I've got a point curing now. This Saturday I plan on applying rub and smoking unil IT is 150F or so then placing into the sous vide cooker. My questions are smoke first then sous vide or the opposite? Also what final IT should I shoot for? I've seen ranges from 165F to 200F+.
Goal is montreal smoked meat sandwich. Any suggestions are appreciated.
I find sous vide then smoke is better for me. The right amount of time-temperature in the water will tenderize, whether you are pulling or slicing may change your target temperature.
I've never cooked a point, they're rarer then hen's teeth around here, so I have to settle for prime flat. (poor me) I've been smoking to 150, bagging and refrigerating overnight and finally sous vide at 155 for 36 hours. Juicy and classic texture. Leftovers refrigerated and then sliced thin on an electric slicer make dyno-mite sammiches.
I’m a sous vide and then smoke person. I have been using the 155 degree sous vide temp that Kenji recommended for 36 hours on average. I then cool in fridge and then smoke from cold. I shoot for a minimum of 165 but if other things get in the way like other guests arriving late or something else isn’t done yet, going higher doesn’t seem to hurt the brisket.
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Tenderloin is way different from brisket, NukeGuy . As the sous-vide experts say, time is tenderness. When you start with a tender piece, it doesn't have to stay in the hot tub as long as a tougher piece of meat.
Brisket is tough. 155 for 30 hours will work. So will 135 for 52-72 hours. The SV step needs time to break down all that collagen into gelatin at low temperatures. Straight smoke roast accomplishes the tenderness in 8-14 hrs depending on temp. Can do the same tenderization in ~60-80 minutes in a pressure cooker (around 250F).
Initial smoke has some benefit but the post smoke from chilled is absolutely required for a good result.
Tenderloin is already tender and has little connective tissue so with SV you only really need to get it to the desired temperature.
Smoke-SV-Smoke has been my best results but I’m also happy with SV-Smoke. The post SV smoke in addition to introducing more smoke also firms up the bark.
Time and temp would depend on what texture you are shoot. I like 155 for 30ish hours for "typical" brisket texture.
Using a brisket point I have also done smoked, sous vide, burnt ends which were amazing. After sous vide, I cubed it, mixed with sauce and then cooked for another 1-2 hrs.
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Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center (WSCGC) aka Mr. Fancypants
Pit Barrel Cooker (which rocks), named Pretty Baby
Weber Summit S650 Gas Grill, named Hot 'n Fast (used mostly for searing and griddling)
Weber Kettle Premium 22" named Kettle Kid, eager to horn in with more cooks in the future
Camp Chef Somerset IV 4-burner outdoor gas range named AfterBurner due to its 30kBTU burners
Adrenaline BBQ Company Gear:
SnS Low Profile, DnG, and Large Charcoal Basket, for WSCGC
SnS Deluxe for 22" Kettle
Elevated SS Rack for WSCGC
SS Rack for DnG
Cast Iron Griddle
Grill Grate for SnS
Grill Grates: five 17.375 sections (retired to storage)
Grill Grates: six 19.25 panels for exact fit for Summit S650
gasser
Grill Grates for 22" Kettle
2 Grill Grate Griddles
Steelmade Griddle for Summit gas grill
Fireboard Gear:
Extreme BBQ Thermometer Package
Additional control unit
Additional probes: Competition Probes 1" (3) and 4" (1), 3 additional Ambient Probes. 1 additional Food Probe
2 Driver Cables
Pit Viper Fan (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
Pit Viper Fan new design (to pair with Fireboard Fan Driver Cable)
Thermoworks Gear:
Thermapen MK4 (pink)
Thermapen Classic (pink too)
Thermoworks MK4 orange
Temp Test 2 Smart Thermometer
Extra Big and Loud Timer
Timestick Trio
Maverick ET 73 a little workhorse with limited range
Maverick ET 733
Maverick (Ivation) ET 732
Grill Pinz
Vortex (two of them)
18" drip pan for WSCGC
Ceramic Spacers for WSCGC in Kamado Mode: 2 sets each 1/2", 1", 2". The 2" spacers work best with the 18" drip pan. The 1+1/2 inch spacers work best with the 14 inch cake pan.
Two Joule Sous Vide devices
3 Lipavi Sous Vide Tubs with Lids: 12, 18 and 26 quarts
Avid Armor Ultra Pro V32 Chamber Sealer
Instant Pot 6 Quart Electric Pressure Cooker
Instant Pot 10 Quart Electric Pressure Cooker
Charcoal Companion TurboQue
A-Maze-N tube 12 inch tube smoker accessory for use with pellets
BBQ Dragon and Dragon Chimney
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That looks perfect! I did a TX style whole packer a few weekends ago. Kept it simple... Salt and Pepper and into a SV bag. If I remember correctly (I don't have my notes with me) I did 140 degrees for about 55 hours. Then ice bath to quick cool and chilled in the fridge overnight. Next morning it went on the Weber 22" kettle (with the Slow N Sear). Kept the kettle around 240 and threw on a couple of chunks of post oak and brought the brisket up to about 135 degrees.
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