For the past year and a half, my wife has been making a no-knead bread about twice a week. She just got a Kitchenaid Stand Mixer for Mothers Day. Due to arthritis in her hands, she would like to try a bread recipe using the dough hook that came with the mixer. Does anyone have a recipe that calls for using a mixer and dough hook? Or any recommendations on how to adjust a no-knead recipe to use the hook?
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Here are a couple:
But I use mine regularly in place of hand kneading in other bread recipes. Just watch the dough texture. DISCLAIMER: Not a bread expert! -
You probably already know this but just wanted to mention it.
When mixing the flour, salt and yeast with the water in the mixer bowl, do not use the dough hook, use the paddle instead. Only use the dough hook for the kneading after it has completed its first rise and is actual dough.Comment
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Sorry Don, but I respectfully have to disagree. I use the paddle to mix the dry ingredients and the hook when I add liquids. At King Arthur Flour, they don't even bother with the paddle for most bread recipes. If you watch videos by most of the big names in baking, they only use the
hook.
Edit to add that what matters is what works for you, so if you are happy with your method, I'm not suggesting that you change.
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RonB I follow the King Arthur videos and lesson too. However, what I have found, at least when I do it, is that with just using the dough hook you can get pockets of flour that doesn’t get properly hydrated. When you bake, you can get little hard pockets of flour with the consistency of marbles. If you use the paddle first for all mixing those never happen.
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I've used the hook for mixing. It works ok.The paddle is better, but the hook will work and I'm lazy.
Here's what I do:
1) measure out ingredients. Important - you want the dough temp to be about 75F or so. Given that your flour etc is likely cooler, you want your water to be about 90F. Not too hot or you kill the yeast. I grab water, measure it out and microwave it in 10-15 sec increments, checking with my Thermopop.
2) Dump them in kitchenaid bowl.
3) I use the hook and start it mixing on low or 2. If the recipe says to knead for, say, 8 minutes, I start looking at 5. The dough should become a pretty cohesive mass.
4) dump it all into a bowl that I've sprayed with Pam and let rise. I have a proofing box but if you don't, just cover it and put it somewhere warm.
Now... I fold the dough periodically as it goes through bulk ferment. Ken Forkish's video is a great How To on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQHuWDEo3SA. I do NOT punch down and let it re-rise. After it's done with bulk, I dump the dough out on a floured surface, preshape and then shape and put it in a basket to rise again (or in a bread pan).
Do note that he's doing a double batch of dough so uses a 12 quart cambro tub. I don't know how easy or hard this would beLast edited by rickgregory; May 7, 2021, 12:47 PM.Comment
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jlazar Also, if she does want to fold or can't, then let the dough just rise and do what Donw mentions, use the dough hook to knead for a few minutes, then rise a second time.
The purpose of the folding is to build strength/gluten development. The first mixing wont do that by itself. So if she doesnt fold, she'll need that second kneading and then you definitely want to use the hook.Last edited by rickgregory; May 7, 2021, 01:23 PM.
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King Arthur Flour is my go to when looking for baking recipes, but there are lots of well known bakers that have excellent tutorials.
If your wife wants a few recipes to choose from, there are ~ 1100 at KA:
https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/sea...d#recipe_index
If your wife clicks on "Learn" at the top of the page, it will take her to some helpful videos.
And they have a Hotline that you can call and ask questions.Last edited by RonB; May 7, 2021, 01:52 PM.Comment
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Totally second the KA recommendation. The Back of the Bag Oatmeal bread is a great sandwich loaf: https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/rec...l-bread-recipe
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I use the dough hook to do all the bread and dough recipes I've tried that require kneading. That includes pizza dough, etc. I don't think we've even used the paddle for much of anything - we are either using the wire beater, or the dough hook. I think your wife is safe using it for about any bread recipe aside from no-knead.Comment
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This one uses the paddle and the hook. It is for ciabatta bread, which is a high hydration dough, as is no-knead:
(344) That's alotta Ciabatta! Start to Finish. - YouTube
Here's a good video on handling high hydration dough:
(344) 5 Tips: Working With High-Hydration Dough - YouTubeComment
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I use a dough hook on my kitchen aid, and have developed a way with hand pain, weakness and spasms , to do the following folds. It is my KA that does all the work that otherwise would keep me from making bread. Willing to answer questions. Also, I’m not an expert of any sort. Edited to add, the only real difference in majority of recipes used in a stand mixer vs hand mixed, is y0u need to figure the water temp 10 degrees less from the extra friction heat caused by a stand mixer over hand mixedLast edited by Richard Chrz; May 7, 2021, 03:00 PM.Comment
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Bull. Your loaves are spectacular. 🥖Originally posted by Richard Chrz View PostLast edited by rickgregory; May 7, 2021, 03:29 PM.Comment
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While I truly appreciate the kind words, and I do! I have only been making bread for less then 2 years, and have only pursued a few various loaves so far. I like to think the expert has 10,000 hours of this. I also make good q, but I’m not a pitmaster, I’m a guy that has somewhat figured out the Weber kettle and how to set it up for what I want. But no expert.Last edited by Richard Chrz; May 7, 2021, 07:19 PM.
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Thanks for all the advice. My wife is still experimenting with what works best for her. This was her second attempt today using the dough hook.
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This is her no-knead bread which she does without a mixer,
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and her Cinnamon-Raisin Bread, also without a mixer.
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Here is one that I like... it takes sourdough starter...
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So these two loaves are from a KA dough hook for the autolyse mixing, adding the levain, and adding salt, after that I do a few folds by hand, but I do it lay out on aboard, so it is literally stretch it out a bit, and then lightly fold it back together, I can not stretch and fold in a cambro. Plus, I don’t think that is healthy for the dough either.
Last edited by Richard Chrz; May 8, 2021, 09:57 AM.Comment
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Here is my Challah recipe:
3.25 cups of flour
1 tbs yeast
¼ cup sugar
1.25 (1 heaping) teaspoon salt
3 large eggs
½ stick of butter
½ cup of water
1 tbs water
sesame seeds (optional)
Put all the dry ingredients in the mixer bowl of a stand mixer with the dough kneading attachment. Run on low for a minute to combine the ingredients.
Put the butter in the 2 cup pyrex measuring cup. Microwave on 50% power (Power level 5) for 1 to 1.5 minutes.
Separate the yolk from one egg, save the white. Add 1 tbs of water to the white. Put the yolk and the other two eggs in the measuring cup with the melted butter and add ½ cup of water. Stir to combine.
Pour into the mixing bowl and run the mixer on low until the dough forms a ball and then let it run another five minutes.
Lightly oil a large bowl. Form the dough into a ball and put in the bowl, turning it to coat it with oil. Cover and let rise until it is doubled in size, 1 to 2 hours. Punch down and let rise again until it’s doubled in size.
Punch down again. Separate the dough into as many equal parts as you want braids. Roll the dough into ropes and braid it. Cover and let rise for 1 hour. Brush with the egg white mixture. Sprinkle with sesame seeds if desired.
Bake in a 375F oven until golden, about 35 minutes.
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