anyone ever done an artisan turkey rather than grocery store/factory raised? Is it worth it?
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I would think you would have to use Artisanal wood to have a true Artisanal Turkey. As Jerod Broussard has posted some where before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI
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Cookbooks to check out - Raichlen's "Brisket Chronicles" and anything by Adam Perry Lang.
Current fanboy cookbook - "Chasing Smoke: Cooking Over Fire Around the Levant"
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Eric's Brisket Method
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Stacy's Bouef Bourguignon
Eric's Smoked Texas Chili
Rancho Gordo Beans and Bean Club
Troutman's Ribs - Step By Step Primer
Grilled Pork Chops: Harissa Marinade
Light My (Hasty Bake) Fire
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Lol, Sorry ecowper, I have not done any heritage breeds but seems to me that Kathryn fzxdoc had done it for thanksgiving, maybe she will chime in if memory serves me right.Last edited by Powersmoke_80; October 23, 2017, 07:43 AM.
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Amazing Ribs Brazilian Steak knife set
Favorite wine = whatever is currently in the wine rack
Favorite beer = Sam Adams Boston Lager or Shiner Bock
Favorite whisky = Lagavulin Distiller's Edition 16 year old single malt
Best Cookbooks - Meathead's "The Science of Great Barbecue and Grilling", Chris Lilly's "Big Bob Gibson's BBQ Book", Aaron Franklin's "Franklin BBQ"
Cookbooks to check out - Raichlen's "Brisket Chronicles" and anything by Adam Perry Lang.
Current fanboy cookbook - "Chasing Smoke: Cooking Over Fire Around the Levant"
Some Posts in Pitmaster to check out:
Eric's Brisket Method
Eric's Method for Drunken Texas Beans
Stacy's Bouef Bourguignon
Eric's Smoked Texas Chili
Rancho Gordo Beans and Bean Club
Troutman's Ribs - Step By Step Primer
Grilled Pork Chops: Harissa Marinade
Light My (Hasty Bake) Fire
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And now that I’ve been doing the research, it turns out the proper term is Heritage Turkey. These are breeds prior to the standard supermarket bird we buy now. The standard bird today was created in the 1950’s through a lot of cross breeding. These birds have huge breasts, very skinny legs, can barely walk and cannot breed without artificial insemination.
Heritage birds have smaller breasts, larger legs, mate naturally, are generally free range. Supermarket birds have less than 2% fat in the breasts, where heritage breeds are in the 5-10 percent range for fat in the breasts. In general, in blind taste tests everyone prefers heritage birds to supermarket birds.
But I’m hoping to hear from folks in the Pit that have cooked heritage breeds and have thoughts on whether they are worth it, or not.
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At first I was like "What the heck is an artisanal turkey?" Is it like the elephant at the zoo that paints? Also reminded me of that commercial making fun of artisanal pickles. Heritage turkeys I am more familiar with. What breed are you looking for. I have used bourbon reds the last two years and have been the best yet. A MILLION times better than the broad brested whites that you get at the grocery store. MUCH more moist and flavorfull.
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Pizza = Blackstone Propane Pizza Oven (Stacy's, but she let's me use it sometimes)
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Thermometer = FireBoard FBX2 with 2 ambient and 6 meat probes
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Wusthof Classic Ikon set: 9" carving knive, 2X 8" Chef's Knife, 7" Santoku and three utility knives
Kamikoto Kuro set: 7" Santoku, 6.5" Nakiri, 5" Utility
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Favorite wine = whatever is currently in the wine rack
Favorite beer = Sam Adams Boston Lager or Shiner Bock
Favorite whisky = Lagavulin Distiller's Edition 16 year old single malt
Best Cookbooks - Meathead's "The Science of Great Barbecue and Grilling", Chris Lilly's "Big Bob Gibson's BBQ Book", Aaron Franklin's "Franklin BBQ"
Cookbooks to check out - Raichlen's "Brisket Chronicles" and anything by Adam Perry Lang.
Current fanboy cookbook - "Chasing Smoke: Cooking Over Fire Around the Levant"
Some Posts in Pitmaster to check out:
Eric's Brisket Method
Eric's Method for Drunken Texas Beans
Stacy's Bouef Bourguignon
Eric's Smoked Texas Chili
Rancho Gordo Beans and Bean Club
Troutman's Ribs - Step By Step Primer
Grilled Pork Chops: Harissa Marinade
Light My (Hasty Bake) Fire
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texastweeter I am pretty darn good at cooking the factory raised Broad Breasted White like you get in the grocery store. I know, literally, nothing about heritage turkeys, whether how to cook them or which breeds are best. I know a lot about chickens (we raise our own) and what makes for good chicken and eggs.
SOOOOOOO anything that you care to share would be helpful. Until last year, we always did Thanksgiving at my in-laws. My mother-in-law passed away this year and now we are moving Thanksgiving to our house. Naturally, I am elected to do the turkey, stuffing and gravy. I want it to be a great thing for my father-in-law.
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I did have what amounted to a free range heritage turkey that was custom smoked in a local butcher shop a couple of years ago. Perhaps one of the best I’ve ever had. Would be interested in finding some info as well. I’m all about air chilled free range chickens, similar turkeys would peak my interest.
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Smoke = Weber Smokey Mountain 22.5"
Pizza = Blackstone Propane Pizza Oven (Stacy's, but she let's me use it sometimes)
Indoor Cooking = LG Studio 30" gas range
Camp Cooking = Coleman 2 burner white gas stove
Thermometer = FireBoard FBX2 with 2 ambient and 6 meat probes
Thermapen Mk IV = Light blue
Thermapen Mk IV = Black
PID Controller = Fireboard Drive + Auber 20 CFM Fan (FB gen 1 fan)
PID Controller = Fireboard Drive + Fireboard 20 CFM Fan (FB gen 2 fan)
Knives
Wusthof Classic Ikon set: 9" carving knive, 2X 8" Chef's Knife, 7" Santoku and three utility knives
Kamikoto Kuro set: 7" Santoku, 6.5" Nakiri, 5" Utility
Amazing Ribs Brazilian Steak knife set
Favorite wine = whatever is currently in the wine rack
Favorite beer = Sam Adams Boston Lager or Shiner Bock
Favorite whisky = Lagavulin Distiller's Edition 16 year old single malt
Best Cookbooks - Meathead's "The Science of Great Barbecue and Grilling", Chris Lilly's "Big Bob Gibson's BBQ Book", Aaron Franklin's "Franklin BBQ"
Cookbooks to check out - Raichlen's "Brisket Chronicles" and anything by Adam Perry Lang.
Current fanboy cookbook - "Chasing Smoke: Cooking Over Fire Around the Levant"
Some Posts in Pitmaster to check out:
Eric's Brisket Method
Eric's Method for Drunken Texas Beans
Stacy's Bouef Bourguignon
Eric's Smoked Texas Chili
Rancho Gordo Beans and Bean Club
Troutman's Ribs - Step By Step Primer
Grilled Pork Chops: Harissa Marinade
Light My (Hasty Bake) Fire
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texastweeter ..... for the typical turkey I do the following:
1. Spatchcock
2. Dry brine for 24 hours with salt under the skin and on the skin
3. Wet rub with Simon & Garfunkel and olive oil
4. I cook my gravy underneath the turkey
5. I do not inject
6. I cook on the WSM at 325-350 and I use a fruit wood. This year I happen to have dried cane from pruning a dwarf apple tree and 2 grape vines, which I plan to use for smoke.
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That is perfact eco, I was going to suggest if you inject to dial back the broth strength a bit as the birds have a much stonger flavor of their own, and use a traditional herbal rub like S&G. I use pecan, but I bet the grapevinw will be GREAT, and in the absence of pecan, fruit is always next for turkey.
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Grill/Smoke/Roast = Hasty-Bake Gourmet Dual Finish with HB rotisserie and Grill Grates
Smoke = Weber Smokey Mountain 22.5"
Pizza = Blackstone Propane Pizza Oven (Stacy's, but she let's me use it sometimes)
Indoor Cooking = LG Studio 30" gas range
Camp Cooking = Coleman 2 burner white gas stove
Thermometer = FireBoard FBX2 with 2 ambient and 6 meat probes
Thermapen Mk IV = Light blue
Thermapen Mk IV = Black
PID Controller = Fireboard Drive + Auber 20 CFM Fan (FB gen 1 fan)
PID Controller = Fireboard Drive + Fireboard 20 CFM Fan (FB gen 2 fan)
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Wusthof Classic Ikon set: 9" carving knive, 2X 8" Chef's Knife, 7" Santoku and three utility knives
Kamikoto Kuro set: 7" Santoku, 6.5" Nakiri, 5" Utility
Amazing Ribs Brazilian Steak knife set
Favorite wine = whatever is currently in the wine rack
Favorite beer = Sam Adams Boston Lager or Shiner Bock
Favorite whisky = Lagavulin Distiller's Edition 16 year old single malt
Best Cookbooks - Meathead's "The Science of Great Barbecue and Grilling", Chris Lilly's "Big Bob Gibson's BBQ Book", Aaron Franklin's "Franklin BBQ"
Cookbooks to check out - Raichlen's "Brisket Chronicles" and anything by Adam Perry Lang.
Current fanboy cookbook - "Chasing Smoke: Cooking Over Fire Around the Levant"
Some Posts in Pitmaster to check out:
Eric's Brisket Method
Eric's Method for Drunken Texas Beans
Stacy's Bouef Bourguignon
Eric's Smoked Texas Chili
Rancho Gordo Beans and Bean Club
Troutman's Ribs - Step By Step Primer
Grilled Pork Chops: Harissa Marinade
Light My (Hasty Bake) Fire
Eric
texastweeter have you ever had anyone complain that the turkey was gamey, or otherwise not like it?
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Sounds like to me, ya ought to go turkey hunting. That’ll be the real heritage of turkeys, except don’ take any blind tasters hunting, cuz ya don’ know what they might end up shooting.
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EdF Not "gamey at all! Much smaller breast. Very lean! Not injected, so need to be careful of dry, but taste great!!!
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ecowper, I made two heritage turkeys for Thanksgiving back in 2014. They were delicious: juicy and not gamey. See my summary post here: https://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/fo...5654#post35654
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I have cooked local farm raised turkeys before, picked up the day before Thanksgiving. Even those are much better than store bought turkey. Now you have me thinking about doing heritage bird.
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I've done a half dozen or more "artisinal" / "heritage" / "locally and properly raised" turkeys. The heritage does matter in terms of flavor, and properly raised matters more. I very much prefer them to store-bought, though a kosher store bought can be pretty good as well. It's more expensive, but hey, Thanksgiving is a festival, and should be treated that way. Best to get it fresh if you can, but frozen is still superior. Flavor, Man, flavor.
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