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  • Huskee
    Pit Boss/Manager
    • May 2014
    • 14077
    • central MI, USA
    • Follow me on Instagram, huskeesbarbecue

      Want a free bottle of whiskey? Check out my link to Flaviar.com, you join with it, we both get a $50 bottle free.

      Smokers / Grills
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      • PBC
      • Grilla Silverbac pellet grill
      • Slow 'N Sear Deluxe Kamado (SnSK)
      • Dyna-Glo XL Premium dual chamber charcoal grill
      • Weber 22" Original Kettle Premium (copper)
      • Weber 26" Original Kettle Premium (black)
      • Weber Jumbo Joe Gold (18.5")
      • Weber Smokey Joe Silver (14.5")
      • Brinkmann cabinet charcoal smoker (repurposed)

      Thermometers
      • (3) Maverick XR-50: 4-probe Wireless Thermometers
      • (7) Maverick ET-732s
      • (1) Maverick ET-735 Bluetooth (in box)
      • (1) Smoke by ThermoWorks
      • (1) Signals by ThermoWorks
      • Thermapen MkII, orange
      • ThermoPop, yellow
      • ThermoWorks ChefAlarm
      • Morpilot 6-probe wireless
      • ThermoWorks Infrared IRK2
      • ThermoWorks fridge & freezer therms as well

      Accessories
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      • Anova Bluetooth SV
      • Kitchen Aide mixer & meat grinder attachment
      • Kindling Cracker King (XL)
      • BBQ Dragon
      • Weber full & half chimneys, Char-Broil Half Time chimney
      • Weber grill topper
      • Slow 'N Sear Original, XL, and SnS Charcoal Basket (for Jumbo Joe)
      • Drip 'N Griddle Pan, 22' Easy Spin Grate, and Elevated Cooking grate, by ABCbarbecue
      • Pittsburgh Digital Moisture Meter

      Beverages
      • Favorite summer beer: Leinenkugels Summer & Grapefruit Shandy, Hamm's, Michelob Ultra Pure Gold
      • Fav other beer: DAB, Sam Adams regular, Third Shift amber or Coors Batch 19, Stella Artois
      • Fav cheap beers: Pabst, High Life, Hamm's & Stroh's
      • Most favorite beer: The one in your fridge
      • Wine: Red- big, bold, tannic & peppery- Petite Sirah, Zinfandel, Cabernet Sauv, Sangiovese, Syrah, etc
      • Whiskey: Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, E.H. Taylor, Blanton's, Old Forester 1870, Elijah Craig, Basil Hayden's. Neat please.
      • Scotch: Current favorite- The Arran (anything by them), Glenmorangie 12yr Lasanta, sherry cask finished. The Balvenie Double Wood, also like Oban 18yr, and The Glenlivet Nadurra (Oloroso sherry cask finished) among others. Neat please.

      About me
      Real name: Aaron
      Location: Farwell, Michigan- near Clare. (dead center of lower peninsula)

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    Why we don't talk about what's "healthy" here (joke)

    I found this to be well put and shows our current understanding of health & nutrition.


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  • Henrik
    Founding Member - Moderator Emeritus
    • Jul 2014
    • 3796
    • Stockholm, Sweden

    #2
    Now that's a good summary right there, highlighting the silliness of those too far entrenched in either camps. I guess there's a lot of truth to the "Life of Brian" movie: always look on the bright side of life :-)

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    • JimLinebarger
      JimLinebarger commented
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      Look on the bright side of life, but never look directly into it. Will burn your retina's.
  • grantgallagher
    Club Member
    • Feb 2018
    • 800
    • NJ

    #3
    Its going to be interesting in the future when we better understand the gut microbiome and individual genetics and everyone will have to admit that different balances for nutrition can be perfectly suited to one person and terrible for another.

    Comment


    • Huskee
      Huskee commented
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      Yup!
  • RonB
    Club Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 11233
    • Near Richmond VA
    • Weber Performer Deluxe
      SNS
      Pizza insert
      Rotisserie
      Smokenator 1000
      Cookshack Smokette Elite
      2 Thermapens
      Chefalarm
      Dot
      lots of probes.
      CyberQ

    #4
    Yea...

    And at one time coffee was bad for you, now - not so much.
    Coconut oil was bad for you, but now you find it on the health food shelf.
    Eggs went from bad to good to ok, but no more than four a week.

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    • Buck Flicks
      Buck Flicks commented
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      Eggs are like sugar. It's hard to tell what is truth and what is fabricated "data" from the industry. Years ago, the sugar industry ran the "fat is bad" campaign so they could sell more "fat-free" items that were full of sugar. Remember Snackwell cookies whose claim to fame was that they were fat free? They also had three times or more the sugar than regular cookies had. It was really sugar all along that was the main perpetrator of the "obesity epidemic."
  • Huskee
    Pit Boss/Manager
    • May 2014
    • 14077
    • central MI, USA
    • Follow me on Instagram, huskeesbarbecue

      Want a free bottle of whiskey? Check out my link to Flaviar.com, you join with it, we both get a $50 bottle free.

      Smokers / Grills
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      • PBC
      • Grilla Silverbac pellet grill
      • Slow 'N Sear Deluxe Kamado (SnSK)
      • Dyna-Glo XL Premium dual chamber charcoal grill
      • Weber 22" Original Kettle Premium (copper)
      • Weber 26" Original Kettle Premium (black)
      • Weber Jumbo Joe Gold (18.5")
      • Weber Smokey Joe Silver (14.5")
      • Brinkmann cabinet charcoal smoker (repurposed)

      Thermometers
      • (3) Maverick XR-50: 4-probe Wireless Thermometers
      • (7) Maverick ET-732s
      • (1) Maverick ET-735 Bluetooth (in box)
      • (1) Smoke by ThermoWorks
      • (1) Signals by ThermoWorks
      • Thermapen MkII, orange
      • ThermoPop, yellow
      • ThermoWorks ChefAlarm
      • Morpilot 6-probe wireless
      • ThermoWorks Infrared IRK2
      • ThermoWorks fridge & freezer therms as well

      Accessories
      • Instant Pot 6qt
      • Anova Bluetooth SV
      • Kitchen Aide mixer & meat grinder attachment
      • Kindling Cracker King (XL)
      • BBQ Dragon
      • Weber full & half chimneys, Char-Broil Half Time chimney
      • Weber grill topper
      • Slow 'N Sear Original, XL, and SnS Charcoal Basket (for Jumbo Joe)
      • Drip 'N Griddle Pan, 22' Easy Spin Grate, and Elevated Cooking grate, by ABCbarbecue
      • Pittsburgh Digital Moisture Meter

      Beverages
      • Favorite summer beer: Leinenkugels Summer & Grapefruit Shandy, Hamm's, Michelob Ultra Pure Gold
      • Fav other beer: DAB, Sam Adams regular, Third Shift amber or Coors Batch 19, Stella Artois
      • Fav cheap beers: Pabst, High Life, Hamm's & Stroh's
      • Most favorite beer: The one in your fridge
      • Wine: Red- big, bold, tannic & peppery- Petite Sirah, Zinfandel, Cabernet Sauv, Sangiovese, Syrah, etc
      • Whiskey: Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, E.H. Taylor, Blanton's, Old Forester 1870, Elijah Craig, Basil Hayden's. Neat please.
      • Scotch: Current favorite- The Arran (anything by them), Glenmorangie 12yr Lasanta, sherry cask finished. The Balvenie Double Wood, also like Oban 18yr, and The Glenlivet Nadurra (Oloroso sherry cask finished) among others. Neat please.

      About me
      Real name: Aaron
      Location: Farwell, Michigan- near Clare. (dead center of lower peninsula)

      Occupation:
      • Healthcare- Licensed & Registered Respiratory Therapist (RRT) for MidMichigan Health, a University of Michigan Health System.

    #5
    Yeah, and eating an entire pizza in one sitting went from bad for you to.. well it's still bad. But I'm holding out hope...

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    • HawkerXP
      HawkerXP commented
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      +1

    • surfdog
      surfdog commented
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      I don't think I could eat an entire pizza. O_o
      I use a method that I learned from Tommy Lasorda many years ago...cut it into quarters. Now, four slices of pizza I can eat.
  • Willard
    Club Member
    • Apr 2018
    • 826
    • Leesburg, Fl.

    #6
    And don't forget the margarine vs butter argument. And now recently no amount of alcohol is good for you.

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    • Willard
      Willard commented
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      HawkerXP Correct! That is sound reasoning. It's divide and conquer. That adds up to 2. (We may not live to 100, huh?)

    • Henrik
      Henrik commented
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      HawkerXP, I like your doctor, and I like your math even better :-)

    • EdF
      EdF commented
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      That's what we call "applied math".
  • smokin fool
    Club Member
    • Apr 2019
    • 934
    • Mississauga, Ont

    #7
    If its any consolation I am a good boy Mon-Fri.
    Going to a 9:30 spin class this morning and salad for lunch....with the left over pulled pork I smoked yesterday, its a holiday Mon up here so still weekend in my world....

    Comment

    • klflowers
      Club Member
      • Sep 2015
      • 2429
      • Tennessee

      #8
      You got to die from something. May as well be good food.

      Comment


      • FireMan
        FireMan commented
        Editing a comment
        RonB Seinfeld had a joke that said almost what you said word for word.

      • Dan Deter
        Dan Deter commented
        Editing a comment
        This. Completely this. While I would like to live longer than my great-great-aunt did, I don't want to be miserable doing it. I'd much rather enjoy my meals and my cooking than live past 113.

        (I DO try to be healthy in what I eat and exercise and life choices, but there's a limit...)

      • RonB
        RonB commented
        Editing a comment
        FireMan - that may be where I heard it??
    • Potkettleblack
      Club Member
      • Jun 2016
      • 1832
      • Chicago, IL
      • Grill: Grilla Original / Weber Genesis EP-330
        Thermometers: Thermapen / iGrill 2 / Fireboard
        For Smoke: Chunks / Pellet Tube / Mo Pouch
        Sous Vide: Joule / Nomiku WiFi
        Disqus: Le Chef - (something something something)

      #9
      Pretty much that. Pick a tribe. I'm guilty. I know it.

      Ultimately, you're gonna die someday, unless you're Ray Kurzweil and you ascend to the singularity...

      My most popular tweet (aside from that one shady political one) is that there are only three metrics that should matter in any study of health or nutrition.

      1- Changes to All Cause Mortality
      2- Changes to Life Expectancy
      3- Change to Quality of Life Years

      I don't care if something increases your odds for cancer by 10% if it increases your odds of dying from anything by 30%.

      I don't care if something buys me ten more minutes of life. I want to know some change will buy me months or years.

      And if something will give me more years, but they will be unpleasant years, I don't really want them.

      If you can't explain your results in those terms, you don't really have a useful result.

      We know a lot about nutrition. We know nothing about nutrition. This is largely by design. We know a lot about genes, but we aren't all tested young and told what it means. We know some things about the gut biome, but we don't know really anything about improving it, or the impact of improvements (beyond fecal transplant... seriously... that's a thing, and a proven therapy).

      To folks who think we will have definitive answers on health and nutrition in your lifetime, you're the guy on the left, I'm the guy on the right.
      Attached Files

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      • FireMan
        Charter Member
        • Jul 2015
        • 6783
        • Bottom of Winnebago

        #10
        The longer you live the more you find that everything comes full circle. In my life coffee is winning 3 to 2.

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        • Mudkat
          Club Member
          • Feb 2017
          • 2125
          • At a river near me, MD
          • Weber Smokey Mountain 14.5"
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            Weber 22 Grill Grates
            Home Built 55 Gallon Ugly Drum Smoker - "MUDS"

          #11
          I remember back in the day, my doctor smoked during my appointments. I think it was good for you then. 😁

          Comment


          • klflowers
            klflowers commented
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            Probably unfiltered.

          • surfdog
            surfdog commented
            Editing a comment
            My ex's grandmother was PRESCRIBED cigarettes...when she was pregnant no less. LOL Don't recall the exact reason for that.
            She was also advised to drink Guinness now & them...seeing as she was a bit low on iron. (Turns out Guinness is also a bit low on iron. LOL But higher in B vitamins.)

          • Mudkat
            Mudkat commented
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            Wow! surfdog
        • jgreen
          Charter Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 2500
          • Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
          • Cookers:
            Broil King XL
            Broil King Smoke
            Weber Kettle 26
            Grilla Pellet smoker
            Capital 40 natural gas
            Napoleon Pro 22 kettle

            Thermometer:
            Maverick 733
            Thermapen (ok..4 thermapens)
            Thermo works DOT (or two)
            Fireboard (probably my favourite)
            Thermworks Smoke (or two)

            Accessories:
            SnS (original, plus and XL)
            DnG pans, 6 or 7 of these
            Vortex
            Grillgrates
            and, maybe some other toys as well

          #12
          Simple solution appears to be to eat whatever appeals to you. I tend to do that anyway.

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          • Nate
            Charter Member
            • Apr 2015
            • 3711
            • Pawnee, Indiana
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              ~Weber Q1000


              THERMOMETERS
              ~Thermoworks Thermapen MX4
              ~Thermoworks Thermapen
              ~Thermoworks ThermoPop
              ~Thermoworks ChefAlarm TX-1100-XX (Orange and black)
              ~Thermoworks DOT TX-1200-XX (Black)
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            #13
            This reminds me of some Lewis Black material:

            NSFW or people who are offended by colorful language.

            His thoughts on Milk

            His thoughts on Eggs, Nyquil, and Sunscreen

            His thoughts on Water

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            • CaptainMike
              Club Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 2171
              • The Great State of Jefferson
              • Weber Summit Charcoal Grill w/SnS and DnG (Spartacus)
                Old school big'ol Traeger w/Pro controller (Big Tex)
                2 W22's w/SnS, DnG (1 black, 1 copper) (Minions 1 and 2)
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                20 x 30 Santa Maria grill (Maria, duh)
                Bradley cabinet smoker (Pepper Gomez)
                36" Blackstone griddle (The Black Beauty)
                Fireboard
                Thermoworks Smoke and Thermapen.

              #14
              Yup, I bet the stress and frustration of trying to maintain a diet, with all of their restrictions and unavoidable failures, is worse for you than simply enjoying what you eat. If it makes you feel good, do it; if it makes you feel like crap, don't do it.

              As Blue Oyster Cult sang: "Don't Fear The Reaper". I always thought that song needed more cowbell.
              Last edited by CaptainMike; May 20th, 2019, 10:06 AM.

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              • ofelles
                Club Member
                • Jun 2018
                • 1131
                • Brentwood CA
                • Yoder YS640 on Comp cart
                  Klose 20x42 Charcoal Grill
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                  VacMaster Pro 380 sealer
                  Thermoworks Signal
                  Thermoworks Dot
                  Thermopen Mk4

                #15
                I have a t-shirt that says "Praise the Lard" and wear it often

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