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    Still Running Hot

    Well, just finished my third cook and to be honest, I feel like I'm running a COS. My PBC just can't maintain a temperature range unless it is in the high 300's low 400's After the discussion last night, it was recommended that I only use 20 briquettes in the chiminy. I followed the procedure as instructed and after hanging the meat, this is what went on. Oh, I was cooking two racks of beef back ribs.

    Once the meat was hung and the lid placed, the temp held at 180, most likely because only 20 coals were fired. I opened the lid and let the fire breath. When the temp with the lid off started to rise above 225, I placed the lid back on, and the temp dropped a few degrees and settled. Took the lid back off and let the temp
    rise above 260 before placing the lid back on. The temp stayed at 265 so I let it be. This process took about 20 minutes.

    After 10 minutes at 265-270, the temp started to climb and when it reached 310, i plugged the rebar holds with foil. Soon the temp settled to 280 and then fluctuated between 270 and 290 for the next hour; so now I'm just over 1.5 hours into the cook. Great, now I can leave and start the sauce with thermometer remote in hand.

    About 15 minutes after I leave the PBC, the temp starts to take off again. I literally saw the temp at 285, looked away for a few seconds, and it was at 325. By the time I go outside, the temp had leveled off at about 360.

    I had not opened the lid since I had to raise the temp at the beginning of the cook, but since I was about 2 hours into the cook, I wanted to check the ribs. Big mistake. The temp shot up to over 400. I re-opened the lid, removed the ribs and finished in the oven.

    Since the cook was done and the PBC still hot, while waiting for the ribs to finish in the oven, I went back out and ensured there was little to no gap around the rebars and closed the bottom vent, the temp stayed above 400 for over an hour before I gave up and dumped the coals.

    Am I missing something? Because right now, I see no advantage of using the PBC for any more cooks. Between my COS and gasser, I can get the same results or better with the same or less effort and a lot less fuel. I'll keep at it but the thrill is disappearing quickly.

    #2
    too much fuel. cut back on the brickettes, how many did you use?

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      #3
      Originally posted by texastweeter View Post
      too much fuel. cut back on the brickettes, how many did you use?
      About level with the top of the basket. I would say I was a bit below then above the level of the rim. Almost half of a 15. Lb bag. I will use less fuel next time

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        #4
        I'm thinking to much fuel also. Check with Kathryn's instructions. It has worked spot on every time for me. Oh, Kathryn is fzxdoc by the way.

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        • jlhilden
          jlhilden commented
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          For my first cook, I follwed her instructionse exactly - at least I believe I did. From watching the videos and comparing, I would say I was more on the light side rather then too much. No matter how much fuel I believe I used, I'm taking Tex's and your suggestion as the next step to take.

        • FireMan
          FireMan commented
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          @jhilden, I think that extra e is what did it.

        #5
        count them out and do a dry run. Until you learn your cooker, you need to be precise so you can adjust.

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        • jlhilden
          jlhilden commented
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          I'm assuming 120 should be what I should start out with.

        #6
        I've done my cooks both with Noah's video(when I first got the PBC) and with https://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/member/294-fzxdoc. I use Kathryn's all the time now and I believe that I get better results. Having said that I agree that there were probably too many coals for the amount of meat that you were cooking. When cooking I generally have at least 4 ribs and two half chickens. The PBC works better with a heavier load, that's probably why they ship 8 hooks. Also the 30-40 are taken from the basket, not in addition to. Above all, remember that this is a work in progress. You'll get it locked in as we all did.

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          #7
          A dry run on the PBC is useless. The drippings are part of the temperature regulation.
          Keep in mind that a PBC is neither a grill nor smoker. It's a power cooker
          Fighting it to run a certain temp range is just unnecessary stress on yourself. Let it cook
          Try starting your fire with the weber mini chimney, don't let it run uncovered for too long during start up.
          Otherwise, let it cook where ever it wants to cook on that day

          Another way don't fill the charcoal basket.

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            #8
            Keep in mind too, there's really no need to use a full basket for short cooks. As long as it's not packed, any cook less than 5 hours can be cooked with half a basket.
            I used to PBC a chicken with just a chimney worth.

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              #9
              Ok, I really want one of those PK grills and the WSGMC But after what Ernest just said im thinking of the PBC. Jeepers.

              Sweet Bajeebers.... 7lbs of coal? I get 3 times as many cooks from an 18lbs of KBB. You were seriously cooking (I know not the PBC) with heat.

              My my best suggestion is throw on some chicken when your finished with the ribs.

              practice and patience. You will get it.

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                #10
                If the lid is snug and not leaking and the bottom vent is set right for your altitude there should be no issues. Maybe your letting the fire burn too long before you hang the meat and place the lid. I use kbb and always start with lighter fluid and have never bothered with checking the PBC temp, if anything, it's not hot enough and I have to crack the lid after about an hour to increase the heat.

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                  #11
                  Thanks for the replies and suggestions. I will take all that was said into consideration.

                  As for the lid, it's been said that it has to be snug and that it can take time for it to seal properly. To me, it is nowhere near snug with a lot of play. Is this normal? This is after I plugged all the rebar holes with foil and it still chugged along at 400. I'm sitting at 430 feet above sea level and the bottom picture shows the vent position when I took the top photo.



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                  • Obi-Dan
                    Obi-Dan commented
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                    I've never seen smoke like that come out of mine. Contact Noah or Amber at PBC. They always respond and might be able to make
                    some suggestions. Maybe you need a new lid.

                  • Ernest
                    Ernest commented
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                    That's a lot of smoke!! Your lid got the hibby jibbies

                  • phoccer
                    phoccer commented
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                    Agree with others, something isn't right with that lid. I get smoke rolling out of mine at the start but it's all through the rebar holes with a few wisps coming from around my lid.

                  #12
                  I only crack the lid, using a small stick, when trying to get the temps higher. Taking the top totally off gives the fire to big a gulp of air that it overshoots what your looking for. In the begining I used a couple of bricks on my lid and this helped with sealing until it built up a nice black coating. Do as HouseHomey suggests. Patience. Nothing good happens fast when cooking.

                  There is another post running in "Todays Posts", Rookie Trouble. Take a look at that one. As you will see there is a learning process to using any cooker and multipal people have found multipal ways to get good results.
                  Last edited by HawkerXP; August 23, 2017, 07:22 AM.

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                    #13
                    It's not too much fuel, that would only affect how long it runs for if it is all working as it should. If you have a short cook, use less fuel if you want to, but not for temperature stability.

                    I fought temps on my PBC for a long time. I understand where others are coming from when they tell you to just let it do its thing, because their lids fit either from the get-go or with gunk build-up. But that didn't help me, even after two years the temps would still swing pretty large. And the temps you are seeing are too high for the PBC - that's not how it is supposed to run. Even the PBC team, as great as they were, couldn't help me because they believe the lids all fit the barrels correctly, and mine just didn't.

                    I tried the common solutions - foiling rebar holes, tapping the lid with a rubber mallet, twisting the lid until I saw the smoke decrease, foiling around the top, checking the barrel for roundness, even cooking with two large concrete blocks on top of the lid. The last one made things better, but I still had to adjust things which was a big pain with the blocks on top.

                    In the end, I got a gasket from bbqgaskets.com - send them an email and they'll point you to the right product. It is now like I'm learning this cooker for the first time, and things are as easy as everyone says. I'm having to adjust my lighting procedure because my temps are now too low, since I had to compensate for the lid leaking before. The last pork butt I did, I made no adjustments and it cruised along all day. It was amazing, and striking to me how different of a cook it was than what I've been used to.

                    Hopefully you get it figured out, I know the feeling when you can't get the same results as everyone else on a supposedly foolproof and much hyped smoker.

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                      #14
                      Send the picture and description to Pit Barrel and they will correct for you. My guess is the lid has something wrapped on it and letting the air to flow thru especially by your picture

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                        #15
                        Update: Pictures sent and a new lid will be recieved.

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                        • Mr. Bones
                          Mr. Bones commented
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                          Rock n' Roll!
                          Glad fer ya', an' Big Shout Out to PBC!!!
                          Note: I don't own one, but fully believe in givin' due respect, appreciation, an' spreadin' th' word, fer that kinda Customer Service!!!

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