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  • Rick Triviski
    Former Member
    • May 2020
    • 2

    Smoker / Grill v. Grill & Smoker

    I am a relative newbit to smoking.

    I have had a charcoal and electric vertical, off-brand smoker and Weber grill.

    I am recently divorced, left all behind and have my baby girls this weekend. It's been 3 years, but with the virus, I thought it would be fun to smoke / grill something for a meal(s).

    I am certainly not rich, but am very interested in a unit that can do both with these factors:

    1. I'm looking to stay in 3 figures
    2. I want to make some quick burgers / dogs
    3. But want to long-smoke a brisket or ribs
    4. Please don't brow beat me, but also don't want to spend a lot of time working with temp adjustments, re-fueling, etc.

    I've heard great things, but don't understand if Treaeger is the solution to the above?

    This is insane with regards to timing, but I have my girls this weekend and any assistance would be super appreciated.

    BTW - the pork rub recipe on this site is the absolute bomb.

    This is the first time I've posted anything, so I guess I have to figure that out. If I do, I will respond.

    Thanks in advance to you all. And sorry for being an idiot here.

    Be safe. Be healthy.

    Rick
    Last edited by Rick Triviski; May 14, 2020, 07:41 PM.
  • Oakgrovebacon
    Club Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 1979
    • South central Illinois

    #2
    Welcome to the pit from Southern Illinois! Yes a pellet grill would fit what you are asking for.

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    • Donw
      Club Member
      • Jul 2017
      • 3391

      #3
      A pellet will do the trick and give you more time with your children as it is close to set and forget. However a kettle with an SnS, or something like a PK 360 will also work. Once you get the hang of either of the last two you can maintain pretty steady temperatures also, but there will be a learning curve getting your vents and fuel right. I have a pellet and use it often. There are other options but just trying to keep it in your 3 figure range.

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      • MBMorgan
        Club Member
        • Sep 2015
        • 6431
        • Colorado
        • > Weber Genesis EP-330
          > Grilla Grills Original Grilla (OG) pellet smoker
          > Pit Barrel Cooker (gone to a new home)
          > WeberQ 2000 (on "loan" to a relative)
          > Old Smokey Electric (for chickens mostly - when it's too nasty out
          to fiddle with a more capable cooker)
          > Luhr Jensen Little Chief Electric - Top Loader circa 1990 (smoked fish & jerky)
          > Thermoworks Smoke
          > 3 Thermoworks Chef Alarms
          > Thermoworks Thermapen
          > Thermoworks IR-GUN-S
          > Anova sous vide circulator
          > Searzall torch
          > BBQ Guru Rib Ring

        #4
        Welcome from Colorado ... and be sure to check out these guys: https://grillagrills.com/

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        • mcook2201
          Club Member
          • Aug 2019
          • 235
          • Mooresville, North Carolina

          #5
          Greetings from North Carolina, I will second the pellet grill for what you are seeking.

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          • jumbo7676
            Club Member
            • Jun 2018
            • 319
            • Centreville, VA
            • GMG Daniel Boone

              Weber Spirit E-310
              GrillGrates

              Weber Performer Premium 22"
              Vortex
              Slow 'N Sear 2.0
              Drip 'N Griddle Deluxe
              EasySpin Grate
              Cajun Bandit Rotisserie

              Weber 26" Kettle
              XL Slow 'N Sear

              FireBoard
              Maverick XR-50
              Thermoworks Thermapen

              Instant Pot Accu Slim Sous Vide Circulator

            #6
            A Weber Kettle with a Slow n Sear would be another good option, though I don't think you'd have the slow n sear in time for this weekend. You could always grill on the kettle now and add that later for smoking. I would say the time adjusting temps and isn't much and refueling would probably be limited to once for really long cooks, but it still takes a bit more than dialing in a number on a pellet grill.

            I have this setup as well as a pellet grill and am happy with both. If you like a stronger smoke flavor, I'd lean towards the kettle so you can use charcoal with wood chunks. Cooking pellets burn so cleanly that they produce a milder smoke profile. And when it comes to grilling, the kettle definitely wins. You can't get a great sear on a pellet grill. But the pellet grill is as close to "set it and forget it" as I think you'll find.

            The new Masterbuilt Gravity Series might be a great compromise between the two, but it is new and I have no experience with it or know how readily available it is to grab for the weekend. https://www.masterbuilt.com/products...l-grill-smoker

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          • RonB
            Club Member
            • Apr 2016
            • 13313
            • Near Richmond VA
            • Weber Performer Deluxe
              SNS
              Pizza insert
              Rotisserie
              Smokenator 1000
              Cookshack Smokette Elite
              2 Thermapens
              Chefalarm
              Dot
              lots of probes.
              CyberQ

            #7
            Welcome to The Pit Rick.Yes, a pellet grill will do what you want, but a regular ole Weber kettle will also do it and grillin' will be better on a Kettle IMHO. A Kettle with a Slow N Sear works great for smoking and is almost set and forget. And you can get around 8 hours from a loaded SnS in the Kettle. You can get the Kettle, SnS, charcoal chimney, and a leave in thermometer for well under $500. And there are a ton of accessories available for the Kettle for when you feel like expanding your menus.

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          • FireMan
            Charter Member
            • Jul 2015
            • 8061
            • Bottom of Winnebago

            #8
            Yup with the kettle & SnS. With wee ones burgers & dogs will probably be the fav. The smoke will be for you & you will do just fine with the SnS. Plus, you will be able to nail a steak fer yerself & maybe a friend with the sear you can get with the SnS. Kettle is the most versatile unit & best for grillin.

            Plus, after further review, no cords, electricity, graphs, computer read outs. Simplicity, Fire & grub. You want to complicate things you can, up to you.
            Last edited by FireMan; May 15, 2020, 09:36 AM.

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            • Jfrosty27
              Club Member
              • Mar 2020
              • 1186
              • Muskego, WI
              • Current cookers:
                Rec Tec RT700 "Bull" pellet cooker
                Smokin-It model 2 electric smoker w/ Maverick 732 temp monitor and cold smoking kit
                Weber Genesis 3 burner gas grill w/ rotisserie
                Charbroil Grill2Go gas grill
                Weber 22" Performer Deluxe kettle grill w/ThermoPro TP-20S temp monitor
                Weber Smokey Joe
                SnS Deluxe
                Vortex
                The Orion Cooker convection cooker/smoker (two of them)
                Blackstone 17" griddle
                Joule Sous Vide circulator

                Favorite beer: Anything that's cold!
                Favorite cocktail: Bourbon neat

              #9
              I recommend a pellet grill. Treager, Grills, Rec Tec, many other choices. Depends on your willingness to wait for delivery. Treager is available for pick up just about any city in USA. Set and forget. Easy peasy.

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              • Mr. Bones
                Charter Member
                • Sep 2016
                • 9843
                • Kansas Territory
                • Grills / Smokers
                  *********************************************

                  Kingsford 24" grill (Free) 'Billy'
                  Brinkmann Smoke n Grill
                  Oklahoma Joe Highland, gaskets, LavaLock baffle / tuning plate. 'Big Joe'
                  Weber 18" Kettle ($30 CL) 'Lil' Feller'
                  Weber Smokey Joe ($25 CL) 'Lil' Brother'
                  Weber 22.5 Master Touch '93 P Code Blue($85) from fellow WKC member Bmitch 'Elwood'
                  Weber 22.5 Bar-B-Q Kettle '69-'70 "Patent Pending" Red ($80) from fellow WKC member dwnthehatch 'Maureen'
                  Weber 22.5 OTS DD Code Black ($40 CL) 'DeeDee'
                  Weber 22.5 OTS DO Code Black ($15 CL)
                  Weber 22.5 OTS E Code Black ($20 CL
                  Weber 22.5 OTS EE Code Black ($20 CL

                  Weber "C" Code 18.5" WSM '81 ($50 CL) 8-0!!!
                  Weber "H" Code 18.5" WSM '86 ($75 CL)
                  Weber " " Code 18.5" WSM

                  Weber 26.75, $199 NFM clearance !!!
                  Weber SJS AH 'Lil' Brother'
                  Weber SJS AT 'Lil' Sister'
                  Weber SJS DE Code (FREE) 'Lil' Helper'
                  Weber SJG M Code 'Lil Traveller'
                  Weber SJS AH Code 'Kermit'
                  (Lime Green)
                  Horizon 20" Classic, w/baffle/tuning plate (FREE)
                  Good One Open Range, (FREE), Monthly Prize from AR giveaway!!!!



                  Thermometers:
                  *********************************************
                  Ol' Skool Bi-metal probe pocket thermo, that has checked / served ~ 1,000,000 meals in my possession, easily...
                  Maverick ET-732, (Black)
                  Thermopops, (Red, Yellow, Green)
                  ThermaPen Mk4 (Black), THANKS!!! to jgjeske1
                  Blue ThermaPen Mk4
                  Orange Thermapen Mk4
                  Pink Thermapen Mk4
                  ThermoWorks IR-GUN-S
                  ThermoWorks Smoke
                  ThermoWorks Open Box Smoke
                  4 Pro Series cable extensions
                  Smoke Gateway

                  Accessories:
                  *********************************************
                  2 Slow 'N Sears, Slow 'N Sear XL, Grill 'N Griddle
                  BBQ Vortex, 2 Hovergrills, Top Deck
                  Warming shelf
                  MyWeigh KD-8000Kitchen Scale
                  Backyard Grill marinade injector
                  Acoustic Guitars/Electric Guitars/Basses/1928 National Duolian/Harmonicas/Banjo Washboard, Spoons, kazoos, pocket comb with wax paper, egg shakers ;-)
                  Bear Paws
                  Meat Rakes
                  BBQ Dragon/Chimley of Insanity, Dragon Wing Shelves (x2 ea.)



                  Cookware:
                  Probably a ton of cast iron, mostly very old...still cookin'
                  G'Ma's Piqua skillet, :-)( They went out of business in 1934~)
                  '60's Revere Ware (Mom's), + others found elsewhere
                  60's CorningWare 10-cup percolator (Mom's) Daily driver
                  50's CorningWare 10-cup percolator (G'Ma's), for a backup! ;-)
                  Carpy Wally World stock pots, in approx 2 gal/3gal sizes, blue speckledty-porcelain enameled
                  Tramontina 6.5 qt Dutch Oven

                  Cutlery, etc.:
                  Shi*-ton of kitchen/chef knives, most sharper than my straight-razors are. (Better steel!) Chicago Cutlery, Old Hickory, various, including some nice German stuff ;-)
                  Dexter 12" slicing knife, 6" Sani-Safe boning knife
                  Smith's Tri-Hone Natural Arkansas Knife Sharpening System
                  Multiple steels, from all over the planet
                  Crock sticks
                  Diamond stones, various
                  Lansky Sharpening System

                  Tableware
                  Daily driver:Washington Forge Mardi Gras, Navy / Cobalt Blue
                  Dinner: Guests: Washington Forge, Town and Country
                  Fancy / Formal: Family silverware

                #10
                Howdy from Kansas Territory, Welcome to Th Pit!
                Lookin forward to learnin along with, an from ya!

                Nuthin I can add to improve on th above, previous stated. Git a kettle, an SnS, start from there. It'll save ya beauceau hunnert bucks, chasin a flavour yer jus not gonna git with a pellet cooker.

                Takes a lil bit more time, personal involvement, but th results are tastier...

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                • mountainsmoker
                  Banned Former Member
                  • Jun 2019
                  • 1849
                  • Bryson City, NC

                  #11
                  I strongly believe a Weber kettle with a SnS and a Fireboard and Pit Boss fan would be the best of all worlds. The kettle will let you grill a bunch of burgers and dogs or chicken. With the SnS and Pit Boss you can maintain any temperature you w'ant from 200-500. I believe that is the limit on the Fireboard cables I would have to look to double check.

                  I smoke everything with that set up. Let's just mention a few, bacon, chicken, all parts, fish, turkey, breast and whole up to about 18lbs., all pork cuts, lamb and to many beef cuts to mention, rib eye steaks and brisket being the two favorites, chuck substituting for brisket at times. Grilling steaks, hamburgers, fish, hot dogs, sausage, use your imagination.

                  If you want a table and your budget allows look at the Performer series.
                  Last edited by mountainsmoker; May 14, 2020, 10:18 PM.

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                  • Jared49
                    Club Member
                    • Oct 2016
                    • 184
                    • Appleton, WI
                    • WSM-18.5"-lid hinge, door upgrade, Hunsaker Rib hanger, Arbor Fab. Charcoal assembly & minion starter
                      Weber Kettle-SnS
                      Maverick ET-732
                      FireBoard/PitViper fan

                    #12
                    Lots of good advice so far. Here’s my 2 cents, get a Weber Performance & a18.5” WSM. Now you have all your bases covered and down the road you can start adding all the extras you need/want.

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                    • rickgregory
                      Founding Member
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 1000
                      • Seattle, WA

                      #13
                      So, pellet grills tend to not sear that well from what I understand. Smoke profile is lighter... but they're set and forget.

                      I have a 22" weber and bought the Slow N Sear (SNS) for it and I can dial in 250 pretty easily. Mostly I crank the bottom vents to about 1/4 open and top to about 1/2. YOu'll need tp play a bit but once you get it dialed in, its pretty stable.

                      The key, which I learned here, is to start with a few coals, get them fully lit, THEN pour in the rest, put wood on and cover and let it come to temp for 15 or so.

                      Either will really get you good results.

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                      • DavidNorcross
                        Club Member
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 2016
                        • Virginia
                        • SNS Kamado
                          Weber Summit S-670
                          Camp Chef FTG 600
                          Camp Chef Escape

                          Old Hickory Knives
                          More Cast Iron than I care to admit

                        #14
                        Welcome from Virginia! Gotta agree with everyone else here on the kettle. If you are looking for something that is more set and forget the Masterbuilt Gravity Feed has great reviews

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                        • fzxdoc
                          Founding Member
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 5318
                          • My toys:
                            Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center (WSCGC) aka Mr. Fancypants
                            Pit Barrel Cooker (which rocks)
                            Weber Summit S650 Gas Grill
                            Weber Kettle Premium 22"
                            Weber Jumbo Joe Premium 22" (a weird little 22" kettle mutant on 22"-long legs) (donated to local battered women's shelter.)
                            Camp Chef Somerset IV 4-burner outdoor gas range


                            Adrenaline BBQ Company's SnS, DnG and Large Charcoal Basket for WSCGC
                            Adrenaline BBQ Company's Elevated SS Rack for WSCGC
                            Adrenaline BBQ Company's SS Rack for DnG
                            Grill Grate for SnS
                            Grill Grates: five 17.375 sections (retired to storage)
                            Grill Grates: six 19.25 panels for exact fit for Summit S650 gasser
                            2 Grill Grate Griddles
                            Steelmade Griddle for Summit gas grill

                            Fireboard Extreme BBQ Thermometer Package
                            Fireboard control unit in addition to that in the Extreme BBQ Package
                            Additional Fireboard probes: Competition Probes 1" (3) and 4" (1), 3 additional Ambient Probes. 1 additional Food Probe
                            2 Fireboard Driver Cables
                            Pit Viper Fan (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
                            Pit Viper Fan new design (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
                            Thermoworks Thermapen MK5 (pink)
                            Thermoworks Thermapen MK4 (pink too)
                            Thermoworks Temp Test 2 Smart Thermometer
                            Thermoworks Extra Big and Loud Timer
                            Thermoworks Timestick Trio
                            Maverick ET 73 a little workhorse with limited range
                            Maverick ET 733
                            Maverick (Ivation) ET 732

                            Grill Pinz
                            Vortex (two of them)

                            Two Joule Sous Vide devices
                            VacMaster Pro 350 Vacuum Sealer
                            Instant Pot 6 Quart Electric Pressure Cooker
                            Instant Pot 10 Quart Electric Pressure Cooker
                            Charcoal Companion TurboQue
                            A-Maze-N tube 12 inch tube smoker accessory for use with pellets

                            BBQ Dragon and Dragon Chimney

                            Shun Classic 8" Chef's Knife
                            Shun Classic 6" Chef's Knife
                            Shun Classic Gokujo Boning and Fillet Knife
                            Shun Classic 3 1/2 inch Paring Knife

                          #15
                          If you want something for the weekend, a Weber Performer would be a great place to start. You could then order the SnS and the Vortex when you feel like branching out from the basics. The Performer is nice for its gas-assist charcoal lighting feature and the attached table, handy features to have. When you do get the SnS accessory for it, you'll be set for low and slow cooking that delivers awesome flavor and smoke profile. And finally for not much money you can add a Vortex and do some delicious crispy chicken wings.

                          Kathryn

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