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Nathan Myhrvold: Smoke+Sous Vide?

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  • PenskeFile
    Former Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 60
    • Georgetown, TX

    Nathan Myhrvold: Smoke+Sous Vide?

    I was just reading an article in the Austin American Statesman about Nathan Myhrvold, the renowned chef and author of the $500, 2,000+ page tome Modernist Cuisine.

    They linked to an article on "the stall" which reaches the same conclusions as what our own experts here at AmazingRibs found.

    What really caught my eye however was this section at the end of the article:
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________
    Sous vide cooking is, in our opinion, by far the best way to achieve the perfect cooking rate necessary for great barbecue. We barbecued in two distinct steps: smoking to impart the smoke flavor, followed by sous vide cooking to achieve the optimum texture and doneness.
    Smoking before a long sous vide cooking step has the advantage of proteins remaining intact and able to react readily with smoke. Smoked food continues to change while being cooked sous vide: its pellicle darkens, the rind becomes firmer, and the smoky flavor mellows.
    The alternative, of course, is to smoke the food after cooking it sous vide. This also works well, but a longer smoking time is required to develop a robust smoked flavor and appearance. This is because precooking denatures a large fraction of the proteins in a cut of meat or a piece of seafood, which leaves the flesh less reactive to the smoke.

    __________________________________________________ ________________________________

    Has anyone here tried this or had barbecue prepare this way? I've seen some talk here about Sous vide, but not in conjunction with a separate smoke.

    Given Myhrvold's reputation, I'm curious if he's really on to something here.



  • PenskeFile
    Former Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 60
    • Georgetown, TX

    #2
    Statesman article here

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    • Ernest
      Founding Member
      • Jul 2014
      • 3419
      • Dallas, Texas
      • Pit Barrel Cooker AKA The Chicken Whisperer, WSM 14.5 AKA Smokey, WSM 22.5 AKA Big Worm, Weber Performer Platinum. KARUBECUE

      #3
      I posted a sous vide then smoked ribs thread here somewhere. Works really well

      http://pitmaster.amazingribs.com/for...dness-gracious

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      • Breadhead
        Banned Former Member
        • Jul 2014
        • 0

        #4
        Nathan Myhrvold's, Modernist Cuisine, is an awesome guide to cooking. My Son bought me that set of beautiful books when they first came out for a Christmas present. I'll reference that information tonight when I get home.

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        • David C
          Founding Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 99
          • Bay Area, California
          • Cookers:
            Memphis Advantage w. Searing insert option
            Bradley 6-rack digital
            Thermal bath for sous vide, pressure cooker, etc.

            Time & Temp:
            iGrill2 & iGrill wireless thermometers used with iPhone 5
            Drawer full of various Maverick models

            BBQ Interests:
            Love smoking ribs, pulled pork, salmon, sablefish, rib roasts, sausages, lox, beef ribs, and brisket when I can -- strictly for friends, fun, etc.

            Websites:
            http://www.cardinalphoto.com
            http://www.sousvide.org

          #5
          If you're willing to put in the extra work (and time) the combo can be amazing. See the thread Ernest mentioned for one of the prior discussions we had on this topic. Personally, while I've been experimenting with sous-vide + smoke for years, I normally don't do my 'cue that way, as I've decided I like the traditional "bite" that dry-cooked ribs have (for example) more than the softer texture an initial sous-vide cook gives you. I do use Meathead's reverse sear when cooking sous-vide, though (http://sousvide.org)

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          • PenskeFile
            Former Member
            • Nov 2014
            • 60
            • Georgetown, TX

            #6
            Any idea how brisket turns out with this method? Is it even possible? I had no idea it took so long to complete the sous vide phase.

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            • Breadhead
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              Sous vide is like a loooog low and slow cook... It's a lot of waiting but very little work. Planning is the key.
          • Ernest
            Founding Member
            • Jul 2014
            • 3419
            • Dallas, Texas
            • Pit Barrel Cooker AKA The Chicken Whisperer, WSM 14.5 AKA Smokey, WSM 22.5 AKA Big Worm, Weber Performer Platinum. KARUBECUE

            #7
            My best beef short ribs were done sous vide. I bet you brisket should be very possible.

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