few hours so I decided to take the wrapped meat and finish it in the oven. It was delicious by the way (better than any of my pork before on the electric), but unfortunately I didn't get any pics of the finished product because I had to leave. Pics attached are from the dry brine the night before, and the startup yesterday morning.

    Used the Kingsford Original, and the top coals in the chimney were just starting to get some ash on them when I added them to the basket. Bottom vent was cracked 1/4 per the PBC recommendations. What did I do wrong? Did my stall cause my PBC to stall? I hadn't been doing any wrapping up until yesterday and I'm curious if that's going to be required on the PBC going forward to keep temps up? Do you guys make any adjustments to the vent based on the outside environment (hot day, cold day, rain, snow, etc.)?

    Looking for ways to improve! Thanks all for your help! I've been trying to read as much of this PBC forum as I can to see if I could come across anyone else that's described the same problem, but haven't found it yet. I'm sure it's in here somewhere, so preemptive apologies if this is somewhat of a common occurrence.


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    #2
    Greetings BDCarp04 Welcome to the wonderful world of the PBC from a displaced Hoosier. I bet the charcoal absorbed a lot of the humidity/moisture in the air; therefore, not being able to burn at peak performance. I have found that w/ my PBC if I want to have my charcoal last for long cooks (like more than 4 hours) I have to use Spinaker's OCD charcoal method in the PBC charcoal basket. It's a tedious process, but the only way I can get my charcoal to last a long while. Plus, the great news is that you got your PBC just in time to smoke your turkey in it for Thanksgiving. Turkey w/ Simon & Garfunkel rub and butter injected into the breasts w/ some pecan wood to smoke w/ is absolutely marvelous in the PBC!

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      #3
      It could have been the cold temperature and the moisture coming off the pork. The pork butts have a lot of fat and moisture in them. 6 hours seems short for the PBC. Maybe you were a little light on coals.

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        #4
        I would try opening the vent a little more. My first attempt was similar to yours when my vent was at 1/4, I opened it closer to 1/3 and haven't had that happen again. It usually settles in around 280 and just runs...

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          #5
          Hi BDCarp04 , welcome to The Pit, and congrats on that great-tasting pork butt. That's the take-home message of your first PBC cook: no matter what, that little barrel turns out great food.

          I'm not certain that much of anything needs to be changed at this point. You had some damp cold weather going on for that cook. Since the learning curve for the PBC is pretty short, doing a second cook in nicer drier weather may tell you more about how it likes to run.

          One thing I've learned is not to fiddle too much with the pit temperature. I usually suspend two probes into the PBC for every cook and have found that the temperature from one side of the barrel to the other can vary by as much as 40 degrees or more, and that the average of the two readings is usually where I like to see the PBC run.

          I've also learned that, for my PBC, small leaks in the lid rim have a much greater effect on temperature at the beginning of the cook. Did you actually see smoke coming out at the rim, or were your wife's garden ducks (which I really like! ) placed on the lid just in case?

          Please let let us know how your next cook goes. Make sure your charcoal is stored so that it is not affected by humidity. I keep mine in big Rubbermaid bins in the garage.

          Have fun with that next cook and enjoy those pulled pork leftovers!

          Kathryn

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            #6
            Thanks for the warm welcome all!

            rototiller78 I will definitely look into the OCD coal basket. And you're absolutely correct about Thanksgiving! My plan is for smoked turkey(s) this year, but I wanted to get the PBC with enough lead time that I can get a few cooks in first to kind of find my groove.


            jecucolo I thought six was short for the cook as well based on everything I read ahead of time. I used one full, unopened 7.7lb bag of coals and took 40 out for the chimney. If anything I thought maybe I was a little heavy on the coals? You all would know better than me though.


            lemayp Thanks. I'll give that a try. In my third pic (with the chimney on the grate) if you look down through the barrel you can see my vent opening. Not the greatest view from that angle, but maybe I'll try to crack it a little more next time.


            fzxdoc The ducks worked perfectly for weight! Good to know about the large temperature variations. I tried moving my probe further away from the meat thinking that it was possibly giving me lower than expected readings but that didn't change much for me. As far as leaking goes, if my lid was leaking, it wasn't a lot. I had a bit of a breeze when I went out to check so what was coming out of the rebar holes on one side was coming back over the top of the lid. It was hard for me to tell (which is probably a good thing that it wasn't extremely obvious). I just knew I added some weight and the temp dropped 10° almost instantly and held there for a good while, so I thought it helped.


            I guess the running theme from all of your responses is that weather may be a bigger factor than I realized it would be. I guess that's what I get for my first experience with charcoal. Do you guys have any cold weather PBC tips I can use going forward? It's only going to get worse here weather-wise before it gets better and I'd hate to have to wait until spring to get some good, consistent cooks.

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              Welcome to the land of PBC's, you are going to love it and my wife wants to know where did you get the ducks?

            #7
            High humidity is a game changed on the PBC. Just need to let it run a little hotter.

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              #8
              Welcome fellow PBC cooker. I was having a lot of issues with temps being kind of hard to control, although you really don't control temps that much on the PBC. I also put a weight (not a duck) on my PBC and found the temps much more stable. After a couple of cooks doing this, I decided to put a gasket on the lid as others have done. Much more stable temps now. Really made a difference.

              About the weather, have only done one cold weather cook so don't have enough experience yet to draw any conclusions. What I have found though is that wind seems to really influence temps a lot. I have my PBC in the back where it is pretty well protected from the prevailing winds. When I have cooked with wind blowing on the cooker, it seems like the temps are really hard to keep up. I find myself constantly cracking the lid, or removing a rebar when possible in order to keep things cooking. So far wind is the weather factor that has caused me the greatest problem. Guess I will need to add some sort of enclosure back there at some point.

              Tim

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