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    Pushing the SnS for fun and knowledge

    I had and "extra" bone-in pork butt sitting in the fridge that I needed to use or lose, so I decided to experiment with an overnight, unwrapped cook using the SnS in the kettle. The butt was in the 7-8lb range, so I wasn't sure if I could get the 9+ hours I knew it would take without wrapping. These larger butts are why started wrapping to begin with, they take forever without it.

    I used the 12 briqs in the corner start-up method. Then I filled the rest of the SnS as full as possible with briqs. I removed briqs one by one until the grate was able to sit flush, however, since I don't close the hinged part of the grate unless I need to sear, I didn't take out enough of the charcoal for that to be able to close. I mixed in a few chunks of hickory and a few chunks of apple.

    Once the temp was up in the 250 range I put the butt on (i should mention that I also put a 2lb meatloaf on for the first 2 hours, which has its impact on the little experiment as well). I was up until about 12am, and during that time I made sure the temp stayed in the 240-260 range, it was pretty steady so i didn't have to fiddle with the lower vent too much. I stopped even touching my upper vent several cooks ago, I leave it at about 1/4.

    Fast forward to around 6am, when I cracked one eye open to see that the temp was in the mid 230s and the butt was up to 190 IT. It was going perfectly. Then around 6:45 I was awakened by the low temp alarm going off as the chamber dropped below 215. Somewhat surprisingly, the butt temp had also dropped to 186. I opened up the lower vent to give it one last burst, but there just wasn't enough left in the fire to raise the temp much.

    The IT kept dropping and I yanked it at 182. I immediately put the bear paws to work and the pull was not smooth and took more elbow grease than I prefer. It definitely isn't nearly as tender or juicy as the butts I wrap and get all the way up to 203, but it will serve well as a chili or some other concoction I think up. I must say that the bark was beautiful, dark and crunchy. Wrapping really does ruin that aspect.

    I wish I had more data about the temps during my 6 hours of snoring, but that will have to wait until my MCAS causes a Fireboard to get delivered. Anyway, I learned that I can get 225+ out of the SnS for about 9 hours, which is great first hand info for me to have for future cooks.

    #2
    My OCD method of filling the SnS along with the Party-Q got me 12 hours on one full load.

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    • kmhfive
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      Sweet!

    #3
    If you really want to push things try OCD placement method with B&B charcoal. I won't spoil it for you but the cook time at 225 F is over 12 hours.

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    • Gooner-que
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      I'm sure I could have gotten more than 12 hours at 225 F, the plus of the OCD is the grate sat flush even with the hickory chunks.

    #4
    Sounds like I'm gonna need a link to this OCD method.

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      #5
      I just place the briquettes very neatly in rows like the photo, I got 91 in along with the leftover coals from a chicken thigh cook and the 12 that I started in my chimney.
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      The photo is of my first OCD attempt, I didn't count how many for this one but the second was much more deliberate and full.

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      • Mr. Bones
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        Spinaker
        "Get up, come on get down with the sickness"

      • Spinaker
        Spinaker commented
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        Did you just reference Disturbed? Mr. Bones ?

      • Mr. Bones
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        Oh, Hail Yeah, Brother!!!
        I done did, whadidya say, reference 'em!!!

      #6
      Gooner-que
      Spinaker

      You guys are on to something with this OCD method, methinks.

      Kathryn

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        #7
        Spinaker was my inspiration for loading the SnS this way. My next version is going to see how much by weight I can fit in there.

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          #8
          I usually pile mine full enough that the grate sits cocked up, but it corrects itself as it burns down. I often get about 10hrs with regular KBB. Perhaps Nathaniel's OCD method would get this same burn time without the arched pile.... I just don't have the patience. (Reverse OCD?)

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          • fzxdoc
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            Maybe just hungry...

          • Spinaker
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            Or just sane.

          #9
          Originally posted by JPGators17 View Post
          I had and "extra" bone-in pork butt sitting in the fridge that I needed to use or lose, so I decided to experiment with an overnight, unwrapped cook using the SnS in the kettle. The butt was in the 7-8lb range, so I wasn't sure if I could get the 9+ hours I knew it would take without wrapping. These larger butts are why started wrapping to begin with, they take forever without it.

          I used the 12 briqs in the corner start-up method. Then I filled the rest of the SnS as full as possible with briqs. I removed briqs one by one until the grate was able to sit flush, however, since I don't close the hinged part of the grate unless I need to sear, I didn't take out enough of the charcoal for that to be able to close. I mixed in a few chunks of hickory and a few chunks of apple.

          Once the temp was up in the 250 range I put the butt on (i should mention that I also put a 2lb meatloaf on for the first 2 hours, which has its impact on the little experiment as well). I was up until about 12am, and during that time I made sure the temp stayed in the 240-260 range, it was pretty steady so i didn't have to fiddle with the lower vent too much. I stopped even touching my upper vent several cooks ago, I leave it at about 1/4.

          Fast forward to around 6am, when I cracked one eye open to see that the temp was in the mid 230s and the butt was up to 190 IT. It was going perfectly. Then around 6:45 I was awakened by the low temp alarm going off as the chamber dropped below 215. Somewhat surprisingly, the butt temp had also dropped to 186. I opened up the lower vent to give it one last burst, but there just wasn't enough left in the fire to raise the temp much.

          The IT kept dropping and I yanked it at 182. I immediately put the bear paws to work and the pull was not smooth and took more elbow grease than I prefer. It definitely isn't nearly as tender or juicy as the butts I wrap and get all the way up to 203, but it will serve well as a chili or some other concoction I think up. I must say that the bark was beautiful, dark and crunchy. Wrapping really does ruin that aspect.

          I wish I had more data about the temps during my 6 hours of snoring, but that will have to wait until my MCAS causes a Fireboard to get delivered. Anyway, I learned that I can get 225+ out of the SnS for about 9 hours, which is great first hand info for me to have for future cooks.
          I have had similar experiences in the past. What has made a world of difference for me is wrapping the pork butt and resting it in a faux cambro unit for an hour or two. The first time my pulling/shredding experience was identical to yours. Every time after I was abke to pull the meat apart by hand. Give it a try next time and let us know if it makes a difference.

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            #10
            When y'all quote the long burn times, are these "didn't touch it at all" times or did you still have to knock off ash? I'm still learning on the SNS (Plus) but on the few long cooks I've done I've had to de-ash around 4-5 hours in due to dropping Temps using KBB. Not a huge deal, but enough to prevent me from using it overnight. Any tips to minimize this?

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              #11
              Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
              When y'all quote the long burn times, are these "didn't touch it at all" times or did you still have to knock off ash? I'm still learning on the SNS (Plus) but on the few long cooks I've done I've had to de-ash around 4-5 hours in due to dropping Temps using KBB. Not a huge deal, but enough to prevent me from using it overnight. Any tips to minimize this?
              I had this same issue on my first SNS Plus cook, and in addition toMillerTime's question, how do people recommend "stirring" the ash to drain the SNS, without getting ash dust all over the meat?

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                #12
                I didn't touch mine at all, I was at work for the entire cook. There was adult supervision of the grill so no risk of burning the neighborhood down. I did use Kingsford Pro not KBB for this cook.

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                  #13
                  What is the OCD method?

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                    #14
                    Originally posted by jgreen View Post
                    What is the OCD method?
                    It is my crazy method for loading the PBC basket. Two rings of stacked charcoal, in two layers. Then I fill the middle will lose charcoal, remove them and use that to measure how much coal to light. Then i light them and dump them into the middle. I find that I can get longer burn times. Some people are using it for the SNS as well. Although I have yet to try it on the SNS, it works great in the PBC.
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                    • jgreen
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                      Cool. Thanks. I don't have a PBC but may try in the slow n sear.

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