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First PBC cook - Whole Chicken and smoked brats!

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    First PBC cook - Whole Chicken and smoked brats!

    Well, due to travel, my PBC has been sitting, unused, for two weeks. Drove me nuts! I smoked two, whole, 5 lb+ chickens on the turkey hangers, then smoked a couple dozen fresh brats and made bacon jam to go on them from another site. I don't know the rules on posting competing site URL's so I won't, but boy, was the bacon jam a hit! Google bacon jam, you'll find it.

    I didn't bother with pics, because, well, how many pics of food in the PBC do we really need at this point? But it went very well. In an attempt to use this "like an appliance", as Kathryn says, I followed Noah's instructions that came with the PBC to the letter just to get a baseline. Filled coal pan, counted out 40 into his smaller chimney, lit with 2 Weber cubes, let it go for 20 minutes, dumped on coals, then after just a few minutes for it to stabilize, rods in place, I hung the two chickens.

    It worked! As advertised! No internal cooker thermometer, I just let it do its thing. Used McCormick's Montreal Chicken Seasoning, sauced last 20 minutes with "Ogre Sauce" I found on Amazon, absolutely the best selling BBQ sauce with well over 1,500 reviews, 95% of them 5-stars. While it says it is good on anything, I think while it was awesome on this chicken, I would not use it on other stuff, but I got lucky, it is an excellent smoked chicken sauce--highly recommended!

    Lessons learned:

    I kind of knew this going in, but I just wanted my first cook to be "by the book". For chicken, I think you should definitely let the coals burn for quite a while to heat this thing up. You all know that, it's in many posts, I will next time, and I knew I was not likely to get really crispy skin, but, again, I just wanted my first flight to be by the book for a baseline. From that I learned that I can likely use this as an appliance for pork roasts, ribs, beef roasts, etcetera for low and slow, but low and slow is not best for chicken. I also think halving the chickens and using hooks would have been better than the turkey hanger, but I had the new toys, so I used them.

    I have the hinged grate and thought I could do sausage and chicken but no way you can hang two, 5 lb birds through that hole in the grate without them jammed together touching, and my sausages covered an entire grate besides. So while guests were eating the chicken, burgers and skirt steak others cooked, I smoked the brats for 20 minutes with a handful of hickory chips, then moved them to the gas grill to finish them quicker to get it to the table. I think for fresh brats it will likely take an hour to 1 1/2 hours to do them all on the PBC, but what a treat these were! I don't know what was more popular, people were raving about both the chicken and the smoked brats (partly because of the bacon jam, which was amazing, also).

    I think the chicken was done perfectly, but the lady who cut them up for me while I tended to the brats thought the legs were a little red and put them in the oven for a bit. I didn't see them before that, but knowing the breast was 165 on the nose when I pulled the birds, I'm sure it was fine, sometimes, as you know, when you cut through the bones you get a little red from them at the joints even though the meat was really done and it makes people nervous, so no harm in the extra roast, they were still moist and juicy. But the breasts were, perhaps, the juiciest chicken breasts I have ever had, and I've been grilling for 40 years. Very tasty birds, indeed. I will peruse other chicken posts, but I strongly suspect getting this sucker hot and hanging halves is likely the best way to go with fowl. Save the turkey hanger for, well, turkey.

    I am positive you can work with less coals if you do not overdo it. Others have advised against it, but holy smokes, those coals went a loooong time later, even with the lid off! Unless I'm aiming for an 8-10 hour cook where I'd follow Noah's instructions to the letter, I am quite sure you can fill the coal pan, take out at least a single layer of coals below level, and still counting out 40 for the chimney and get away with a couple big birds like this followed by a full hour of smoking sausages after, or a bunch of racks of back ribs, and still have plenty of fire left. I wouldn't take out more than a single layer, having a fire die on you with food in the cooker is a headache nobody wants, but a full pan of coals is overkill for some things.

    Summary:
    • Halve chickens when cooking, and hang them on hooks, I think it will cook better than whole birds.
    • HEAT THE THING UP FOR A WHILE BEFORE DOING CHICKEN WITH SKIN! It works as advertised, the chicken was tasty. But it would be better if you crank up the heat. For other cooks, follow the instructions.
    • You definitely can get away with a few less coals if you are careful about your fire prep.

    I'm looking forward to back ribs next!

    #2
    Congrats on a successful cook. and leaning from the cook is going to be very helpful in the future.

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      #3
      Great job and write up! Unfortunately it never happened.

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        #4
        I've got one of those ladies too!

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          #5
          Oh, it happened, all right, HawkerXP . For JCinPA to note how juicy the chicken breasts turned out (something that every single guest has commented on from the time I started serving them PBC chicken) proves it!

          A few thoughts, JCinPA ; first of all, read Meathead's article on why pink chicken meat at the bones is still safe to eat. In my experience, the more "organic" the chicken is, the pinker the meat at the bones when it temps "done". It's embarrassing to explain to guests that pink chicken meat at the bones is still safe to eat (they say, "Meathead who?"), so now I have come to find a few organic chicken producers who, for me, this redness does not happen as much.

          Secondly, rig yourself up a hanging sausage basket for the PBC. I always smoke sausage with chicken because I love the flavors that sausage drippings bring to the party. Although the sausages are done at 165°F, I usually take them to 185°F in the PBC for that wonderful bite of sausage skin without sacrificing juciness.

          And finally, don't hesitate to use PBC's AP rub that came with your PBC. It's awesome on chicken. I'm not a fan of the PBC Meat and Game rub, but that AP rub is outstanding. Here's my method for smoking chicken on the PBC to get crispy skin and good flavor with AP rub:



          Congrats on a great first cook on your PBC!

          Kathryn

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          • jlhilden
            jlhilden commented
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            Sometimes I think the fresher the fowl, the more the pink hangs on in the leg/thigh area; especially when the bird is big. I've cooked birds in the afternoon that laid eggs in the morning that have stayed pink in higher temps compared to a supermarket bought bird

          • fzxdoc
            fzxdoc commented
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            Good to know, jlhilden .

            K.

          #6
          I to needed to find a wat to use less coal and I came up with an al. divider, it is perfect for doing chicken 1/2's or rack of lamb
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          • jecucolo
            jecucolo commented
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            Where did you find the aluminum? I really like this mod.

          #7
          Interesting, very interesting.

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            #8
            I made my first PBC brisket yesterday and while I expected it to cook faster and be good, I never expected it to be the best dang brisket I have ever eaten anywhere period! I love the chicken and ribs but the brisket results where beyond belief. 16 plus pound whole prime packer took only 9 hours to reach perfection. I truly think that was the best cook in my lifetime both past and future. I hope I can duplicate it but realistically I don't think that kind of result happens very often. I'm still in disbelief to be honest. Needless to say the mopping sauce was never touched.

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            • fzxdoc
              fzxdoc commented
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              That's great, Butchman . I bet that brisket didn't last too long.

              K.

            #9
            Cool. Very Cool!

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              #10
              fzxdoc lol, yes, it happened! You're right, these were the juiciest chicken breasts EVAH! I usually do take pics of my cooks, I was just being lazy, and fiddling with trays, hooks, gloves, and whatnot, and it was just inconvenient to get to my phone. I need to build a side table for the grill area, then I'll get pics. And by the way, I'm very familiar with your points about red near the bones, but I've found that if people look at it funny, they're nervous, and if it makes them feel better to zap it a little longer, I just go with the flow rather than try to educate them. Even if they get the explanation, many are still afraid of it, and my chicken carver was 65 and raised 7 kids -- so I wasn't going to "teach" her anything.

              Also thanks for your fire lighting thread, now that I did the first flight with this thing, I'll use your instructions next. And the rub recommendation, I forgot I had it, frankly.

              Brewmaster That divider is cool! It occurred to me after my post that the time of the cook will likely be affected by the depth of the coals as well as the volume, so maybe it is better to do it your way and have the same height for the coal stack. How do you find the temperatures to be with that thing? Are you still lighting 40 or less? Details, please, inquiring minds want to know!

              -John

              P.S. I'm also going to go back and peruse your "hot" chicken thread. My guess is this thing is a chicken cooking revolution. Aside from skin not quite crisp enough, it was simply outstanding!

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              • Brewmaster
                Brewmaster commented
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                I found that the temps were pretty much the same due to the depth of the coals and I lit about 25 coals a little over 1/2 of a normal basket, it has been more than enough to do a whole chicken cut in half and I have done 2 racks of ribs, let me know if you want dimensions

              • JCinPA
                JCinPA commented
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                Thanks!

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